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Wallabies prevail over Bok in Brisbane thriller

Wallabies prevail over Bok in Brisbane thriller

Michael Cheika made some significant Wallaby changes for this test match in the hope it would spark a Wallaby performance that was off the pace against an obviously high quality All Black team.  What he wouldn’t have been banking on was to lose perhaps his three most significant players in the days prior to this Springbok test.  If losing David Pocock and Israel Folau earlier in the week wasn’t bad enough, to lose Adam Coleman on the day of the game was a considerable body blow.

Meanwhile the Boks had made some equally significant changes to their starting side but had a much more settled lead in to kick off. With rain falling for most of the day and clearing just prior to game start, the challenge was certainly in front of an Aussie team wanting to avoid dropping to their lowest ever World Ranking.

First Half:

The first attacking foray by the Wallabies saw Matt Toomua at first receiver with Beale floating out wide. Kurtley was able to release Peter Samu who found Hodge with space on the wing. Lukhan Tui supported well by wrapping outside and the Wallabies were pressuring the Bok line early. Consistent phase play and some Will Genia snipes soon saw Michael Hooper drive over for yet another test try. 7-0

The first scrum battle came in the 7th minute resulting in the Wallabies ruled to have collapsed and a penalty awarded to the visitors. Jantjies kicked it from about 42m to close the gap to just four. 7-3

Repeated infringements from the Wallabies saw the Boks opting for lineouts and mauls to keep the pressure on the home team. The Wallabies couldn’t keep the well drilled Boks out for too much longer and hooker, Bongi Mbonambi was the scorer of the anticipated try. With the Jantjies kick successful the Boks took the lead 7-10.

Faf de Klerk was starting to impose himself and dictate how he wanted to play the game. A smart kick gave them quality territory and soon enough it was his cut-out pass to winger Makazole Mapimpi enabling him to cross out wide. The missed kick put the score at 7 -15.

The Wallabies hit the attack hard in reply and Jack Maddocks looked to be in only to be tackled into touch by Jesse Kriel short of the line. Any sense that the Boks would play it safe soon evaporated when a bizarrely wild throw went well over the lineout and allowed Toomua to scoop up the ball and score under the posts. 14-15 with the kick.

Tatafu Polota-Nau was noticeably struggling to keep up with the play and was pulled early with the rookie Folau Fainga’a taking his spot. Meanwhile the Boks also changed their hooker yet had the luxury of bringing on the world’s best hooker in Malcolm Marx.

Another Scrum penalty by the Wallabies, with Allan Alaalatoa struggling to hold his form, and Jantjies kicked an easy one. 14-18

With half time close the Wallabies would have one final say as they claimed their own penalty about 54m out. As we have got used to up here, up stepped Reece Hodge to smash it into Caxton Street and close the gap to one at the break with the score sitting at 17-18.

It was a half dominated by scrappy Wallaby handling, poor discipline, Glen Jackson led scrum frustrations and a patient and precise Springbok outfit.

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Matt Toomua scores a crucial try for the Wallabies

Second Half:

A good Wallaby scrum in 42nd minute was a positive sign of things to come and Genia was off on a run down the blind. His kick and chase gave the Aussies just the start they wanted. Another strong Wallaby scrum set them on attack and it was only a spilled Rob Simmons’ ball that prevented any scoring. It was business as usual though with a scrum penalty relieving the pressure and the Boks were able to clear.

Another dodgy throw gave Genia ball at the back and the Wallabies were on attack again. This time they held the ball, but the Boks managed to hold them up over the line. The 5m scrum saw the appearance of Taniela Tupou and a Wallaby attacking scrum.

The Wallabies were not able to take any points and we then entered a period of bizarre play by both teams with crazy passes, strange leaves and dodgy kicks. It made sense that when the Aussies finally received a penalty they settled and gave the ball to Toomua to pot the kick. The Wallabies were finally back in front 20-18.

Dropped flyhalf, Bernard Foley would enter the play in the 62nd minute for Jack Maddocks with the shuffle pushing Beale to fullback and Dane Haylett-Petty to wing.

Folau Fainga’a was having a real impact on the game, particularly at the ruck however two crooked lineout throw calls threatened to derail his enthusiasm. He played his part in a dominant scrum soon after, with Tupou besting the Beast, and Toomua kicked the penalty that arose. 23-18.

With minutes to go in the game the Boks were hard on attack and it looked for all money like replacement Francois Louw had scored. Replays showed that Beale knocked it on but so too did Marx and the try was not awarded.

The Wallabies defense was working hard to keep the Boks out and another penalty against the home team gave the Boks one final chance to snatch the game. They took the scrum in front of the posts and, again, the Wallabies’ defense held strong. Birthday boy Bernard Foley snatched an intercept before Genia booted it into the crowd to claim the victory.

The win was Australia’s first since the first test against Ireland and ensured they retained they Mandela Challenge Plate.


The Game Changer

It’s hard to come up with one in a game when the result came down to the wire.  I will suggest that on the back of that strong Wallaby scrum at the start of the 2nd half, and the Genia dash from the base seemed to give the Aussies a mental boost.

The G&GR MOTM

Matt Toomua was the official Player of the Match in an impressive return to the Wallaby starting side. For mine the two scrumhalves were keys to their respective wins with Will Genia being a standout for the Australians.  Kudos to Lukhan Tui for an impactful game and to Fainga’a who was busy throughout.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 23
Tries: Michael Hooper (2′), Matt Toomua (33′)
Conversions: Matt Toomua (3′, 34′)
Penalties: Reece Hodge (40′), Matt Toomua (55′, 69′)
SOUTH AFRICA 18
Tries: Bongi Mbonambi (14′), Makazole Mapimpi (29′)
Conversions: Elton Jantjies (16′)
Penalties: Elton Jantjies (7′, 39′)

Cards

Nil

Crowd

27,849

Photos from Stephen Tremain

 

 

 

 

 

  • Brumby Runner

    Excellent write up Reg. Agree with your summaries on the players as well. Have to say that the Wallabies were looking better in the second half to the first. But again, they showed they have issues trying to score when in the opposition red zone.

  • Parker

    Really well written report. Not just because the result was a welcome relief. Certainly better than the one in the Guardian.
    Rob Simmons must have White Line Blindness. How many times in his test career has he dropped it with the line open?

    • nick51xx

      Nearly as many as Ben Alexander I reckon

      • joy

        Still not many.

    • joy

      Not many.

  • Alan Grouse

    Wallaby Thor saved the day and was immense when he came on. We looked much more stable in the scrums with him packing down

    • sambo6

      yep…if tupou didnt come on when he did, I think we lose that game. He won us at least one penalty that toomua kicked. And probably saved us from the Beast earnings the boks a couple more within kicking distance

    • joy

      I actually thought the run on props contained the SAS long before Thor ran on.

      • Brumby Runner

        It was my impression that Fainga’a made the difference when he came on.

  • Pedro

    No way that second throw was crooked, although the next one was….

    Thanks for the write up.

    • dane

      yep. and the crowd let Glenn Jackson know too after seeing the replay

    • Archie

      To be fair, Wallabies got away with quite a bit this game… including a few neck rolls (both teams did)

  • Adrian

    Pretty ok by me for now.

    They showed guts without Pocock, Coleman, Folau, and Kurandrani/Kerevi.

    I’d start Tuopo next week, and maybe Banks. I’d only select Folau if fully fit. I’d rest TPN, but not drop him (so to speak) and bring in Latu.

    I hope Pocock is fit, but Samu was great.

    I feel sorry for Powell, but they had to leave Genia on, so no complaints from me

    • onlinesideline

      Thor looked like he had L1 L 2 and L3 squashed in Ltogether.
      Poor bugger – he was rocked. Showed grit though.Geezuz.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Leaving Genia on was stupid. We simply have to expose our young halfbacks now, or else Genia will be injured and Powell will get his first decent minutes playing in a RWC knockout match. Cheika has had three years to build halfback depth since the RWC and failed miserably.

      • disqus_NMX

        Cheika being coach or not at the RWC could well have hinged on the result of this game. He wasn’t ever taking Genia off with it this close.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Which is fine if it is just this match. However, as I said, we’ve had all of 2016, all of 2017 and half of 2018 and Powell has had a total of about 20mins in three years.

        • onlinesideline

          his job was on the line mate. This match and argies – both lost he was gone.

      • Adrian

        We had to win the match

      • David Creagh

        A large part of me agrees with you but Genia was playing well so he had to stay on. The issue with game time for the young halves is a.) he has left his run too late and b.) he has stuck by Nick Phipps. It is the same with Hooker, Cheika has brought back TPN. Now TPN is a good player but he is at the end of his career not the start, we need to give the young guys extended exposure at the very least BPA or FF need to start regularly with TPN off the bench. Fly Half is an even worse issue, he has invested so much time and energy in Bernard Foley that there are few options remaining in Australia. If he gets injured or goes into an extended form slump we have to try other options at no minutes notice (like last night).

  • Metootootoo

    I thought that was a great game – not prefect but absorbing. Well done the Wallabies to tough that one out. Genia, Hooper, Tomua and Tupou stood out for various reasons – but no one failed. Good signs.

  • onlinesideline

    That Jaws look-a-like Bokke second rower grinning while the whole Wallaby pack wanted to strangle him after he took out Hooper. That was the creepiest look Ive seen in a long time, verging on dark THB. Im starting to think there has been a little bit of “kissin cousins” going on over the years in Jarpeland.

    • Geoffro

      Reminded me of a blond Will Skelton actually.Doubt he has much of a future in international rugby.Sorry to say but both teams offered little cohesion or game plan and exuded desperation . If the Boks scored at the death to tie the game it would probably been a fitting result.

      • onlinesideline

        A blonde Will Skelton ?? You kidding me ?

        Skelton looks like an overgrown cuddle bear.
        That Bokke looks like an overgrown version of the serial killer in Silence of the Lambs

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeQm5aqrHo

        • sambo6

          The wallaby pack puts the lotion on its skin…..

        • onlinesideline

          lol – mate what a movie – theres some freaks out there – dont know how the cops lead a normal life

    • Archie

      Yeah that was quite a scary look ah mate!! Nightmare stuff

  • Who?

    Much to discuss, but I’m going to keep it simple. Beale. I think he’s out of form. He’s just not himself. I’m not talking about his running or passing game, or his defence… It’s his handling. He’s dropping heaps of pill. It’s something you don’t normally see from him. Wonder if he needs a game or two off, or what it might be? Because it’s not like he’s not trying, it’s just not happening. Whatever it is, I hope – for his sake – that it comes together for him soon, because he doesn’t look like he’s having much fun out there. :-(

    • Adrian

      …. unquote

    • onlinesideline

      Like KRL has said umteen times and I agree, he needs space. Next they’ll try him at half back.

      • Who?

        I agree with that, but the last few games, even in space he’s been dropping the ball. I just wonder if there’s something up? I can’t remember him looking so far from chirpy and happy at any point under Cheika. Hope he’s ok.

        • onlinesideline

          probably because hes taking on the burden of a failing attack and hes too trying hard. He is the go to man. He needs some help OR maybe hes not good enough. Thats always a possibility. Next week will tell alot.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Isn’t it funny how risking upsetting a fragile situation was worth risking bringing on the great an almighty. .. …WHO? Oh Foley………who instantly stiffeld quick attack ball, but luckily the ball bounced into his arms(intercept) and he chose to dive underneath 10 hulking Saffas putting there lives on the line to turn that ball back over. .. . rather than boot it out. LUCKY.. …. Cheika blows my mind sometimes.

        • onlinesideline

          You can sort of thank Tui a bit for that too. He was falling all over the base of the ruck like a Polynesian Sean Fitzpatrick. I even think he went to grab the ball out of Fafs hands, while he was just sitting there on the ground, which unsettled him too.

        • David Creagh

          I suspect that it was a bit like a 1950’s Western movie. Cheika wanted the cavalry to come in at the last minute and save the wagon train justifying Foley’s continued, and unjustly earned, reputation as the “Ice Man”. I always say that he is the Ice Man because he turns to water when the pressure comes on.

        • Who?

          I just found it funny that Faf managed to get intercepted after he’d been an absolute pain in Genia’s backside all night.
          Just thinking about it, when was the last time when BOTH starting halfbacks played the full 80?! I can’t imagine it was anywhere near recently!

        • disqus_NMX

          “I think he would make a great 15.” He had an extended run at Wallabies 15 years ago and was world class. The best rugby he’s ever played was at 15, where he has space and time in broken play to carve up. Another example of Cheika failure through poor selections and putting guys in the wrong position. For me, Beale would always be at 15, or wing at the very least. He’s a ok to good 10 or 12, but he was a genius at 15.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          He was never good under the high ball. He’d drop 2-3 a game even when not under pressure, which is unacceptable.

        • onlinesideline

          That didnt happen every match Sherbet, c’mon now. I remember he actually, eventually, had some great games under the high ball. It was a problem to begin with but didnt he put a lot of practise into that and came up trumps after a while ? I remember him being changed up again just as he was beginning to make that position his.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          From memory it actually went the other way. It wasn’t a huge problem in 2010, but manifested much more in later years. On the spring tour last year he was diabolical under the high ball.

          I actually don’t know why there is much more negativity around his performance at 10. I agree he is out of form relative to where he was, but he had some very good runs where he took it to the line, found a gap and created a break. The first try was set up by Beale and the few times he got good set piece ball in the opposition half he did damage also.

          No perfect by any stretch, but our attack was better than it has been this year (we were scoring more points) despite the lack of good set piece ball.

        • Who?

          I agree that KB didn’t have a bad game, my point was – as you’ve rightly read – he’s just not at his best. I’m glad to read Cheika’s likely to stick with KB and Toomua for the next game. They deserve a shot.
          That said, we scored points, but I don’t know how much can be credited to our inside backs for those points. We kicked two penalties in the second half, a penalty just before half time. We scored a try in the first few minutes off some good ball movement (a couple of forwards threw some great passes to keep the ball alive) and then patient determination at the line. But the other try we scored was pure luck, after Koro had yet another brain fade (cover defence coming across, ball carrier about to get tackled into touch, and you stay on the outside?!). Koro had another shocker, time to start Banks, and bench Naivalu.

        • Custard Taht

          Well at least he would/could kick it out, could/would pass it to other players in support, could/would chime in from deep when on attack, could/would go looking for work.
          Unlike our incumbent 15, who is good under the high ball and nothing else and has shown no improvement in any of his other deficiencies.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          That is a fair point. But I would rather Banks there, anyway.

        • Parker

          And kick goals,including a historic match winner in South Africa. There seem to be some who are are simply prejudicial in their dislike of Beale and ignore the facts of his performance and contribution to Australian rugby.

        • David Creagh

          Or miss them because he chose to play in blades in a quagmire against the Lions. That cost Robbie Deans his job and Australia a second Lions series win.

        • Who?

          If you really think Deans deserved the job and would’ve been retained had KB not missed those two kicks, you don’t remember the mood of the country in the lead up to that series…

        • David Creagh

          True, still a better record than Cheika, and he is still in the job. I think the mood of the country is more anti Cheik than pro Cheik, plus I think the mood would have changed had we beaten the Lions.

          My comment to @Bionicboot:disqus was that, whilst I think that Beale is a good player, he like a number of others (Folau, Foley and Hooper) have their flaws plastered over and their errors conveniently forgotten. As an example people remember Foley’s kick vs the Crusaders in 2014 and the Scotland game in the WC but don’t remember the simple shots at goal that cost us a rare win against the Darkness. Often these mistakes have large and far reaching consequences. What frustrates me about the four players that I am referring to is that they have failed to develop or learn (Beale and Hooper less so), Folau still is a very limited full back and Foley’s skills as a playmaker seem to have regressed.

        • David Creagh

          He fixed that and became quite solid.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Please, go back and watch the spring tour last year again when he played fullback in consecutive matches. It wasn’t pretty.

        • onlinesideline

          Yeah but in fairness, he hadnt played there for years, rushed in and hadnt been focusing on it and new it would only be temporary – it has its affects.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          He played there for his entire period in England.

          I’m not against it being trialled as it would potentially mean we could get three solid defenders in at 10/12/13, say, 10. Toomua, 12. Hodge/Kerevi, 13. Kuridrani.

          But at the same time while I was all for it prior to the spring tour I remain to be convinced that he will be best suited there. I’m all for it being tested though.

        • David Creagh

          Long bow that Kerevi is a “good” defender. Looked out of place against the soap dodgers last year.

        • David Creagh

          Conceded, I forgot that. Out of practice perhaps?

        • David Creagh

          Cheika takes selection advice from Izzy’s missus over anyone else I suspect :-)

          Agree Beale looks great at 15 where he has the opportunity to pick the holes he wants to run into.

        • Parker

          Agreed, but remember the chorus of couch critics who went on about his weakness under the high ball. You still hear it these days despite his considerable improvement.

        • Hoss

          Sorry for late reply mate, I was at tattoo parlour getting replica QC montage on my left calf.

          As Indiana Jones notes – ‘the penantant man kneels before god’

        • onlinesideline

          on the other calve get QC flicking it out the back to no-one

        • Hoss

          Now you’ve done it…….

          Gold.

        • joy

          Right. He is striving to defend his mentor, Cheika and so he should.

        • David Creagh

          Agreed, I think that there a few out there doing that and they are trying too hard. I does say one positive thing for Cheika, there is a lot of loyalty out there for him. I suspect it is only from the Warratahs players though.

        • onlinesideline

          Put another way – there is alot of loyalty out there for him because he has shown a lot of loyalty continually selecting certain players.

          But what has the loyalty achieved ? whats it for ?

          I ddnt think selection loyalty is needed. Maybe loyalty in defending your players to press and public but other than that a coach should give players a decent crack to prove themselves and then call it, if it aint working. Never really heard of selection loyalty before and its proving to be the giant killer of this team.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Of course there is a lot of loyalty there for him. He has protected certain favourites who of course love him, while a lot of those who were not favoured got the message and moved overseas.

          Would there be a lot of loyalty to Cheika if senior players like Fardy, Higgers and Quade, as well as White were still in the squad?

        • onlinesideline

          I know, I agree, but whats the nature of the player loyalty for him ?

          “Because you regularly select me, even though we keep losing, I will be loyal to you when the public starts to demand your dismissal as the coach”

          Its good to respect the coach and play somewhat for the coaching team too but thats where it should end, no ?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          It is a dysfunctional regime headed by a coach bereft of ideas that is being tactically and strategically outplayed by virtually every other tier 1 country and coach.

        • David Creagh

          Yep, you read between the lines correctly.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        He actually got alot of space v the Bokkes. He set some good plays and moves in motion along with Tomoua but they broke down FAAR too often with silly mistakes by most of the wallabies, often not even paying off in adv line gains. … .

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Agreed. .. . keep thinking the same of K Hunt. Hasn’t really been dominant in any of his club or NRC games with lots of the same types of mistakes that Beale looks to be making. .. .. especially tonight.
      (probably nervous hell get the Cooper treatment. .. ..one game and off you go never again. .. bye)

      • David Creagh

        Had one eye on the white lines on the field perhaps ;-P

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Too soon..

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      He’s not playing great, but I say give this combo more time to gel. It was a first run and the 10/12 performed at least as well as 10. Foley, 12. Beale. No point in changing it next week. It was great to see our 10 show done game management skills with some great kicks.

      I agree Beale is out of form though.

      If only next year Quade plays well and Cheika realised that all along the best 10-12-13 was Link’s one of 10. Quade, 12. Toomua, 13. Kuridrani.

    • Custard Taht

      In his defence, the ground was really dewy, the commentary made mention of this……..

      • Human

        They don’t use leather balls anymore. The wet ball should not be an excuse for anyone above U13 these days. The balls are light, synthetic, textured surface, no laces, etc.

        • Dud Roodt

          That’s a bit of a silly comment given there isn’t a ball sport in the word that is effected by weather conditions

      • Who?

        Yeah, but he dropped more than anyone, and he’s been dropping them for a few weeks. I’m not calling for his sacking, just noting he’s not at his best, and hoping he finds a way to get out of whatever funk he’s in and get back to his old ways soon. :-)

  • Gottsy

    Game changer for me was Thor coming on. Imagine telling someone 2 years ago that the wallabies scrum would be rescued by him against the Boks!
    Would love to see Beale and Toomua get more time at 10 and 12. I thought when foley came on at the end it was actually way too disruptive to what they were building the whole game- especially with genia playing that well, I thought they were just starting to wind up. Wraps to Rodda for a good game, and thankfully Simmons didn’t do anything dumb so credit where credit is due there. Thought DHP at full back gave us that bit of security at the back we’ve been missing for a long time, would love to see him there full time

    • Geoffro

      Definitely think Thor was the one who turned the game.Trashed Kitshoff who had been pretty solid up till then and held his end up against a grizzled 100 test veteran.Was interested that a SA rugby site rated him as only a four (sour grapes what ?)

      • Keith Butler

        One reason why he needs to be in the run on 15. All very well getting the better of Kitsoff who’d played 50 mins. Can he cut it for 60 mins of test match intensity. I hope he can.

    • servo

      I still think Beale is more comfortable at 12 than 10. In my view that would’ve been the better combo.

  • onlinesideline

    mate I would be very surprised. One of the players came over and patted him on the back of the head after the whistle. He nearly passed out.

    • joy

      He’s young with a low pain threshold. Give him time.

      • onlinesideline

        Dunno – I’d say he has a high pain threshold. Most blokes would have been stretched off. He was out. He got up, played on, tackled and even packed down again.

        • joy

          Don’t agree. He’s been injured before and symptoms magically disappeared later. He can be comforted by the thought that the Beast may be a worse off than he will be tomorrow. Shit, that’s today.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Haha that’s true. .. ..

  • sambo6

    I think that game proves to me that we have the cattle. But not the coaching. We won through a few individual moments from key players (toomua diving on a loose ball, Tupou beasting the Beast). Im pleased we wont, but I was trying to be objective when watching the game, and we lacked cohesion and structure in both attack and in defense, both in tight exchanges and out wide. For example, we looked like a total shambles when they scored their pushover try from the lineout, the expression ‘headless chooks’ popped into my head.

    Do we have the cattle to beat the AB’s. nup, probably not. But with a strong coaching team we have the cattle to beat everyone else pretty consistently in my mind.

    Final thought….we often hear about players tearing it up when they go to play in Europe, and then seem pretty average if and when they return to play in oz. Most Aussies smugly brush that off as a reflection on how poor the European competitions are……but perhaps its more a reflection of how poor the coaching set-up is in Australia, that our coaches can get the same performance out of the same players? truth is probably somewhere in the middle….but something to ponder….

    • I’m thinking it’s a reflection of the coaching, more and more. The real stars from SA still shine, the Kiwis shine too. Their level doesn’t seem to change particularly, to me. But the Aussies seem to step up a gear and then fall back.

      Beale, at Wasps, became a competent defender, week in, week out. Where’s that gone? In the coaching I think. He had a team and a coaching system he believed in, so he and they all put in the effort, they all saw the rewards… and so he kept tackling. Now, that’s not there and he’s a tackle-optional player again, in some games at least. He can still tackle, we’ve seen it, and I’m not trying to dump on him in particular, it’s just that tackling is an easy thing to pick out. I think the whole coaching set up suffers, and the players suffer for it, in the same way.

      • mikado

        I thought that Beale’s defence at Wasps was ok, and no more. The English Premiership is not quite as good as Super Rugby, which in turn is a level below Test rugby, so I’m not surprised he struggles defensively at that level. What does surprise me about Beale is that Australia are not getting more out of him offensively. Cheika picked a very offensive-minded team against the ABs in particular, yet they’ve not shown the menace required.

        It’s not just Aussie players that have shone at English club level but underwhelmed at Test level. Plenty of English players have done likewise, eg Billy Twelvetrees.

        • sambo6

          Yeah, I agree. Premiership and pro 14 clearly well below test level. More referring to premiership versus super rugby. I think super rugby is above the premiership….if we’re talking NZ super rugby. I thinks pro14 and premiership are on a par with the ausie super rugby sides. You maybe argue against that, and i’d concede that the gap from say waratahs on top form to the Worcester warriors, is massive, but the gap between leinster or saracens…and any aussie super rugby side is probably in the norther’s favour…..

          In anycase, I think the beale example is a good one. Or what about the will Skelton example….he’s lost 20kgs since arriving at saracens…and is winning plaudits for his workrate…yes you read that right,, will Skelton is winning plaudits for his workrate…..

        • I would agree plenty of English players don’t make the step up. The same is true, although perhaps less common of Super Rugby players. Look at New Zealand’s 1-test wonders, or perhaps their sub-10 test players in the Super Rugby era is a better stat. 1-test wonders might just be unlikely, but if you play 7 times you were expected to make the step up, and just didn’t.

          I think one of the issues the Premiership and the Top 14 have, compared the Pro14 and Super Rugby is that they only see one style of play, basically. The Welsh, Irish and Scots (and the Italians of course) see those different styles. The English see the English. The French see the French. They all, kind of, see each other very briefly in the European Cups, but that’s a bit of a lottery for quality and where you are in team selection and so on. Super Rugby sees theoretically Japanese, Argentinian, NZ, Aussie and SA, so there’s a better mix. With NZ there’s always high quality in the mix. Without checking the actual stats, I suspect that’s why Wales, Ireland and Scotland have fewer misfires than England with picking players to step up to test level.

          I think Beale’s defence was better than OK at Wasps. I wouldn’t have bet money on him as a defender there, not claiming he was great, but it seems to me like his woes are more severe than a step up in level, there’s a system error from the coaching too.

        • mikado

          Very good point about single style of play (or particularly single style of refereeing interpretation). No doubt that Premiership style at the ruck hurt England in Internationals. I daresay it must hide some player deficiencies that would be better exposed in Super Rugby.

        • David Creagh

          Definitely system, I don’t think he was being hidden from defence at Wasps. Nothing makes you learn how to tackle and defend more than tackling and defending.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          I’ll tell you why and I’ve said it a million times. ….. ..how is anyone supposed to create any reasonable amount of attacking threat in the few chances a game can provide sometimes. ……if the guy inside you at 10 is basically just another 9 who shovels the ball one more spot wider. Foley really has no attacking vision. …….It’s always been left up to individual brilliance outside him from players like Folou or Kerevi…….made so much harder because by the time the 9 passes to Foley then he simply shovels it to his inside centre, the guys got the defensive line in his face every time. Players like Barret, Quade, Janjties, Sopoanga and Co. .. .. they all read the defence and spread it accordingly, chip it or throw a cut out pass. THATS what Aus rugby sorely needs back in its squad. A “playmaker” that makes plays…….

        • mikado

          Well today’s match would be a case in point with Beale at 10 and a very good 12 outside him, but very little ambition let alone menace from the backs. Besides that, Beale has combined well with Foley in the past, not least because Foley’s a running threat that demands attention from the defence. I think the Wallaby attack has lost a bit of mojo this year and I’m not really sure why.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          But then how is the Foley Beale combination explained away at the Tahs. Beale had possible his best ever season this year. ……yet Foley had another poor season. .. ..setting up less than a dozen tries all year(from a comp leading 800ish possessions) . And he’s not there for his defence I Garuntee that.
          But as for the Bokke game. .. Maddocks was definitely up for this game.. …plenty of runs and went very close to finishing twice at least. Beale and Tomouas games would have looked a million times better tonight if so many silly mistakes were not made killing the play. Even a hand full of the opportunities cashed in would have been a great success. Tomoua was MOTM anyways. .. ..

        • David Creagh

          I think the issue is that perhaps the 10 and 12 are the wrong way around. Toomua is a better 10 than 12 and I think Beale is a better 12 than 10. Toomua reads the game well and is straighter and more direct in attack. He runs more North/South than East/West with his shoulders straight to the line. Beale has a tendency to creep sideways but is probably more creative than Toomua but as Go the Q Reds points out there is more than just distribution. Toomua can throw the cut out, have a dab himself and has a significantly better tactical kicking game (both positionally and distance) than Foley – less so Beale but still better.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Got it spot on mate

      • GO THE Q REDS

        He’s either a good tackler or he’s not. Ya can’t hedge the bet both ways. Some forget players make mistakes, miss tackles and throw poor passes. Look at the Barret bros. …. both not great defenders at super lol but there not in their teams because they smash guys. .. ….they score points and make plays. Holding too high a market on a player just makes it easier for them to fail. And that’s exactly why Beale is a better option at 10 than Foley. …..they both aren’t great defenders but at least Beale fulfills the brief of a playmaker and creates opportunities, something that will get better with a tad more time.

        • Oh rubbish. Someone who rarely misses is a tackle is clearly great. Someone who never makes one is clearly rubbish. There is a spectrum in between. Smashing them back so your tackles are mostly dominant is also good, but that’s not always necessary – lots of full backs don’t make a huge number of dominant tackles but don’t miss many either for example. the low miss rate is really important when you’re usually the last of defence.

          Saying Beale improved the % of tackles he made at Wasps, and it’s fallen off more than I’d expect with the step up in level to test rugby is perfectly reasonable. As I said, I’m not trying to say that’s Beale’s fault, I think it’s a problem with the coaching.

          I agree Beale is a better creative player than Foley, and I hope (but I doubt) we’ll see the Beale Toomua axis again.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          What’s rubbish? Your the one who said he seemed a better defender at Wasps, and now you feel that’s changed. Personaly from watching him at Wasps, Super and Test level I see very little changed in his defensive ability. Now I watch more rugby than probably anyone you’ve ever met and I firmly believe it takes a long long time to teach a dog new tricks, same goes for unlearning them. Pressure from varying opponents skill levels does change however, as does pressure from coaches and team members…..
          I’d bet if you looked at seasonal stats for Beale they’d be very similar year on year in the same location/team.

        • If that is what you meant, then I still disagree, but I don’t think it’s clearly rubbish. However, what you said in your previous reply does not amount to the same thing as this reply.

          You suggested a player’s defensive ability is a binary thing, great or not. It is clearly a spectrum, there are great defenders, very good ones, good ones, mediocre ones and poor ones. Hopefully not too many of those in a test side.

          Beauden Barrett, for example, doesn’t make many dominant tackles, and I agree he’s selected for attacking spark, but he doesn’t miss a whole lot either. As you’d expect from someone who also plays international fullback. Less good than Read, Pocock, better than Beale, Foley. A spectrum, not a binary thing. Never going to say that’s anything but rubbish.

        • David Creagh

          Personally, I think the concept of hiding poor defenders is a bad idea. It tells the player that they are a poor defender and that is not going to help their confidence, it even gives them the excuse “I’m here for my attacking skills and I’m not a good defender. Have a go lads! Tackle him!”. The other thing is that when we get fast turnover ball and we are in transition the key attacking players are not in the position to exploit the opportunity. The initiative is lost with a tight five player carrying into contact and by the time the playmakers have worked their way back into position the opposition has been able to reset their defence and is no longer scrambling.

          The biggest issue with the side the Cheika has stuck with for so long is that Foley AND Beale are both not strong defenders meaning the midfield defence is poor, Nathan Gray’s strategy to deal with the issue is to hide both and place wingers further infield, work Pocock and Hooper like slaves to cover the middle channel reducing their effectiveness in other areas. The next biggest issue is that when a line break occurs Folau is often out of position and not able to cover effectively to shut it down, he is a fantastic attacking threat when given time and space but he does not read the game well in defence and (at times) I get the impression that he feels defence is beneath him, another reason why I have massive concerns whenever I hear people say “Play Izzy at 13 he will cut it up!”. A 10, 12, 13 combination who cannot defend well is a recipe for a thrashing.

        • onlinesideline

          “fantastic in time and space” – beg to differ. He is slow, period. He easily gets run down. He has one step, the beg step which he can only do with half the field in front of him and one defender. Most world class FBs are good with time and space. The trick is to be good with no time and no space. He cantors back when he takes a deep kick and then often gets turned over for being isolated and he cant kick to save his life. He is also slow off the mark.

          Wing brings out his strengths. The major thing he was good at in League was the bash and barge over the line 25 out with 2 blokes on him. He is as strong as an OX and has huge leg power and he hates ppl touching him in a weird kind of way. Wing would put him in scoring position alot more, doing just that, barging over. Also give him the high ball option which he excelled in, in League.

          Him being in FB is throwing out our backline big time.

        • David Creagh

          Perhaps Mrs Izzy?

          I had to say something positive about Izzy otherwise people would hit me for an anti-Warratah bias.

        • Parker

          Are you the David Creagh who played for Eastwood Colts?

        • David Creagh

          Nope, I played my Colts for Easts in Canberra in the late 80’s.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Despite all his criticisms he’s still manages to be the most dangerous fullback in world rugby since the day he started. …dominating stats, records and scorelines. He gets the job done I say.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          But it’s not a Wallaby problem your talking about. EVERY team does it. Hiding smaller players in defence is common sense. It’s the application of the idea that the good teams get right. You move to mark another back out wide when the chance arises….. .NOT simply run from centre field all the way to your wing to “hide”

        • David Creagh

          Who do the All Blacks hide? Who from England or Ireland? Didn’t see Elton Jantjes not defending at 10 last night (granted I wasn’t watching for it specifically so I may be wrong here).

        • GO THE Q REDS

          I could give you a massive comprehensive list…. ..the difference will be WHEN the “hiding” players move to the wing or further away from the middle. But Damien McKenzie is not only the worst defender statistically along with Foley… .hes also small. So it common sense he’s hidden. And he will slide out wide INSTANLY if caught in a ruck/tackle. Laumape is an average defender and he was sliding out defending on the wing all game. But your right if your not looking for it you won’t really see it….. .because done right it actually works.

        • tREDgic

          At schoolboys Quade was 10, Pocock 12 which is why he never needed to tackle. Beale was the same at Joeys, never had to tackle through school as they were there to attack – but it doesnt help them in the long run.

        • I can certainly agree with all of that. You don’t see other sides “hiding” weaker defenders. You see narrower defensive channels and things like that, although that won’t work too well if you’re convinced that both 10 and 12 are considered poor defenders, there’s still a soft spot between them after all. But, although it goes against modern defensive systems, you could have narrower channels, play an up and out defence and if you need to you can swap 12 and 13 in defence regularly. (I don’t think you’d need to, tbh, there would be support naturally coming into that area.) It requires less swapping, if any, puts more play makers in good positions at the breakdown, and you’re not thrashing your loosies. It puts a lot of onus on 13, but that’s not uncommon in defensive systems. Up and out, drift defences aren’t common at test level, but you see them at lower levels working pretty well, no particular reason the Wobs couldn’t apply it.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Yep it’s definitely binary. …. whatever that means. But there’s the problem. You can’t compare defensive types between forwards and backs because Reed doesn’t ever tackle people in open space like Barret has too….. .and yet when Barret gets to a tackle he’s only a 70% efficiency rating. That’s 3 from every 10 tackles are poor. Not good at all.
          But the point I was making is the difference day to day in a player’s defensive skill going up and down depends on the opposition amoung other things. Beale did not ….as you suggest…. all of a sudden become a worse defender because he’s back in Australia.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Surely that implies all the coaching down here… at most levels is in line with each other and all of it sub par on every level. I’d be more inclined to believe it truly is the players.. . ..with a mild mix of coaching. ….for eg if Cheika is a bad egg, his involvement when talking to super clubs spreads it a bit there as well. Same as when a great structure like the ABs gets simulated at NZ clubs. ….. .it spreads good or bad.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate I agree that it is 100% the coaching. Most coaches here are very good motivators but lack technical ability. I think that’s why guys like Foley, Folau, Hooper – fuck all of them, haven’t improved in their weak areas over the years. Funnily enough the only one I’ve seen improve is Phipps, I think he’s getting more accurate.

  • joy

    After early mishaps the Aussie forwards contained the SA scrum. Later Tupou et al negated Marx and Co. The difference was reduced our solid defence and poor ball control of the Saffas. A good game but both sides have a mountain to climb.

  • Will Honeycomb

    I was thinking of that- the start of the 2015 World Cup semi final against Argentina- when Simmons spilled it today.

  • onlinesideline

    I really agree with someones comment recently about how 23 squad members is too much and its nulled and voided the smaller fitter guys taking over at the 60 min mark effectively maintaining the games speed for the spectators. What was behind the thinking by world rugby ? The game looks like WWE for alot of the time. Its just bearhugs and flopzies. If I was new to rugby and had to pick between League and Union as a spectacle – Im sad to say …..

    • GO THE Q REDS

      I think that’s more a reflection on how referees have chosen to run and direct the rucks n mauls and tackle zone over the years. It’s line bad every ruck weather or not it’s a flip over the ball or a clean out. I see exactly what your saying……love too see it a dressed one day!

    • disqus_NMX

      I get what you’re saying, but no way would you be busting to watch another League game, talk about excruciatingly boring. How many bomb kick trys can you watch before entirely falling asleep.

      • onlinesideline

        yeah true

    • Huw Tindall

      WSR had something going for it with time limits set in scrum packing and lineouts. Can’t walk to the mark and slow shit down!

  • Huw Tindall

    God this makes you realise how good the ABs are :(

    • onlinesideline

      And Argies – did you watch the game ? Crisp, clean, broke the AB line cleanly many times, through BASIC backline play. Run arounds, crisp passing, fast delivery, good positioning, clear strategy by whole team. They have some fantastic players reaching their potential. Great for them.

      • Huw Tindall

        Unfortunately missed it en route to a wedding in Mauritius…just noticed in the beachfront pool room and bar there is a TV with the Top 14 Frog restaurant

        • onlinesideline

          Ah I see. Just as long as you werent watching while the Priest was officiating and your headphones fell off right when Budda says “Go you good thing”

        • Huw Tindall

          Juat as well I was 37000 feet over the Indian ocean. If i’d been listening to the saffas attacking our try line in the 80th I would not have been capable of holding my peace.

        • onlinesideline

          mate you need to stop flying on the holy days

        • Huw Tindall

          My only defence is I booked the flight in January and don’t think the draw had been released. Should book fully flexible fares on future.

      • John Tynan

        At one point last night I wondered who the real deliverer of the NSW title was, and while he’s definitely an international coach now, I can’t help but think maybe he is actually coaching the Argies rather than the Wallabies…

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep watched that game on the screen in the Box at the Wallabies game before the match. Got us all psyched up for a great contest, then we saw that utter diahorea. The Argies are going to spank us next week.

  • onlinesideline

    yeah I thought I was for a sec – always try and credit my fellow geniuses here at the genius bar of Australian Rugby

  • disqus_NMX

    I watched this game from a completely neutral perspective. I am so sick of Cheika that I didn’t want the Wallabies to win. But also can’t stand the arrogant Boks, so didn’t want them to win either. So having taken away the emotions, here’s my summary of the game:
    – It was like watching a competition between the Wallabies, the Boks, and the referee, to see who could be the most incompetent.
    – Is it me, or is that Faf de Klerk a bit of a nob?

    • mikado

      Faf is a scrum-half – they’re all knobs.

    • David Creagh

      Was hoping for a Wallabies win but part of me wanted the Boks to win to see the end of Cheika. Read one headline this morning that said “Wallabies stun in heart stopper” so I suspect everyone will be coming out with the usual everything is OK mate. The way the Argies played against the Darkness suggests that we will struggle against them next weekend.

      My thoughts –
      a. Other than the try, Hooper was a passenger
      b. I never thought Kurtley Beale was an international quality, nothing I saw last night suggests that I should change my opinion
      c. At least one of Fa’inga’s ‘crooked’ throws was Hey Diddle Diddle right down the middle but Jackson has eyes that are painted on (plus he would not recognise a scrum if he fell over it, let alone officiate one)
      d. Defence was significantly better but the strategy of playing Beale or Foley at the front of the lineout in defence is going to be found out. The Boks threw to Kristoff at one twice to take on the weak defender in that position

    • John Tynan

      He is a half back. It’s a pre-requisite, really.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Yeah but he’s good tho. …. .failed Fabio hair doesn’t help his cause!

  • Geoffro

    And Korobeite ??? my god,how does this guy keep getting selected.Maddocks and Banks are far from the finished article but at least know their way round a rugby field.Marika has no clue.

    • David Creagh

      ^This

      I think there is an obsession with big wings in world rugby. The little fast mobile guy still has a place, Cheslin Kolbe, Breyton Paulsa, Digby Ioane are all fantastic players. You want a big wing play Folau there and DHP at full back with Maddocks or Banks on the other side (the one not selected on the bench).

      • Geoffro

        For sure,these guys have natural instincts and plenty of heart to overcome their size (don’t forget Dmac , the best midget in world rugby).I don’t think Korobeite has the nous to make it in high level rugby.Semi Raradra would have been a far better acquisition for ARU,shame he already had a run with Fiji.

      • Steve

        Bryan Habana…
        AAC…
        Drew Mitchell…
        The lost could on and on with much smaller and much more effective players…

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Agreed. Sometimes I wonder if Cheika puts in Garuntee wallaby games in clauses to help draw players he likes. Can think of at least 6 in the last year or so…….

      • Geoffro

        There’s been a few league guys who’ve obviously been guaranteed a run in recent times that have been fails.Wendell,Tahu,Hunt and Burgess for the poms come to mind

        • GO THE Q REDS

          True but totally disagree about Wendell Sailor. He was a monster at the time at WING.

        • Geoffro

          Sorry,but his inability to defend,kick or position himself properly made him an average rugby winger.He was a very good league winger but didn’t shine on the rugby field for mine.

        • tREDgic

          Rogers, Hunt, Lote and Walker all played Rugby schoolboys at a good level. Hunt is only a fail because he knows how to sniff out the white line (too early?)

  • Larry Jorgensen

    28000 crowd in a 52000 capacity stadium

    • disqus_NMX

      Didn’t it look empty! I wasn’t the slightest bit interested in going. The Wallabies under Cheika are now as exciting to me as the Reds without QC, lifeless and boring. Did go to the Irish test, whilst I was still on board, albeit not perfectly happy, with Cheika. And the Irish test was pretty much full and with great atmosphere.

      • onlinesideline

        best supporters in rugby hands down.

    • onlinesideline

      sad isnt it

  • laurence king

    A wins a win and I’ll take it, it wasn’t so much a kissing your sister type win so much as kissing her old cat’s furry butt type win. The team played with plenty of ticker but seamed to suffer from paralysis of the mind having had their behinds shoved through their brains over the last few weeks.

    • Keith Butler

      Getting better. A-.

  • RobC

    Thanks Reg. Both teams were playing their respective ranks. I thought the main turn point was SB LO fubar at 32′ which led to 2mua’s easy try under the sticks

    That was the last try from either side for the rest of the match. Reminds me of WB Wales 2015 RWC. Guts but little brains from both sides

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well good morning GAGR’s. Firstly I must admit that the smoked salmon and nibbly bits, and the Margaret River vino was quite outstanding. More than I can say for the rugby. Another BL rant inbound.
    – Congratulations to the Wallabies, they finally won something. They only won the game because they were less horrible than the Saffas, who had a shocking game.
    – I dont care what the official attendance says, there was no way in gods green earth there was more than 20,000 in that sadium. It was empty. 27k my arse!
    – Initially i thought it was just me being a negative nelly, and not a positive Adrian. But eyeryone around me was saying that it was a competition to be the least worst. Infact the Saffa in the corporate box next to us mentioned that neiterh team deserved to win that match, and the most fitting result would be a draw. Because if either side won they would turn around and crow the postivies. And there were very few positives to take away from that dross.
    – The one positive I will mention before I lose my cookies, is that for once the Wallaby defence was above average.
    – I watched the AB’s vs Los Pumas. Gee the Argies were competitive. Sure as fuck I hope they dont play that well when we face them or we are going to get well and truly spanked.
    – Genia and Toomua had pretty good games. Tongan Thor if not in a wheel chair next week needs to start. He is a beast.
    – Hooper was a passenger for the majority of the evening other than his try. He can not be captain. Bitching like my whinging 11yo daughter to the referump does no one any favours. Thanks Genia for pulling him away. Hooper is a farking tool.
    – Our skills badly let us down in the first half.
    – Our attack is still well off par. We crab sideways way too much.
    – Beale did not have a very good game at all.
    – Simmons, Hmmmmmmm do I reallly have to say anything at all.
    – Koroboite needs to fuck off back to league he is a dead set liability.
    – Cheika is going to stand up and crow that with all those key players absent we still ground out a gutsy win. that wasnt a gutsy win, we won because we finally played someone who fucks up more than we do. England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales are not going to be that easy.
    – After watching the Drua in the NRC, I would not be surprised if Fiji gave us a whooping too.

    GAGR’s that really was terrible. And a win will just wallper over the structual cracks that are clearly evident.
    So grateful I didnt pay for that ticket!
    Over to you GAGR’s

    • laurence king

      This is a game that I wished I hadn’t of watched. It was like watching a spat between two dementia impaired pensioners falling down the stairs, and the one who won was the one who could still urinate. I have never been so depressed after a win. How did we win? Yes, grit, some good performances (Tupou and Toomua), luck and the Saffas being worse.
      I believe we have good players for the most part but there is no cohesion, they seem to be suffering from mass paralysis. And to me, that is a coaching problem.
      If we get hammered next week, it is an indication that this side is in free fall and if the administration doesn’t do something significant about the coaching then the Spring tour promises to be a grand slam from Hell.

      • Keith Butler

        Not quite up to Hoss standards but getting there. B+.

        • Parker

          Different kettles of fish. Had me laughing heartily.

        • laurence king

          Honoured. Black humour, no other options under the present circumstances

      • Brisneyland Local

        Couldnt agree more. the analogy about the dementia impaired pensioners is pure gold.

      • Brisneyland Local

        LK that is just Pure Gold!

        • laurence king

          Depression, you write something or kick the dog

        • Brisneyland Local

          I choose to find solace in the bottle! Many of them after being a Wallabies and Reds fan

      • Alister Smith

        A possible headline after the end of year tour “Wallabies Grand Slammed”. It was a pretty uninspiring performance last night with the possible exception of some elements of the defensive effort and definitely gutsy and gritty though not particularly clever. Our two first 35 minutes against the All Blacks were clearly better and I didnt think Beale at 10 worked particularly well though it probably needs a second chance. I would tend to side with KRL and others who suggest swapping the two. Michael Cheika is apparently a big league fan so its probably not surprising that our game has some elements of that but it looks like I imagine what league did in the 1960s with unlimited tackles with a couple of block plays when we get near the line. A real contrast to watching the ABs last week, I constantly found myself thinking, that if we had presented the ABs with some of the opportunities with gave the Saffers that they would have pounced on the immediately (and the reverse was also true, the Saffers gave us chances that the All Blacks would have converted to major territory gains or points). Still its (marginally) better than losing and perhaps at least it will add to the confidence, although I think the ledesma led pumas could be a real test next week.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Nice rant mate and all good points. I’d swap Toomua and Beale as, I expected, he can’t play well without space. I’d also swap Koroibete with Folau and leave the rest of the backline alone.
      Pretty shit game with shit refereeing and I think the Argies will really test them next week. Topou and Coleman need to start as well. I don’t know what to do with Hooper, personally I’d fuck him off but we know that’ll never happen. He is very shit though.
      Next week will be interesting but the away games are really going to be horrible

      • Brisneyland Local

        Well they have invested millions in him. He, as Hoss calls him is Lee Majors. So I would bring him in off the bench with 20-25 mins to play and use his energy. But by god he can no longer be captain or the starting 7. He isnt even the 3rd best seven.

  • Andy

    I’m glad we won but it really was a poor game of rugby. Nothing from it suggests we are stepping forward.

    On the main points:
    1) Beale was very average at 10 but I agree we need to persist.
    2) Toomua was decent and D was solid as per usual. Goal kicking very promising. Has a nice , fluid action.
    3) forwards were average. Thought Samu stood up in the 2nd half big time.
    4) not sold on Maddocks yet and Koriebete has no idea what he is doing most of the time. Other than blind speed he doesn’t have much else. No real step, no chip and chase and can’t realky run over the top of players. Would very much prefer to see Banks in there.
    5) our attacking structure really is the pits and there is bugger all creative threat from 11, 13-15. Argentina are 3 times more threatening than we are. No big boppers or guys with blinding speed but backs with great feet, skill and more importantly they are all in-sync with each other. Had the AB’s guessing all game. I know Grey has been put on notice by Reyloyn but Larkham shouldn’t be far off either.

    • laurence king

      Not quite the running ensemble rugby we’ve been consistently promised is just around the corner then? They certainly don’t look like they’re a team enjoying their footy either. You don’t beat South Africa unless you’ve got the players and maybe this win will be the thing that changes it for the Wallabies, I certainly hope so
      I’m reminded of the shambles of the 97 side, yet a year and a half later, basically the same side won the World Cup. But that took a change of coach and direction

      • onlinesideline

        We have the cattle but we have been coached into zombies that are scared shitteless to REALLY play whats in front of you. We are the least Australian Wallaby side I have ever seen. Watching how many breaks and the nature of the breaks that the Argies made today is proof. We still look so disconnected and the backs look like an unhappy bunch of campers in 6s and 7s. I really wonder what the Ellas and the Joe Roths and Horans say behind closed doors.

        • laurence king

          They look like a side who want to be BELIEVERS but just can’t find the faith

        • onlinesideline

          because they havent been shown the light – (eye roll)

        • Brisneyland Local

          That is because Brad Thorn isnt there with his Happy Clappy revival show.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Dont you mean Beliebers!

      • GO THE Q REDS

        That’s what 5years persisting with Foley gets us. But that’s what everyone wanted so they can suck it up and enjoy their average at best attacking threat and vision. Meanwhile one of the most enigmatic attackers Aus has ever seen runs around carving up the lower grades behind sub par packs and still makes opportunities left right an center.

        • Slim 293

          I didn’t realise Bernie was still playing?

    • Huw Tindall

      Agree korobiete needs some more development. I’d have loved to see big Taquele out there. Legitimate point of difference and he really started to show some rugby smarts this year at the Tahs. Not caught out of position and great reads in defence with some vital intercepts. Alas.

  • talexchel

    ︁Th︁a︁n︁k︁s ︁B︁rot︁h︁a︁!︁! I︁︁’︁v︁e f︁︁o︁u︁n︁d t︁he︁r︁e m︁︁y T︁e︁ac︁h︁er N︁︁a︁k︁e︁d ! ︁m︁w︁a︁h︁a︁a︁h︁h

    • zavrora

      ︁H︁a︁h︁h︁a︁a︁h l︁u︁c︁k︁y ︁m︁a︁n︁

  • Brumby Runner

    I am wondering if the number of changes to the team for this game might be an indication that the Asst Coaches are at last having a say in Cheika’s selections. I cannot otherwise fathom the sudden and substantial about turn by Cheika in relation to Simmons, Foley, Kepu at al.

    • onlinesideline

      eales and castle

    • Brisneyland Local

      RA telling him!

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Ultimatums. …. ..that or your gone and we’ll try the 7th grader coach that applied today. …. .

    • Huw Tindall

      Simmons only in after Coleman got pulled late. Kepu needed a break. Needed to experiment at 10. The Tahs bias has been dispelled. Count the Rebels and Reds players in the team despite their average seasons

  • Hoss

    Good morning Gaggers,

    Well, what to make of that ?

    A dogs breakfast served with a nice sauce is still a dogs breakfast. By Jehovah that was hard watching.

    Looking for positives, the transitional defence was much better and some young forwards stood tall. The work of the pack was a step up on the AB games for sure.

    Glenn Jackson – did he take dickhead pills before the match ?? That’s as bad a performance I have seen on the international arena by a penguin in a long time and there’s been some doozies. I can’t help but feel the Boks were hard done by at the last ruck, but then again how does he penalise Tupou when the Beast arse is pointing to the change rooms and Tupou had been ‘flipped’ over in the scrum. Watching the replay and in my humble opinion only I believe it to be one of the most malicious, pre meditated and deliberate attempts to cause harm in a scrum that I have seen in an age. I reckon the beast was getting towelled up again and responded as he did – poor form.

    Hooper lost me finally as a captain – his carry-on when tackled 3 inches above the ground in what was a millisecond miss-timed tackle was juvenile – how do you expect a ref to work with you after that ??

    Koribete is first rate poo and needs a season in SR before he gets trialled again.

    As a younger man amidst sexual droughts I would often look for salvation anywhere it existed, I didn’t care were it went as long as it disappeared – last night was the rugby equivalent.

    • laurence king

      There is certainly some evidence of an unhappy team, Hooper runs forward on Toomua’s penalty attempt and nobody follows him, but he gets in a bit of a dust up over nothing and suddenly everybody is wanting to fight. I wish I was a psychologist.

      • Hoss

        Agree. Look at the SR players poll. hooper doesn’t make it in the side as a 7, let alone captain. You telling me all in gold believe he is their best 7 and captain …..

        • Brisneyland Local

          Nope but they know the power of the maffia that led the coup. They arent stupid.

      • onlinesideline

        I think the players like each and respect other. But its only natural that after a certain point there is some release. It will either take the form of not listening to the coach and just saying WTF and chancing their arm, which would be great or imploding a la Scotland. We will see in next 3 weeks. Toomua is the man to break the shackles IMO. For a guy just coming back into camp hes doing a splendiferous job.

        • laurence king

          You hear them talk to the media and it’s ‘everyones with the program’, it’s all PC stuff, like parroting off their times tables. It certainly looks like they could do with a week off from the coaches and do it themselves

        • GO THE Q REDS

          I agree but he can’t be 10. He’s faaar better out a tad.

    • onlinesideline

      Do you have a name for Hooper ?
      Maybe you should call him “On the Buses” for Carrying On or were they 2 different series ?

      • Hoss

        Lee Majors mate – the $6 million dollar man.

        • onlinesideline

          thats right dont remind me

        • Hoss

          Look for news out of RA next week Re something Similar for Spanners………till the 2023 RWC

        • onlinesideline

          Hes not stupid.

        • Ed

          SMH pRAvda reported on Friday that Spanners (Foley??) will sign for one year as he is interested in playing overseas after the world cup.

        • Huw Tindall

          About right as he’ll BR 30 next year so time to cash in. Been a good servant of Australian rugby regardless of what you think of his skills as a 10.

        • Brisneyland Local

          If they do that for Spanners I am going to crowd fund an Ad in the Australian petitioning for the RA board to be sacked. I will put up the first $1000.

        • I Should be Coach

          Second

        • Brisneyland Local

          I will start setting it up then!

        • Alister Smith

          Alan Jones might help you out with that…actually his weekly article in the Australian is virtually an ad petitioning for the RA board to be sacked.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. I dont agree with most things AJ says. Infact I find his radio show to be an embarrassment . But on rugby I do agree with a lot of things he says.

        • Steve

          I’m in…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well that is 3. We have a chorum.

        • Steve

          I want to down vote, not your comment, but just the idea…

      • Keith Butler

        Carry On a whole series of ‘comedy’ films going through the 50s to 70s. On the Buses was a uk tv show. Again I remember it very well because Reg Varney played the bus driver whose name was Butler. His nemesis was the inspector, a miserably faced git called Blakie whose catch phrase was ‘I hate you Butler’ and it stuck to me like glue for years.

        • Parker

          And “I’ll get you Butler”

    • onlinesideline

      I think out of the 4 matches – Saffas and Argies x 2 – this is the only one we were ever going to win. Smacked next week at home and tired and out enthused away. This Cheika question aint over yet. By his smiles tonight he thinks it is but it isnt. Izzy on, Izzy off, Poey on, Poey off – it doesnt and wont make a difference.

      • Hoss

        Los Pumas we’re great to watch mate. Anyone who sees the scoreboard only will miss how truly dangerous they are. I still don’t believe their wingers foot went into touch either to disallow the try. Hypothetical now, but what would that have done for them (as they play with a lot of South American passion) – would have made it 21 – 19 to the Nearlies with a kick to come from memory ???

        They will be dangerous next week.

        • onlinesideline

          Yep and it just goes to show how footy can be coached and played against the ABs effectively. Our patterned plays are just alien to me. You can tell the second they begin each play they are just going to bunch up.

          If you havent thought of a nickname for the whole team maybe “the daily paper” could be apt – because they pretty much “telegraph” everything or even John West, because they constantly look like sardines in a can.

        • Hoss

          That little loop play with Boffelli was tried three times and it was liquid beauty, simple, well executed and sublime.

          Eldrick tried it in first half but Maddocks was on outside shoulder, not inside and Eldrick gets creamed as a result. Watch it again and watch Sanchez he ignites Maddocks afterwards.

        • onlinesideline

          Is it my imagination that our forwards seem to regroup in the 10-12 channel in pods and truck it up in the most predictable way possible MUCH more than the Argies and Nearlies ? Why does our channel look like a Toyko intersection. Where has the space in our backline gone ? Has the fear of the AB counter attack wounded us so much we are afraid to spin it 5 on 5 ? That used to be our strength.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah saw that. Wonder what Sanchez was saying? ;-)

        • GO THE Q REDS

          We watched that first one over and over and I think Maddocks was in the right place for the set play. .. . someone else was supposed to grab the inside pop ball then slip it back out to Maddocks. Probably why it kinda worked the second time……..

        • Andy

          I’d go as far as saying their style and skill is the best to watch in world rugby maybe bar the AB’s. I feel like they are replacing us in that department. In the past 10 years we have been a fantastic team to watch at times albeit not being the full package nor consistent. But we have always been a good team on the eye when in attack. I really think we are regressing in this area and they have well and truely taken over us in attractive play.

          If they get the other components together especially up front they could very well be challenging the top 4.

        • Keith Butler

          Definitely better than the dross dished up by two ordinary teams. The Darkness had the rub of the green. The Argie backs were electric but where has the forward firepower gone? Tupou has to start cos we need to see just how good he is, although the Argie pack particularly their props are no great shakes start him and let him play 60 mins of high intensity footy. I don’t want to see him go the same way as ‘ Give the ball to Izzy’ with ‘Bring on Thor’ vomiting from Greg Martin’s gob.

        • Brisneyland Local

          We, BL’s mates that pretend to be my mates, and I were watching the AB’s vs Arg game. It was a great game. the worst part about it was that it psyched us up for the Wallabies game, which made the let down even harder. The Argies were very competitive.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The Argies are playing really good rugby. They’ll be dangerous next week mate. I think they’ll push us at home too

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah I was really impressed with them. they hung in there for the full 80 mins.

      • Huw Tindall

        I wouldn’t underestimate the impact of relatively late withdrawls Coleman, Izzy and Pocock plus the Beale/Toomua combo. Was also a drenched ground. I mean we won without the best player in Australian rugby on pitch so not all doom and gloom. Assuming all the injured players back next week we should be 10-15% better.

        Three big questions for me are a) will Chek keep Beale at 10? b) will Thor start? c) Taf is cooked. Serious doubts if he can make RWC 2019.

        Outside that I’d definitely rest Korobiete with take your pick of talented youngsters – hell even a guy like Andy Muirhead or dare I say it big Taquele!

        Want to sort our hookers out too. What has BPA has done? Think we need Latu on the pine or starting. His breakdown presence is priceless.

        • IIPA

          Watched the Vikings v Rays yesterday. Muirhead was a class and a gear above.

          (And if the Brumbies persist with Hawera ahead of Jordan Jackson Hope they are mad )

        • Huw Tindall

          Only saw highlights but coming off Super Rugby i’m not surprised. Great lines and pace. One of those players always in the right place at the right time.

          Would like to know more about JJH as have seen him talked up two weeks in a row now!

        • IIPA

          Last week I think he played quite a bit at 10. This week pretty much stayed at 12 but most of Vikings plays came off of him and he made a number of breaks. Possibly guilty of hogging the ball once or twice.

          Defends alright for someone his size and is plenty aggressive enough.

        • Brumby Runner

          JJH was more effective at 10 than 12 imo. He is similar to a lot of other young 10s in the country, being rather solid in attack but not creative, and very iffy in defence.

          Hawera is probably the most creative No 10 in Aus, perhaps after Quade, but very much in the QC mold. You get mistakes interspersed with sublime play. He can put more players through gaps than any other No 10 currently playing in the country.

        • Hoss

          Don’t know if your saw the after match with Cheika up north mate ? He basically committed to the Beale / Toomua combo for a while to ‘develop’. I reckon the rest of the 4N barring injury..

        • Huw Tindall

          Literally just read that in an article now over a morning coffee on a lovely Mauritian beach – temporary return to Southern Hemisphere although closer to Yarpie time than AEST. I guess one game isn’t enough to really test and it sounds like it wasn’t optimal conditions. Like KRL and others keep pushing wouldn’t mind Toomua at 10 as a straight swap for Foley but will hold fire until after the Argies game.

        • laurence king

          And that’s definitely a good thing. They showed a lot of guts, now if they can display some cohesion, heres hoping

        • Brisneyland Local

          I dont mind the combo, but I would put Toomua at 10 and Beale at 12.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Hoss as always very accurate. We wandered down from the box to some seats that were unoccupied (a. there were lots of unoccupied seats. b. there wasnt enough Maragaret river vino to drown my sorrows last night ) and that scrum was right in front of us. I couldnt hear what was being said by Jackson to the beast, but I thought he was giving him what for. Personally I think that should have been a card. It was dangerous and stupid, and then to drop a knee in his face was just the coup de grace.

      • Hoss

        I’ll just get my soap box out mate. Ok,ready to go.

        IMO it was the most disgusting piece of foul play I have witnessed in a rugby field.

        It’s one thing to work a few dark arts and win a penalty or two, fair enough. But that smacked of ‘I am gonna bring this young buck down and hurt him’. The beast steps left, goes to his knees and after Thor collapses he gets back up and continues to shear across the face. Then fuck me sideways Jackson some how sees a Saffa penalty ????

        Soap box back under bed now.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Leave it out. There is more soap boxing to do. Yep it was pretty disgusting. The Saffa sitting across from ruminated that he reckons the beast will get cited for that one. But alas there will be nothing. THe Referumps have to stand up, because it, that kind of foul play, will put someone in a wheel chair. the IRB will step in then, a players will get a years suspension or some other dramatic over-reaction to show that they are onto it. But it could be resolved now. Crack down on it. Card it. And it will stop. And quickly.

        • Keith Butler

          Yep and as soon as the refs step up the better. And while their at it how about the no arms clear out leading with the shoulder and taking out players who aren’t even close to being bound to the ruck. Every bloody team does it and they’re just as dangerous.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Very true.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Better to have a shit game and win than a shit game and lose though. TBH there was some good play at times, I like Toomua and think he needs to stay, the back 4 minus Koroibete was actually good. I’d do a straight swap with Folau and Koroibete and I think you’d get quite a good solution.
      I thought the Wallabies got the rub of the green with most decisions by Jackson and yes he had a shocker.
      The Argies pushed us hard all game – despite the score that doesn’t tell the full story. I think you’ll have to step up a lot more next week mate

      • Hoss

        I hear you.

        The Pumas forwards play a lot at the gain line with little passes and deception that kept the Nearlies guessing. Our guys by comparison telegraph the pass well before and don’t commit a tackler

        Nest week will be very dangerous

        • Huw Tindall

          The Bokke beat the Argies in round 1 so think Wallabies will start slight favourites. Less than 3 in it.

        • onlinesideline

          argies beat the boks mate

        • Huw Tindall

          Last week yeah but round 1 in Saffa they lost unless i’m going mad.

        • onlinesideline

          oh yeah sorry ur right

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep I agree. I felt sorry for the Dutch Dirt Farmers. Some of the decisions by Jackson were head scratching.

    • Wallabrumby

      I cringe now when a NZ ref officiates the game, all through Super Rugby they were terrible. They seem to make rules up on the run, let some things go and then ping stupid little things that should not even be looked at.

    • Bernie Chan

      “…hard watching…” indeed. Was only watching on the tele, but a mate who was at the game said “we won, but only because we sucked less than the Boks…”. Like some others, I can’t see how Koroibete is still in the team, drop him and put Izzy on a wing? Otherwise keep the backline? Le Roux had a shocker…a really “off night”…

  • John Tynan

    I actually think Sauce is better in the tight running than Folau. He stills seems to be able to beat the first bloke in tight and make post-contact metres. Izzy seems to give up too easy – maybe to compensate for presentation skills that lag because of time in league.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Not sure I agree with that…… Izzy beats the first player almost every time. Hes at the point end of most offensive line stats and has been for years.. …breaking records along the way. I think we just expect a lot from Folou because we’re so used to what he does consistently. Scoring more tries then any other wallaby back is amount those stats.

      • John Tynan

        See what you mean about the expectation piece. I still think he’s a right winger, not a fullback, and I still think we lost nothing with Sauce at FB.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          I’d be willing to see him there a bit more to prove that cuz he had one great game there now and the other night with was just average. But not bad by any means. I just feel hesitant to put someone like Folou on the wing where he will definitely see less ball. He hasn’t been breaking all these Aus and world rugby records for nothing all the years…

  • Parker

    Why is this comment and the one below appearing again a day or two later from a different thread?

  • first time long time

    I reckon the crowd at the Gold Coast next weekend will be disastrous.
    Anyone heard ticket sales so far?
    That would have been a good Reds crowd last night, fark me rugby is in a death spin in Aus.

    • Will

      I’ve got a mate that works for RA I watched the game in pub with last night. They are expecting a disaster with the GC test. Low attendance and being beaten by the argies. Not the advertisement of the game RA needs right now.

      • Huw Tindall

        It’s sad because the Argies are playing a great brand of football these days. Should be a cracker actually. Wallaby Thor to crush them!

      • first time long time

        That sounds grim.
        Huw is probably right that it may be the best game of the year and there’ll be tumble weeds in the aisles.

    • Brisneyland Local

      In the last three hours I have been offered through a number of corporate partners at least 6 sets of tickets.

      • disqus_NMX

        Jeez, throw some my way, I’m prob gonna head to the game with my little fella!

  • Timbo

    As clear as it can be with black coloured glasses.
    Even if it was in touch, Perenara attempted to kick the ball out of his hand while tackling him. Ended up shinning him in the head. How is that not foul play?

  • Hoss

    Had to be on Nigel’s side of the field……….

  • Greg

    It as a messy game and Mr Jackson’s decisions were really difficult to follow.

    Does anyone understand teh “not releasing the ball” call on Hodge when he placed it at arm’s length behind him immediately after the tackle?

  • iScreamAtTheTelly

    Sio just looks cooked from the get go. Is it just me? Great work but he looks fuuuuuucked.

    Taf was surely outplayed by Fainga’a for impact? Where Taf used to cannon into people, rucks and mauls like a metronome, he’s lost the sting and consistency he once had. Taf was average, Fainga’a better I reckon. Smart and impactful at the ruck and maul too.

    Alaalatoa was average where he has generally been better. Not a huge slump from not a huge height.

    The locks were all pretty anonymous. Arnold stood out, right? I think they could all just be more aggressive. Nothing outstanding from any body. Simmons? How and why is he still kicking around. He feels like a stop gap and a wasted position for someone else. Or maybe he is just the mister reliable we all need but don’t want?

    Samu? I just don’t remember seeing him. A couple of useful efforts which would have been acceptable had he turned over a couple balls and made a few line breaks. Instead, they were the highlights of his game? I’m probably wrong.

    Spoke about Hooper. Doesn’t look up to it yet. Needs a rest that Pocock should be able to provide, had the kiwis not tried to take the spine out of him.

    Tui was improved, just need to see him keep coming along. Hannigan can’t be threatening his spot can he?

  • Brisneyland Local

    I was there watching and on the Internal feed in the corporate box, I could only pick out about a quarter of what he was saying. Something about left side versus right side. Obviously with a few obscenities thrown in.

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