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2023 Rugby World Cup pool draw

2023 Rugby World Cup pool draw

The make up for the pools for the 2023 have been announced following the draw at the official event in Paris tonight.

After a year that was affected by COVID-19 and had an impact on seedings, the seedings for the next World Cup are based on ranking as of January 2020.

The Wallabies have been drawn alongside Wales, Fiji, Europe 1 and the final qualifier winner in Pool C in a similar draw to the 2019 edition.

World Cup Draw

The Wallabies are one of 12 automatically qualified for the 20-team tournament with the other 8 to be determined by a regional qualification process.

The 20 teams were allocated into bands based on the rankings and were placed into the following groups:
Band 1 – South Africa, New Zealand, England, Wales
Band 2 – Ireland, France, Australia, Japan
Band 3 – Scotland, Argentina, Fiji and Italy
Band 4 – Americas 1, Americas 2, Europe 1, Europe 2
Band 5 – Africa 1, Oceania 1, Asia / Pacific 1, Final Qualifier Winner

  • Patrick

    Well well well ratings lottery works out quite well for us!!

    1. Tough for New Zealand, France and Ireland
    2. Armchair ride for Australia and England (but with some battering from Wales/Argentina respectively) to the semis
    3. Clear but ambitious objectives for Fiji (beat Wales and Georgia for a QF against England), Japan and Argentina (both will want to topple England and both will want to at least get second to make the QF against Australia)
    4. Death trap for Wales, Italy and Georgia (assuming that Georgia are “Europe1″ in due course

    Overall I think the biggest winner is either England or Australia, and the biggest loser is New Zealand who have to beat France at home to avoid meeting RSA in a QF.

    Overall I can’t wait!

    • Seb V

      u think Argentina are going to be Armchair rides even after this tri-nations? Japan are getting better too. That’s IF we beat Wales, otherwise its England once again.

      • Patrick

        No, I think both will be a challenge, and both will be aiming to topple first England and then Australia/whoever, but they are likely to be easier opponents than NZ/FR/RSA/IRL

        Honestly would you have hoped for an easier pool? Perhaps Italy instead of Fiji but realistically we should beat either if we are to have any hope of winning the thing anyway.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          That last sentence says it all mate. The draw may make things a bit harder or easier for the start of the competition but at the end of the day if you want to win you need to beat whoever the opposition is

        • Patrick

          Indeed. But it will be tough for your lot dealing with the psychological pressure after finishing second and facing RSA in a QF :)

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Hahahahahaha. I’m happy we can top the pool – again mate. I actually don’t care when we face any team. QF forward it’s all knock out so you either win or you’re gone.

        • SDK

          I’d rather we (AUS) had IRL than Wales. How do you reckon the Kiwis got a tough pool? France is about the only threat in there and despite home field advantage I don’t see them toppling the AB’s. We may beat Fiji but that’s always one of the most physical contests in the entire series. I think we ended up with 2 injuries and a suspension after last time we played them in pool stage?

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Yeah not an easy draw at all for NZ. Still would rather face France and SA during the build up to the final rather than in the final. We got this

      • Dally M

        Especially when you consider a 3rd string French team pushed England for 80 minutes.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Yeah. so much for the mighty England being best in the world. Hugely over rated to me

        • Yowie

          Owen Farrell is a top-level tackler.

        • Greg

          Owen Farrell is a top-level tackler thug.

          fixed it….

        • Yowie

          Probably needed fixing. It was a poor attempt at a “high tackle” joke.

        • Parker

          Up top tackler

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Mate, I’m going to miss you and your comments while we go on our annual recess. Hope you and your family have an awesome Christmas and New Year and I’ll catch you again when we start up next year

        • Yowie

          Cheers KaRL. Likewise, I (and probably everyone else) appreciates your balanced perspective and comments/stories on a lot of Rugby things (including the refereeing angle).

          Best wishes to you and the family over Xmas and New Year.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Hahaha not everyone. There’s a few here that don’t like me at all.

        • Yowie

          Leaving aside the GaGR commenters who have met you in person then.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Hahahaha no I brought the beers to bribe them. Merry Christmas to you and yours mate

  • Kevino

    QF
    Aus v Arg
    SA v FRA
    Eng v Wales
    NZ v Ire

    • idiot savant

      SF
      Aus v France?
      NZ v England?

      • Hoss

        Moses rates the young tadpoles the best team in Europe.

        • Reds Revival

          And he’s right too! They have more attacking flair than Eddie knows how to handle.

        • idiot savant

          Yeah they have some talent. But who knows which French team is going to turn up on the day? Im hoping for a grudge rematch from last years U20s WC.

          Fraser and Harry will have a score to settle in a side maybe like this?: Faumausili, Horton, Thor, Hosea, LSL, McReight, Swinton, Wilson, McDermott, Harrison, Ramm, Simone, Paisami, Petaia, Maddocks.

        • Patrick

          It is worth remembering that the French coach is Fabien Galthé. In the famous 99 world cup he was dropped by the insecure coach, Jean-Claude Skrela, but bought back into the team after a player mutiny and was their unofficial captain against NZ.

          Their defence coach is Gareth Edwards.

          For the last two years they have had better and worse games but that has been around a very high standard, I don’t think this team is anything like previous French teams.

          And I am not so hopeful about that grudge match, because they have better players than us in a lot of positions (currently:
          front row: equal except they are better at lineouts
          Second row: they have 3 or 4 and we have one (in Australia)
          Backrow: you would pick their reserves before our starters
          Halves: Dupont and Ntamack are a mile ahead of anyone we have atm
          Centres: Paisaimi has been great, but Petaia is a long way from being able to match Vakatawa for 80 minutes
          Wings: maybe a tie, theirs are not that special
          FB: both their first and second FB are better all rounders than any of ours at the moment but Banks might develop a bit more here.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          wow mate. You’re making me feel a bit nervous

      • Patrick

        Aus v RSA, England vs France (NZ to finish second in their group and bow out to RSA in the semi)

        • Patrick

          I wonder – I sort of expect them to as well, but they have a really strong and not very old core of players so maybe not. They are probably slightly better placed than either NZ (current team have not proven that they can win RWC type knock-outs) or Australia (too young).

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          We actually don’t know that as they haven’t played this year and no one actually knows how they will rebound from the RWC. They will always be a challenge as they have the players and history and I can’t see that changing much, but I think NZ has learnt a lot from both the RWC and this year and will take it all on board and be ready for 2023 much better than they were last RWC.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          Yeah we have to wait to see if the prolonged rest at the Bok team will be a blessing or a curse. Some key players used to opportunity to get operations and work on their conditioning but the Currie Cup rugby played now is pretty poor quality. However the Boks will be very used to the French conditions as they will have a Bok team playing in France in the next couple of years.

          As NZ never lost a pool game at the Rugby World cup and France often don’t take the pool games seriously, I expect NZ to top their pool. That will set-up NZ against England in the semi-finals and then the winner of France/Boks in the final. Deja vu….

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          I thought you may have an greater issue with NZ losing to France in the pool games? NZ have never lost a pool game at the RWC – it is in the knock-out finals where they get unstuck.

    • Yowie

      QF
      Aus v Arg

      We could be in for a long game:-

      Following a tie in regulation time, two 10-minute periods of extra time would be used to determine a winner. If the scores are tied at the end of extra time, an additional 10-minute “sudden death” period is played, with the first team to score any points being declared the winner. If the score remains tied at the end of extra time, a kicking competition would ensue.

      • Ads

        After knocking back 48 opportunities to kick for goal, Michael Hooper was finally beaten to death with his 5 John Eales medals by a pitch invader who appears to be Nobody himself.

        • Yowie

          Haha

          Can you knock back a shot at goal if the tiebreaker goes all the way to the kicking competition?

          Gordon Bray:

          Extraordinary scenes here in an extraordinary Quarter Final. Michael Hooper is pointing to the corner and arguing while the referee tries to explain that it is now a goal shootout tiebreaker. The Australian Captain has now turned and walked away from the ref with a smirk on his face while the referee is still talking!

        • Ads

          And Reece Hodge has missed a sitter to end the game.

          Hahaha. Geez we are funny buggers. FIG JAM!

          Have a good Chrissy mate.

        • Yowie

          You too.

          I miss having a laugh around here when it’s off-season. Hopefully GAGR will still be around in some form despite the podcast retiring and a few of the journalists easing back from their regular pieces this year.

        • Greg

          That would be funny Yowie…. but it might actually be true.

        • Yowie

          I didn’t just make up the “walking away” bit….

    • Patrick

      Don’t think Wales will make it, Fiji should get them. Think NZ will lose to France and finish second to go against RSA.

      • Reds Revival

        That would be great for World Rugby if Fiji can knock out Wales!

        • Yowie

          If that happens there will be very sad tunes sung in Llanfairpwll-gwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob

        • Reds Revival

          And in Wales too.

  • Ads

    That’s a good draw for us. Doesn’t mean we still wont stuff up!

  • Tah Tragic

    Yep good draw for us. You would have to think the Welsh and Fijians are happy as well. Really does seem the easiest draw by far. The 6th, 9th and 11th ranked teams on current rankings

  • Reds Revival

    Patrick, are Fiji considering dumping Vern Cotter already? He’s only coached 1 test (for a win). Admittedly, it would be a massive coup to get Eddie, as he would turn them into a genuine Tier One team. How realistic is it?

    • Patrick

      Please do not take my comments _that_ seriously! As far as I know they see Vern Cotter (and heaven knows he knows a thing about coaching underdogs) as their World Cup coach.

      I was just referring to Eddie’s remarkable ability to get teams to succeed in the World Cup.

      But fwiw I am quite excited to see what Vern Cotter can bring to Fiji especially now that basically their whole first team is playing in the French league, and they showed a lot of potential in the World Cup – it really sucked that they all got COVID and could not play the major European teams in the Autumn Cup.

  • Reds Revival

    I know this is old news, but am I the only one who was gobsmacked by the John Eales Medal voting?? Are the team voting on this year, or 2019? There was not one new face in the Top 5 votes. The fans were scratching their heads with many of Hooper’s on field decisions, and the team have obviously rallied around him. And Reece Hodge? You would have to think that he scored sympathy votes from his team mates every time he missed a decider. He almost George Costanza’d the JEM!
    Rennie obviously has a bigger job on his hands if the team vote is based on accepting mediocrity. They just don’t have a winning mentality.

    • formerflanker

      “The fans were scratching their heads with many of Hooper’s on field decisions, and the team have obviously rallied around him.”
      Perhaps the players’ votes were for Hooper’s play. He seemed to be everywhere and performed all the tasks – tackling, hit ups, quick arrival at the breakdown. As a player you see Hooper up close during a lot of the game so of course you will reward his enormous motor and courage with post-match votes.
      To insinuate that the John Eales medal was a sympathy vote is drawing a very long bow.

      • Reds Revival

        You may be right FF, but when we were discussing the contenders on the forum previously, neither Hooper, Koirobete, or Hodge were even mentioned, so they certainly came out of left field from the punters perspective.

        • Patrick

          Koirobiete probably should have been, when he’s on he does the 1%s like no-one else besides Hooper and he also smashes his day job.

        • UTG

          Perhaps the thoughts of those on here are just incredibly warped?

          I mean anyone who thinks that Hooper makes the decisions to take three points on his own either doesn’t know anything about professional rugby or is incredibly biased.

        • Yowie

          Perhaps the thoughts of those here are just incredibly warped?

          No, I did a poll of GAGR commenters and 100% of respondents say their own opinion is pretty sensible.

      • Yowie

        To insinuate that the John Eales medal was a sympathy vote is drawing a very long bow.

        One more “draw” for the Wallabies season perhaps.

    • idiot savant

      Do they release all the votes? Id like to know where Phillip and White finished.

      • Brumby Runner

        I believe Nic White finished 4th or maybe 5th. Matt wasn’t in the top 5 officially but was miles ahead on my reckoning.

      • Reds Revival

        The voting results were as follows;
        Hooper 91 votes
        Koroibete 88
        Slipper 79
        White 61
        Hodge 56

        • idiot savant

          Thanks. Slipper would’ve won it if he hadn’t got injured.

        • Who?

          Hooper was far from terrible, but wasn’t our most valuable player. Koroibeter was MILES from our best player…
          Slips is justified, as is White. Wilson won the new talent award, but should’ve been higher. As should Paisami. And Phillip should be top three at worst.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Mate it’s a popularity contest, not a true vote on ability or impact of the player. Speaks more to the culture of the team than anything else

    • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

      Hooper has been the most consistent, however will struggle to make a World XV side even as reserve to the reserve today. That is why we are ranked 5th – we have no world class players – however it is difficult to shine in a team that is to playing that well. Although we had the benefit of playing all our tests at home in the Tri-nations we still managed to come last and record a new record loss against NZ. We put a lot of faith on the win and draw against a NZ side that has been uncharacteristically inconsistent in 2020.

    • UTG

      Hodge was nowhere near winning. He rightfully came in fifth on the back of the fact that he guided the team to the only win of the season a week after the biggest ever loss to NZ.

  • Huw Tindall

    Well it looks like the old 486 in Matt’s basement is finally being shut down and the GAGR site is being retired. Sad days! Will miss the banter and insight here. Top community where the chat was all in good fun, even when it was about Quade Cooper or Michael Hooper. For some of the old timers on the forums why not come over to Twitter. Pretty decent rugby community there and you’ll even get to chat with Rugby Reg and Nick Wasiliev and the crew! Hoss may battle with the character limit on a Twitter post though!

    • Who?

      We might need some clarity on that? I’ve never listened to the pod… But the @GAGR twitter account says:

      Rumours of total GAGR demise are a little hasty. We’re taking a break over Xmas and will see what the new year brings.— Green and Gold Rugby (@GAGR) December 17, 2020

      Clarity may be needed – hopefully we won’t have to wait too long.

      • Huw Tindall

        Urgh right well that’s a turnaround on their own Twitter then. Will wait for further direction. Now time to enjoy some cricket.

        • Who?

          Can’t do that… Channel 7. I don’t know why, but they ruin everything. I’ve go a sneaking suspicion it’s something to do with Bruce. I can’t stand Bruce…
          Seriously, I don’t know why any sport ever signs with 7. ATCC? Died. Moved to 10, became V8SuperCar. Moved back to 7, died. Moved back to 10, improved again. Cricket? Big Bash BOOMED on 10. Moved to 7, now apparently – according to 7 – it’s trash. 7 has a fantastic track record of buying the best programming and then doing their utmost to destroy it… I’m very glad that Rugby left 7 years ago now, and that they’ve not gone back.

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    France won’t beat NZ when it counts. They’ve proven that a number of times and the only time they did, they didn’t get where they wanted anyway. A bit like England at last RWC, they have 1 good game in them and they chose the wrong time to play it.

    • Yowie

      It’s an oldie that gets wheeled out every World Cup Re the French by hack journalists, but I do like the expression “the Soufflé only rises once”

    • Who?

      Think they beat NZ the last time the RWC was held in France… :-
      That was a sad day for us all. :-(

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        Yeah but in Wales and I’m conveniently forgetting that. Merry Christmas mate

  • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

    With four of the Top 5 rated teams on the one side of the draw, this is not a draw that will ensure that the best teams will meet each other in the semi-finals and finals. However, as we have seen in the past an easy passage to the final can be counterproductive once you hit the knock out stages.

    • Who?

      Worth remembering that, in 3 of the last 4 RWC finals, one of the finalists didn’t top their pool, and in 2 of those 4 both finalists came from the same pool. SA didn’t top their pool in 2019 (NZ did, and didn’t make the final), 2015 was a throwback to sides winning all games to make the final (topping different pools – Australia and NZ), 2011 both teams were in the one pool (NZ and France), and ditto 2007 (SA and England – also worth noting that the Bronze game also featured two teams from a single pool, being a replay of the opening match of the tournament, with hosts France again losing to Argentina).

  • Reds Revival

    Since everyone is still commenting (while GAGR is still running), I read on ESPN that JOC2.0 is looking for a release from the Reds to go and play at the Chiefs in NZ. Apparently, he wants to test himself against a higher standard.
    If it’s true, it’s a bit of a slap in the face for both RA and the Reds, especially since he was accepted back to the Reds to try and “right the wrongs” of his previous stint.
    From the Reds perspective, I’m guessing that Bryce Hegarty would get the gig, with Hamish Stewart as his understudy. Probably a bit too soon to be bringing Tom Lynagh into the discussion.

    • Yowie

      Apparently, he wants to test himself against a higher standard.

      The joke is on JOC. I didn’t see the Chiefs or any Kiwi super team in the finals this year.

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    I always forget those mate. Merry Christmas to you and yours buddy

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