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A night of records in Perth

A night of records in Perth

61,241 people rocked up to watch a rugby union game in Perth. Only Ed Sheeran has seen this kind of support in the city, and the Wallabies did not disappoint. The 47-26 win now etched in the record books as the most points any Wallaby team has scored against the All Blacks. It was not all great, with Australia never dominating the breakdown and the All Blacks still scoring 2 second half tries while a man down.

First Half (16-12)

In the first half Australia launched 27 attacks, yet lost the ball 10 times. With a few minutes until half-time, first Kerevi and then Beale opted to take contact instead of pass to a man in space. We will want to see these inaccuracies ironed out before Japan. However the All Blacks for 40 minutes hardly made any play. The did however pounce well to score 2 tries.

Second half (31-14)

Just before half time Scott Barrett was sanctioned with a Red card for a direct shoulder charge with no arms to the neck area . Under current World Rugby directives, that is a clear red. I am not so sure the spectacle benefits from this call, but these directives are about more than the game on telly. Either way the second half was always going to be tought going for the Kiwi’s.  Australia kept creating chances and only lost 3 balls in the second half while on attack. I do not think the red card had an influence on the outcome, because Australia in the first half already created so many more opportunities than the All Blacks.

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The Game Changer 

3 moments stand out:

  • Kerevi and Beale both butchering tries in first half.
  • Barret red card (obviously)
  • Australia not fielding an All Black restart to let in a try in the second half.

The G&GR MOTM

Beale did great things. Hooper was like a pitbull and really set the attitude from the Wallabies. White brought spark, but my man of the match is the silent assassin. Lilealifano is the difference between the teams, because he is a real 10 who decides where to play. You do not win a world cup without a tactical 10 in good form. In Christian , Australia has a chance. He is Australia’s rugby IQ.

RWC Watch

James O’ Connor put his hand up in a massive way. This is going to cause some moving of the furniture in the Wallaby pecking order..

AUSTRALIA 47

Tries: Hodge 2, Salakaia-Loto, White, Koroibete, Beale
Cons: Lealiifano 2, Toomua 2
Pens: Lealiifano 3

NEW ZEALAND 26

Tries: Lienert-Brown, Ioane, B Barrett, Laumape
Cons: Mo’unga 3
Red Card: S Barrett

 

  • Moose

    Wow, couple of missed conversions go over and Wobblies would’ve put 50 on them. Go hard next week lads! Yeeeeeeeee!

  • RedsFanDan

    Turned the game on just in time to see the ABs score a try off a forward pass and thought I knew what sort of game this was going to be. Then the third AB in just over two years tried to kill a man on the field. Barrett joins Moody and Sonny Bill with a pretty nasty headshot on the rap sheet.

    Interesting to see that the ABs can be put off their game. All it takes is an early red card, 30 points and a bunch of monstrous tackles.

    Some positives for me.

    1. That is the first time in living memory that we have properly punished the ABs for being a man down. It’s helped us win but it hasn’t kept them out of the game before now.
    2. Coleman is a monster in defence, rag dolling guys, busting through the blockers surrounding the catcher on a kick.
    3. We kept the ABs to ~30% possession. They let in some tries they wouldn’t normally have because they were knackered. More of that needed.
    4. No team in world rugby performs well when their breakdown and 9 are under pressure. We figured it out tonight, we need to keep that up.

  • Simon

    That tackle where Hooper got hit by 3 ABs simultaneously, and all 3 of them were to his neck or head… ABs could have been down to 12 from that alone.

    • Steve

      Would have been at least one down for 10 in most other matches

    • Who?

      Given that was at the 8th minute and they were warned, no one can be surprised that Garces had the courage to go with the WR direction and pull out the Red.

    • I agree 100% – they were looking break Hooper in the nastiest way and there should have been more made of it at the time.

    • Andrew Kennett

      There also was Savea hitting him in the back of the heas that only got a stern word from the ref – I suppose it shows how highly the ABs rate Hooper, they will push the boundaries to take him out of the game

  • Jason

    To my mind the biggest change from that game to all the other games we’ve played against New Zealand is:
    1) No Foley;
    2) two genuine ball carriers in the centers;
    3) an organiser at 13 who makes sure Kerevi doesn’t just run it every time (as much as that is surprisingly effective);
    4) set piece, particularly our lineout; and lastly
    5) actually making the gain line.

    • Seb V

      Biggest change was we now have a tight five that can compete physically in general play, as well as be strong in the set-piece.
      Plus No Foley ;)

    • ALJ

      6) the improvement in Hooper’s leadership and cool headedness is really quite incredible

      • disqus_NMX

        7) Lots of low tackling around the guts, stopping them in their tracks. And often gang tackling where the first tackler tackles low, and the second wraps up the ball.

  • Khun Pugwash

    Well done Wallabies! Well done indeed.

  • UTG

    Hahahaha, ABs by 30 my arse. Completed dominant in every facet irrespective of the

  • Tim

    What a game! I am so pleased for the boys!!!
    To me it highlighted Australia can play with the big boys.
    some things to talk about

    1) That red card honestly very disappointing should have been a yellow. I do understand the rules of the game but still it did ruin the game for me.
    2) Watching a game like that when everyone picked up I thought it highlighted that Lukhan Salakaia-Loto and Hodge both shouldn’t be there.
    3) We played well in patches but terrible in some others. A great side should have put NZ to the sword. We failed to do so.
    4) JOC played well but as the NZ 13 went off with a hamstring injured he didnt actually get tested that much.
    5) Our bench actually came on and played well. Coleman and Thor dammmmm
    6) This win will only mean something if we take it to them next week.
    7) Well played boys.

    • UTG

      Hodge shouldn’t be there?

      What?

      • laurence king

        Everybody played well, not a fan of Hodge, but he did some great things tonight….and while LSL is not in my opinion a 6, he is a beast and he played a great game

        • idiot savant

          Hodge is a smart footballer. His biggest drawback as a winger is a lack of speed. But he does everything else pretty well. Sometimes a smart footballer is a better option than just a quicker player. Particularly when he is able to kick gaols from 50 metres out.

        • laurence king

          Yes, agree, and he’s a bloke who always plays his heart out and while I would prefer Banks (he is in the 23 anyway) I am pleased for the young man

        • Steve

          I agree.
          I would have had Hodge in my 23 for the last few years but playing him out of position doesn’t help him.

        • Max Graham

          Banks did nothing except miss tackles and make poor defensive reads. He is an awful winger – good fullback though. Hodge had a blinder today. Last week he was good too.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          He had about 8 minutes at the end and the ball never came to him. How can one even begin to evaluate him as a winger off that?

        • Max Graham

          His right wing became a freeway directly due to his errors. His left wing became a freeway. He’s either fullback or in the stands I reckon. He’s not a winger – certainly not yet anyway.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I agree he had a shocker defensively. However, Hodge has had plenty of those, and if you could get either Banks or Hodge on the outside of the last defender, which would it be? One of them is likely to burn virtually every guy on the field, the other is not.

        • laurence king

          Actually, I think Banks was put in rather bad positions when he missed a couple of tackles, once he had 3 guys coming at him. And Hodge missed a few as well. Hard to develop your game when your sitting on the pine.

        • Max Graham

          You’d want to drop Hodge after his last two games? I’ve never been a fan of Hodge, but he’s killing it at the moment. It would make just as much sense to replace Koroibete with Banks, DHP or Maddocks.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I don’t think Hodge was very good in previous weeks. Banks was in much better form over the super season.

        • Max Graham

          Hodge has been excellent two weeks in a row at test level. I don’t know if it’s a good idea to drop him for a bloke who had form playing a different position at a lower level; especially as Banks’ missed 3 tackles from 3 attempts on the weekend. He’s a good player but he’s not a winger and I really want us to win on the weekend.

        • Max Graham

          And….. attack is just half the game and pace is only one thing a winger needs. Banks has not much time on the wing so I’m not sure why he warrants a call up; especially over players in career best form.

      • OnTheBurst

        Yeah i thought Hodge was excellent tonight. He’s not super fast but he brings a lot, not to mention the cannon boot which is priceless

        • UTG

          His line kicking is such a benefit. He’s always been pretty decent for the Wallabies at 14. Played there last time we beat the ABs and ran away for the first try as well.

        • Greg

          He has a great long boot…. but was short on some attacking penalties today as well. We ended up on the 22 rather than the 5m line. There was some discussion here re accuracy a while back. Perhaps some practice during the week.

        • idiot savant

          He has always made less distance than his boot should. He kicks it a long way but it goes further into the stands than it does forward. Banks makes many more forward metres even though he cant kick it as far. Byrne really needs to work harder with Hodge’s alignment in line kicking.

        • joy

          Banks is very accurate and has the speed to be a better winger.

    • Ryanno

      “A great side should have put NZ to the sword. We failed to do so.”

      Haha. I hope you are taking the piss. That’s a record fucking score tonight. No other team in over 100 years of NZ rugby has put that many points on them.

      • Seb V

        I think the point difference is more important… but even that was 21 points… a bloody good job (only thing I was disappointed about was the try off kick-off)

    • Seb V

      Hodge played his heart out? Best game by him in a long time?

    • joy

      Point 6: The record 47 points we put on them will take decades to break.

    • Who?

      To be fair to JOC, I think Laumape/ALB is a better combo than ALB/Goodhue. I think Laumape/Goodhue is better again (ALB’s better at 13 than 12), but it wasn’t a terrible centre pairing. They just didn’t see that much ball. And what they did, JOC handled well. He organized the end of the line well, other than the first try.
      Also worth noting, we got lucky on that first try. Leali’ifano’s pass, the dropped intercept… Could so easily have been points the other way.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I actually think ALB/Goodhue is the best. Laumape does some great things but god he makes some bad decisions, including that pointless kick that killed off all comeback momentum. From memory, weren’t the All Blacks leading until Goodhue left the field? Goodhue’s kick was lucky, but was the result of having two super clever centres at 12 and 13.

        Laumape would be a better wing option than either Reiko or Smith at the moment though.

    • Howard

      Agree on LSL, but I thought Hodge was very good, and I was a critic before this game

  • Greg

    Congrats to the Wobs and thanks for the very quick write up.

    Of course, we all knew that they would win.

    A few thoughts…..

    1. The black 9 has a mouth on him…. he never shut up. Was he asking the way to the disabled loo?
    2. I thought the black 6 was lucky not to get a yc. I think three penalties and the silly carry on with hooper.
    3. I thought the red card was required. Teh ref stepped through the flow chart… and had no choice. What is teh holdiay that now follows?

    and…..
    4. we made lots of mistakes. knock-ons, some dropped ball, struggling with that short kick-off, some aimless kicks. We were luckjy not to pay.
    5. some missed tackles but also some very dominant tackles.
    6. Latu kept his cool!
    7. our centres did well
    8. White played very well…. but was missing behind the ruck a few times.
    9. I think Foley might be done. A very strong game from 10. He steered us around the park with a lot of thought and calm.
    10. and… we mostly took the ball to ground when we needed to rather than passes that couldn’t work.

    Congrats to the boys. Well played. Have a few beers (don’t drive/park please) and then get ready for next week. It is going to be hard.

  • laurence king

    Whaahooo, finally. Well the beer didn’t curdle in my tummy tonight. Ferocious intensity by the forwards, some real smarts in the 9 and 10, good defence, O’Connor, and Beale’s best game in a long, long time and Koriabete earned his keep tonight

  • Bobas

    Koroibete put on a faultless display of positional play. He was head and shoulders above anyone else IMO.

    • laurence king

      He had a great game, his best imo for the Wallabies

      • disqus_NMX

        The look of shock on both the Nearlies and the Wallabies forwards’ faces when he pick and drove for that try was priceless. The Nearlies were like – how did we leave that hole. The Wallabies were like – wtf, where did he come from.

    • Seb V

      Awesome game by him

    • Who?

      We’ve been absolutely right to call him out the last couple of years. He wasn’t near ready. But his improvement this year… It’s all clicked, and his selection every game has been more than worthy. He’s finally more than reaching the potential that was seen in him (by Cheika, if I recall correctly? I’ve given Cheika a hard time for years, so it’s only fair to give credit where it’s due).
      Just a shame that Marika’s off overseas next year, isn’t he…?

      • UTG

        He was good in ‘17, dropped off last year with injury.

        • Who?

          He didn’t understand his positioning at all in 17. His effort’s always been good, he just didn’t know the game well enough.
          That’s now changed. He’s even learned how to pass, and has sent multiple players in for tries this year. That development should be acknowledged. :-)

        • UTG

          Disagree, in ‘17 he was legitimately good in the role they played him in. Basically, a traditional defensive winger who would stand on the end of the line and cover his opposite or the 15 if he was in the line. Last year they tried to use his speed and employ him defensively in the 13 channel more and he wasn’t really ready for it.

        • Who?

          He still didn’t know how to kick or pass. Whereas tonight, in the first 2 minutes he put in perhaps the best kick he’s ever made, followed by his traditional chase. He’s a much more rounded player, one not limited to a particular role, and I’m impressed with his growth.

        • UTG

          Completely agree he’s better rounded now and much improved, I just think he was still pretty good in his debut Wallaby season.

        • laurence king

          His not being asked to be in 10 different places in defense has possibly made a difference as well, and that comes down to off-loading Foley

        • Who?

          Agree, although, to be fair, Foley did primarily defend in the line against the Bokke (and for the Tahs). Grey changed the system regardless of personnel this year. And not having to hide Beale shuffling back from 12 helps, too.

        • Brumby Runner

          Precisely. Off loading Foley and ditching the Grey barn dance have both contributed to a better performing backline, including Koroibete.

  • Hitcho

    Big improvement Wallabies, good win.

    So Rugby Australia, is WA worth investing in?

    • Steve

      Well said, thanks to WA for showing up for the Wallabies tonight!!!

    • AllyOz

      if that is the result we’re going to get we should play all home games in Perth. I will save up my money and fly over when I can.

    • Sure is. WA and The Force should be in and the Rebels (Victoria) out. WA has a passion for Rugby with South African (WA residents) support. Victorians in fairness will support a big game such as The Lions or The ABS but they have no real interest or passion. AFL is a great game and it is theirs.

  • OnTheBurst

    Well… bend me over and rodger me with a kiwi, HOW GOOD WAS THAT!!!!!

    Quick thoughts:

    * Wow, Nic White. He was a total live wire and kept the AIBs guessing the whole time. With performances like tonight, he is first choice 9. Genia is class but he has lost that kind of zip. Not to mention that Genia kicked the ball away with 10 mins to go, hot on attack, 30 metres out, 1 man advantage… HOLD THE BALL MAN FFS

    * Lock in LiLo at 10 for RWC. Foley doesn’t make the plane for me. Two Cows stepped up tonight coming off the bench, with him + JOC and Beale, Foley is left right out.

    * I owe Beale an apology, I think he’s been poor at times this year, but he is getting better with every Test and he was brilliant tonight. Important that we continue to give Banks minutes though, as he is the future and we want to build confidence in him.

    * JOC – how good was The Brand. I feel for Kuridrani but JOC brings more to the table. He was a cracker tonight.

    * Front row – holy shit that was an awesome defensive performance in particular. And Latu

    * Rory Arnold in particular was brilliant in the 2nd row. He’s a massive loss next year.

    * Hooper – he gets rubbished far too much by punters and on this website, but wow, he just brings so much heart to the team.

    * Red card – it was no arms, to the head, with force. I understand Barrett will say there were mitigating circumstances, but you cannot for a second blame Garces for showing the red there.

    GO YOU GOOD THINGS!

    • OnTheBurst

      Oh – I forgot to mention, how good was Koroibete, a constant threat with ball in hand, well-positioned in defence, a smart pick and go at the ruck for a try… take a bow that man!

      • Dud Roodt

        For me it was between White and Koreibete for MOTM

      • Mica

        AND (surprisingly) a really clever kick down the touchline with two tackles to first stop the fullback and then push the support into touch. Really classy play that one.

    • Seb V

      Beale was only ‘brilliant’ in the second half – where he had more space and became threatening with ball in hand – I still have my doubts about him. Especially his poor kicking option which led to the All Blacks try in the first half.

    • Who?

      To be fair to Genia, he made the right call kicking the ball away. His error was not finding touch. Both teams were just about out on their feet, but the ABs had created the mess and were looking better set to take advantage. We needed a set piece to catch our breath and reset.

      • OnTheBurst

        Not sure I agree. We were making good yard up the paddock with every phase, we should have backed ourselves and put a foot on the throat. Banks was lined up outside who was fresh. Would the ABs think to kick in that position? Doubt it.

        • OnTheBurst

          And if it was actually Genia’s plan to find touch, it was horribly executed and almost gave away an ABs counterattacking try

        • Who?

          I agree he didn’t get the length and bounce, he didn’t execute. We were making ground, but we were running out of players. We needed the break. We just didn’t get it til Genia regathered the next kick and knocked it on…

      • AllyOz

        Fully agree – right decision, right angle on the kick, it just lacked the depth.

    • idiot savant

      Actually I thought White really struggled with the pace of the game in the first 15 minutes. He missed and was late to quite a few rucks. But when the speed came off his all court game really became a weapon.

    • ALJ

      Foley cannot execute that game plan. Full credit to cheika and the other selectors in making the change

    • Fully agree with you. Great comments.

  • Fatflanker

    Hey ,let’s not get carried away. We left some points out there and that’ll cost us against a tier one team!! Haha, sorry KRL – but nice to see your boys doing the walk of shame through an Aussie airport for once!

    Well done Wallabies and fair play to Cheika and his support staff too.

  • Nutta

    Hey All

    Firstly, shame on me for not having more faith. Thoughts in no particular order:

    We have a good front row there including the replacements.

    We have 3 goods locks in Coleman, Arnold and Rodda. Rodda put in a huge shift.

    I still think LSL is a weakness

    White played really well as did L’fano as a flat, pace setting link-set

    Kevy had his best game in gold 12
    JOC added some very valuable distribution and was defensively strong

    Kbeti was very busy and more effective as was Hodge.

    Disappointed in Beale positioning leading to the late AB’s try but in general a strong game.

    I thought Barrett’s card was warranted in context of recent rulings. But I thought not then taking the mid-field scrum at 38min vs a team retreating and now down a lock was an error. That shows a little trepidation is still there.

    I thought Ginea and especially Toomau’s impact off the bench was fantastic.

    All up a great gutsy win built of smart distribution and trust. The effect of an absence of pointless kicking was phenomenal and particularly when we went back to it under fatigue at about 70min – it was the only time the AiB were allowed into the game.

    Now can they do it twice?

    • Who?

      Oh, but Nutta, can you imagine how glorious it would’ve been if he’d managed to catch Mo’unga there?! I can’t think of many scarier thoughts than having a 135kg prop chasing his own grubber hoping for a good bounce when you’re an 80kg 10! Poor little Richie would’ve been little more than powder in the turf!

      • Phil Kcraig

        Tupou’s grubber kick was actually tactically ok….many forget Tupou actually has some agility and speed for a prop

        • Brumby Runner

          It at least got past the legs of the first opposition player, something very few of our No 10s have been able to do as far back as Bernie Larkham. One good bounce and it would have been contestable as well.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Salakaia-Loto was brilliant when it came to doing stuff he does well, in terms of running tight, attacking in the central pod and hitting offensive rucks. Unfortunately, he is terrible at defensive rucks given his height and figure, doesn’t have the speed in defence (e.g. Barret’s try) and lacks the ball skills of a 6.

      Both our last two wins against the All Blacks have been hugely influenced by his ball-running in tight in the second halves. However, it just underscored how he should be our reserve lock, not our starting 6.

      • Nutta

        Cheks – or someone in the Wobbly set up – is trying to find their 6. First it was Hannigan and now it’s LSL. Well given we shafted and exited Fardy, LFG and Macca, and we have the likes of Jones, Samu, Dempsey and McCafe (my preferred) on-hand, I simply don’t get why we preserve with LSL at 6. He runs too high and is susceptible to both strip and ‘maul-call’ by good defences. He isn’t defending like Rodda/Coleman/Arnold. He isn’t a fetcher. He is not a clear jumper. He isn’t a mobile baller backrower. So I just don’t get it other than sheer size.

  • Greg

    So….. perhaps the selection team is having some influence after all!

    • Dud Roodt

      Well all I know is the most important thing to never, ever, under any circumstances, give Cheika any credit at all.
      Even if the performance is perfect, find a way to criticise Cheika

      • Who?

        Performance wasn’t perfect. But Cheika’s new system is definitely working better than what he’s previously dished up.
        .
        The good thing about being a realist (I know, you’d say a pessimist) is that, when you’re wrong, you’re happy. And when you’re right, you might be unhappy, but at least you’re right. :-P
        .
        P.S. – note below where I gave credit to Cheika for recruiting Koroibete, as Marika’s now developed into a quality wing. Something that I didn’t consider a guaranteed thing, and something that seemed more distant than ever late last year. Credit where it’s due.

        • laurence king

          CLL has made an incredible difference to this side or/and Foley’s absence. And White as well

        • UTG

          You could tell CLL was playing well when Coles tried to put a cheap shot on him late in the first half that kept him down for a while.

        • laurence king

          Interesting question, will CLL’s game tonight help Cheika realise the need of a 10 who plays on the advantage line, because Foley doesn’t and Quade does

        • AllyOz

          I was surprised (and I am not sure why I was) at his toughness. I know he is mentally tough but there were a couple of times where he took crash balls on the edge of the ruck and got monstered and just got up and dusted himself off.

          However, there was a couple of times when one of the tight five passed from the base of the ruck to CLL to take a crash ball. Not sure that is going to work too often.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          We are playing more off 9 now. Makes sense, given White is a better player than any of our 10s. So is Genia.

        • Phil Kcraig

          Chieka has also proven with performances by White, JOC etc that were investing bringing back players from overseas has been worthwhile pursuit….

        • Howard

          Was it Cheika who chased White and the Brand to come back? If so he deserves some credit, they were both very good last night

        • Who?

          Only thing that counts against Cheika is that his disinterest in White was what pushed Nic overseas to begin it all.

      • Huw Tindall

        Giving Bernie the flick may have been the right call……

        • AllyOz

          We don’t seem to be as structured as we were before. But so far we’ve had a dodgy game against SA (with Foley), an improved but far from faultless game against Argentina and then one out of the box against NZ. We need to back it up next week but it’s certainly looking better and will improve confidence but confidence can disappear pretty quickly on a cold wet night at Eden Park.

        • Andy

          LLF looks a different player post cancer (imo). Just really not scared to have a go and seems really comfortable leading from the front. something i think Foley has really struggled with. He’s almost damaged goods imo. Not a bad player like some would suggest, but just a guy with a lot of scars wearing gold.

          I think having him at 10 also makes Beale’s job easier. He can now just focus on being the best 15 he can be without having to try and always be in the front line helping out no.10 which I don’t think he’s great at doing. And he has been very decent the past 2 games with LLF at 10.

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Guess we’ll never know if he’d have stuck with Spanners over Lilo without the panel.

      • Greg

        Honestly, that wasn’t what I was thinking about. A team will so often do better than individual. When you are a one man band and you are in a hole… It’s often not clear what the way out of it is.

  • Scrums stats, round 3 match 1.

    There were only 9 scrums awarded, plus 5 times advantage was awarded and taken.

    NZ took advantage 3 times, scoring 5 points, for 1.67 points per advantage. Australia took advantage twice, and scored 0 points.

    Of the 9 scrums, there were 3 resets, 33.3%. There was 1 penalty (11.1%) and 8 clean wins (88.9%). Of those clean wins, 4 (44.4%) were with the front rows down, and 4 (44.4%) were with the front rows up. A little oddity – all the front row up wins were by NZ after they were down to 14 players.

    Australia had 1x penalty, 1x 9 pass and 1x 8 pass. NZ had 2x 9 passes and 4x 8 passes – these 8 passes all came after Barrett was sent off (and for the pedants they were by a player wearing 6 but binding at 8).

    Personally, as part of his overall poor game IMO, Garces didn’t award a second penalty to Australia, that’s the 9 pass. The 8 pass is a scrum that the AB demolished, pretty much that arguably should have been a penalty to them.

    I’m not sure if the lower rate of scrum resets in this match is meaningful – there was a low number of scrums and there were a lot of wins with the front rows down that a different referee could have called as a reset. It only takes one of those for the reset rate to be back up to the mid-40’s where every other match involving Australia has been. I’m not saying that should have happened, in at least two, the ball was clearly available and it was the right call, just pointing out with a low number of scrums it’s a bit of lottery.

    I’d suggest, while the outcomes are not that meaningful, the number of times the AB fed the scrum or won and took advantage (9) compared to that for the Wallabies (5) is reflective of the amount of time they defended, and forced errors, or there was a skill failure. I wouldn’t say that was the case in the AB vs Bokkes game last week, where both sides dropped the pill cold so it’s not a reliable indicator.

    I know when you’re down to 7 forwards the plan of ball in, strike, get it out fast is drilled into you. The AB didn’t mess it up once from four tries. Once they struck a bit too hard and the ball shot out and passed Savea. He turned around, picked it up and passed to the backs like it was the plan. No pressure on him. Actually they were the best looking scrums of the match. Kudos to their tight five, whoever the players in that tight five were. WTF were the Wallabies tight five doing that they couldn’t disrupt one of those scrums though?

    I will update with the stats from the Argentina vs SA and England vs Wales games over the course of the weekend.

    • idiot savant

      Actually the Wallabies drove the ABs backwards on a number of scrums. Garces was not in a mood to give scrum penalties. And as you say the ABs went for super quick channel 1 ball after Barrett left the field. The AB front row also collapsed at least twice without penalty before Barret departed. The Wallabies were the dominnat scrum and would have won penalties from other referees.

      • Ah, my definition of a clean win isn’t about if the scrum is going backwards, forwards or sideways, it’s about if the pick up (by whoever) and subsequent play gets them to the gain line or not.

        Judging a “dominant scrum” and other such things I think is tricky for a number of reasons, so I’m not doing that. For one, you typically get one, often bad, TV angle which might tell the whole story but probably doesn’t. For a second, a scrum that’s going backwards might look impressive, but if the ball emerges cleanly and they get forward momentum, so what?

        There are definitely times when it matters, if you can shunt their scrum backwards over their try line to score, that’s great. But a lot of the rest of the time, it’s largely inconsequential unless something else comes of it.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Great work Eloise thanks for that. Interesting points there.

  • Greg

    interesting game report here https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/114909151/scott-barrett-red-carded-as-all-blacks-get-thrashed-by-wallabies-in-perth

    including….. “Lock Barrett, who was sent off for ramming his shoulder into the neck of Wallabies captain Michael Hooper in the 40th minute, has ensured the All Blacks will be under the microscope ahead of, and during, the global tournament in Japan”

    • Who?

      Worst thing is that he didn’t need to be there. If he doesn’t go in, what happens differently? Other than he stays on the field? Does Hooper take longer to get to ground? Does Hooper get away an offload? Do the Wallabies get quicker ruck ball? No, to all counts. Instead, there’s an extra defender in the line to deal with that fast ruck ball. The decision by Barrett to enter the contact zone – let alone with a tucked arm to the head of the opponent – and directly in front of the ref, who had a better view than any of the TV cameras – was just outright poor.

  • Steve

    A game of two halves surely, but at least the second half was about by the wallabies scoring tries out wide when opposition are down a man. I haven’t see that in a long time.

    The red card was a red any weekend in super rugby this year, the ref was left with no choice.

    The first half the wallabies were suffering from players playing out of position still.

    Hodge is useful as a utility, not a wing. He butchered a first half try, but scored the easy ones. He could do what he did off the bench.

    O’Connor was struggling at 13 but he came good. Maybe it was having some more time and space to work in. Still he proved he is class and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt… which is a change all of its own.

    Beale was still hit or miss at 15… he is a mile ahead of having Folau at 15, but I can’t help but think of what Banks could do with 60 mins.

    • UTG

      How is it a game of two halves when we won both halves?

      This is a low effort troll post if ever I’ve seen one.

      • Steve

        Quite the opposite to trolling, and actually considered comments.

        A game of two halves in that the ABs scored twice and we continued to lose the ball and make mistakes constantly in the first half. Read the review above it sums it up well. The game could have ended very differently if not for the red card.

        The comments come from the amount of yelling I was doing at the screen for the first half.

        Still as I said we really made the most of our opportunity in the second half and actually made the All Blacks pay which was great to see.

        • UTG

          They scored twice against the run of play. One was a arguably a forward pass (according to stuff.nz at least). We were clearly dominant in just about all facets in the first half.

          Honestly, the self-flagellating from Wallaby fans is so boring.

        • Steve

          The ABs have made their game about scoring against the run of play for a long time now, and we keep giving them opportunities to do it.

          I am excited by the win but don’t expect me to believe all of the problems of the last few years have been removed in one game.

        • UTG

          I mean there’s wariness that next week will be a much tougher challenge and there’s absurd negativity like “game of two halves”.

          Completely happy for the ABs to try and score tries against the run of play when their pack is getting beaten up across the park and their backs are running sideways.

        • laurence king

          It was indeed a game of two halves. In the first half, it was hard as nails and we came out on top and the 2nd half we benefited from our first half effort. Our team would have gained a tremendous amount of confidence not only from that game, but especially the first half when they stood toe to toe with the ABs and prevailed.

        • UTG

          Agree with that assessment but what people call a game of two halves is a game in which one side is dominant in the first half and the other is dominant (usually more dominant) in the 2nd. We were dominant in both halves, therefore, not a game of two halves vis a vis the usual definition.

        • laurence king

          Yes, totally agree, I was being tongue in cheek. I think I might watch replays all night

        • UTG

          Waiting for the gif of Kerevi bumping Beauden. Will be in every montage for the next 20 years.

        • Who?

          I was waiting for all the whining when he didn’t give the ball to White before Laumape had a go at him… Which was always the right call. Because had he not forced Laumape to come at him (Kerevi), then Laumape would’ve swallowed White whole. Everyone always proclaims Kerevi to be a ball hog. I think he’s just unwilling to pass to someone who isn’t clearly in a better position than himself. That’s admirable – players should never transfer pressure.
          .
          And given the way he shreds tacklers, you’ve got to be pretty open to be in a better position than Samu. :-P

        • UTG

          I made a similar comment at the time, perfectly executed by Samu because Laumape had White covered.

          Very sad we’ll miss him next year.

        • Huw Tindall
        • Parker

          Call me a literalist, but isn’t it always a game of two halves? Otherwise it would be half a game. ;)

        • Huw Tindall

          Reiko was off side in front of Smith so even if the pass went back and Reiko reached behind him to grab it (which is what it looked like) he was offside. Offside line does just apply to kicks!

  • So, who thought picking JOC at 13 was a mistake then, or that picking a player who had “only played 13 for Sale, who the hell are they?” was wrong? While I might not pick him as MOTM (I’m going to pick White I think) I thought he made the outside backs sing and the centre pairing come alive. And Kerevi still had a great game too.

    LSL started to look good as the AB started to look tired. He did look good then, but is is enough? He was very anonymous before that. Mind you, if he gets replaced, is there enough time for whoever replaces him to get up to speed before Japan?

    The side just looks more alive with White + Lilo than it has for years, even against a full-strength AB side. It was nice to see there wasn’t such a drop off when Genia and Toomua came on, but how much of that was fatigue biting on the other side? Not going to believe Cheika will leave Foley at home just yet.

    I thought the Barrett card was the right call with the current guidelines. But overall I thought dear old Jerome had a bit of shocker.

    This was a decent performance, one to put in the scrapbook. But it needs to be backed up.

    • Who?

      Think you’re wrong about LSL, Eloise. Before the ABs looked tired, he gave them a try and made some other significant errors, too. :-)
      .
      Our last win against NZ included White in a starring cameo off the bench. Let’s not discuss what happened the next weekend when he started at Eden Park…
      .
      Jerome had no idea about directions. Penalized Latu for side entry when he was perfect, allowed Ardie to enter from everywhere (so the Wallabies did exactly the same on attacking ball in the second half), and allowed more forward passes than I could count. But he was pretty even handed in his incompetence.
      .
      Best moment of the match was when Jerome went to award a try, only to be interrupted by the TMO who wanted to tell him there was no reason not to award the try! No reason other than needing to be told that by the TMO… Only WR could implement such a system!

      • Bobas

        Our last win before tonight was 2017 in the original Aborigine strip.
        Remember the McMahon bust from the 22 to the opp. 10?

        • Who?

          Was it that recent?! Wow… Completely forgot it. So used to losing… :-(
          But that explains this being Hooper’s 3rd ever win (so, today, 2017 and 2015) out of 21 games, and Whitelock’s 5th loss out of 33 (so, today, 2017, 2015, 2011, 2010).
          I think you need to re-word ‘Indigenous’ – think the one you’ve used is considered offensive these days (my wife’s doing a Uni subject on it presently).

        • Huw Tindall

          Same game Dempsey looked world class. I think that was a better win than this TBH as the red card takes some of the gloss off. Both great wins though and tonight the guys put the dagger in during the second half so hard to ask more.

      • I’m using rhetoric to suggest I still LSL shouldn’t have been selected despite how well he seemed to perform in the last 15 minutes or so. I realise it’s a lost cause, but a 10:30 am kick off is a bit too early for me to drink along to.

        I don’t think Jerome was biased, although a Kiwi fan might say otherwise. Watching live I thought White was lucky not to see a card and a penalty try for an early tackle on the first try. On rewatching I still think he tackled him before he touched the ball, but no one even asked about it. If Savea’s shove on Hooper was a penalty, Hooper’s retaliation was a reversal for me, every time. Honestly, I’d just have ignored it all, and told them to behave at the next stoppage I think. That probably keeps Barrett on the pitch, because the Wallabies aren’t attacking down there for that shoulder charge. But the rest of it, forward passes were definitely a forgotten rule, for both sides, he only called knocks on when they dropped ball. Undoubtedly part of the reason for the low scrum count. Entry to the breakdown was randomly policed.

        It’s always hard to call scrums from home on the TV but I think there was a penalty to Australia from in front of the posts and a penalty to NZ that he missed that I’d seriously expect to see given in most matches. Again, it’s hard to be sure on lineout angles, but there quite a few that looked squint to me. Like I said, bad game for him.

        • Who?

          Sorry Eloise, we’ve crossed wires. I was saying I agreed about LSL. He was good at the end, but his work out wide wasn’t just anonymous, his dropped ball was what directly led to Ioane’s try. He’s currently a great bench lock, not as much a starting 6.
          .
          Ardie’s shove on Savea was immediately after a similarly unpunished tackle without the ball. He wasn’t great in the laws, but he was consistent in the ones he executed.

        • My bad. We had thunderstorms last night and I was cranky with a splitting headache. I should know better than to read and reply to comments.

          I am, semi-seriously, getting to the point where I think we might be stuck with LSL for all his faults though. Two more games before Fiji, three before Wales. If we swap him out, the next pick has to take to test rugby like Naisarani did. It can happen – it obviously just did with Naisarani – but it’s just not that common. If the AssClown had a better substitution policy, we might be in a better place. Hook LSL after 50, give the second choice 30 minutes each time and we might have someone where we could say “Yes, he’s got what it takes at test level.”

          I don’t mind consistency, by and large. And if it’s a referee who goes “meh” for borderline forward passes, I really don’t mind that much.

          I accept, on top of that, that referees will make mistakes. And refereeing the scrum is a nightmare. They’re standing in one place, they have one point of view and just the front rows have four bindings, four elbows, six pairs of shoulders to compare to hips vertically (for driving up or hinging) and horizontally (in the sense of boring in, swinging around and driving skew)… then there’s flankers staying bound and all the rest. So making decisions different to the fans at home is almost always a given.

          But routinely missing offences that should be penalties… and being considered an elite referee who will be blowing the whistle in Japan. WTF WR?

    • idiot savant

      JOC is a special player. He brought an inventiveness to the wing I hadnt seen before in his first stint with the Wallabies. Now it appears he is bringing a new way of paying 13 that isnt just crash it up from different angles. He can only get better.

    • Huw Tindall

      I’m putting my hand up to eat my hat over JOC at 13 Eloise. Was very skeptical. No way TK would have been able to do what he did this match.

      How good was White? Easiest MOTM decision of all time (well maybe not).

      I hope CLL runs out again next week as Bled in Eden is not a time to experiment and combinations need to grow. Foley will be in the 31 though as CLL will need a rest and Toomua hasn’t shown any form at 10 and hasn’t played there for a while more importantly!

      • It’s always a risk, but he’s played test rugby before, and I think playing in a good side – and Sale were a decent side this year – in any of the top flight NH competitions stands you in good stead to step up to play test rugby in that position. It’s not guaranteed, but with his test pedigree, I was pretty confident.

        I expect we’ll see Foley and Genia start next week, with Toomua on the bench. I think that’s a mistake – I think CLL needs the time more. Personally, I’d consider taking the risk of leaving Foley behind, but I’d have had Quade and CLL in the squad ahead of Foley from the start of the RC and I can’t see Cheika doing it however much I would.

        • idiot savant

          The Bledisloe is on the line. I dont think he can start Foley now. He would have had we lost.

        • We are talking about the same Michael Cheika?

          I really don’t think he should. But I honestly think he will.

  • skip

    That’s the first time in years the game plan and selection have been right and the skills have been at the required standard for long periods in the game. Their is much to work on but the completely bone plays of years past were much reduced.

    Anyone care to speculate what the reaction over the ditch would be if, in quick succession, a wallaby put a cheap slap on the back of their skipper’s noggin and then put a crunching shoulder hit? Whether the card ruins the match is not the point, the game has a duty of care to the players to reduce as much as possible the risks of head injury that they will have to live with for the rest of their lives and by taking this action the IRB do this and it should be supported over the short term issues of a particular game.

    • Who?

      If someone put an alleged cheap shot on the ABs skipper, they’d boo him for the next 8 years, wouldn’t they..?

      • laurence king

        Richy, the darling Patron Saint of Kiwis was a special case, you cannot compare him with mortal men

      • joy

        Good idea. “8 more years” of booing for Barrett.

    • ALJ

      People can argue all day about whether the laws are right but no-one can dispute that the referee correctly applied the rules in that situation

  • I Should be Coach

    Great game. But you know what really strikes me. Take the Aus vs Springbok game. We had a try disallowed (and another coupe of calls) go against us because the crowd got rowdy and the venue kept replaying the footage over and over again until the ref had a look and paused the game for the TMO to take a look. I was utterly pissed that AB’s got away with first try that was a forward pass. Why aren’t we being smarter at our venues. Or is it just certain refs that run around like a headless chook and get nerved out all the time.

    • ALJ

      I was watching on Fox and think I heard the TMO tell the ref that he was happy with it. Would be good to know HOW he was happy with it because it certainly looked clearly and obviously forward

      • I Should be Coach

        Yep. Definitely forward. Glad it didn’t cost us the game. It just peeves me that our stadiums don’t get take advantage of the big screen to influence things. If that happened in SA or NZ and it was our pass, my bet it would have been reviewed by TMO.

  • Larry Jorgensen

    I was there. It was West Auckland in the crowd which adds more relevance to the win I reckon. No real home town advantage.

    Great stadium for sport. Seeing the whole panorama, the Wallabies were well organised in defence, transition (particularly and especially) and attack. And, skills/execution were top level.

    Magnificent experience being surrounded by kiwis as the game progressed. Train ride home even better. A long time coming.

    Good on you green and gold. Now back it up.

    • Cole

      My sister was there tonight she calls Perth, Kiwi Bali. Good for WA rugby to have so many die hard locals regardless of the team they support, still though the all blacks chants died out before Barrett was sent off…go Wallabies!

      • AllyOz

        All there kids will be Australians if they hang around. So we can live with that.

        • Custard Taht

          With NZ eligibility.

  • idiot savant

    Hoss, you were right. The future began tonight. I had given up after 4 years of Cheik’s complete defiance. Of everything really. But Scott Johnson has really made a a difference. I had begun to think we dont have the cattle on or off the field but on tonights showing we do. That was a physical game and our boys never backed off. In fact they rammed it up them.

    Our tight five was very good. Our scrum shredded the ABs, particularly the reserves. And the ABs knew they weren’t up to it and went for super quick channel 1 ball on their put in every time. Our clean out was the best I have ever seen it. Particularly in the face of 3 open sides. Our ball retention really blew me away.

    O’Connor was an inspired choice at 13. Marika is finally delivering on his promise. CLL was calm, Kerevi was a handful, Hooper and Naisarani were effective, and the tight 5 dominated the kiwis. We played at pace without as many errors as in the past. Great job boys. Cant wait till next week.

  • Adrian

    Ha ha ha

    • laurence king

      Yes, there’s a warm fuzzy feeling inside, and it’s not just the beer

  • joy

    At last a game I can watch 50 times. Was getting tired of Campo and Ella brothers replays.

    • muppet

      BledislOprah: “YOU get 10 and YOU get 10 and YOU…”

  • Who?

    It’s really nice to be wrong. :-)
    .
    Latu, I maintain, was a selection on potential, not form (given tiny game minutes this year) or incumbency. But he played very well tonight. Our entire pack was excellent. LSL was our weakest, but that was because he’s out of position. His effort was still excellent.
    The backline wasn’t perfect, but they all gave their all, and played closer to their potential than we’ve seen for years. More cohesively than we’ve seen for years.
    .
    The frustrating thing is that, in all honestly, we’re not significantly different in selection to previous years. Yes, White/Leali’ifano/JOC. But the rest have largely been around for a while. That’s the kind of game our team has always had the potential to play! But we’ve made life more complicated for ourselves. Our game plans haven’t been effective.
    .
    There’s still room for improvement. Too often on first phase, we still just threw it to Samu, with a clear lack of support runner (i.e. no one there in support for him to slip a short ball, when there’s three ABs lined up to ensure he doesn’t get through). But we were more direct, we didn’t play too long when we weren’t going forward.
    .
    White’s sniping around the ruck was crucial – he often bought time (whilst going sideways) for forward runners to arrive whilst he’d picked up the ball early to avoid an insecure breakdown.
    It’s amazing what happens when you have a 10 whose first instinct isn’t to run himself. Christian wants to find his runners. And runners, plural.

    • Huw Tindall

      White so clearly MOTM among a bunch who stood up. His sniping aroudn the ruck drew in the 1st/2nd defender so many times it created room for the guys outside. Whole game in behind the ruck was good metres for the Wallabies. Beat the ABs up the middle and in the second half with a man down it just chewed up easy metres and drew players in allowing them to go wide. Like CLL so far but so much of the game is played of 9 against a rush defence (this is a trend the last 2 years) that he really hasn’t shown a lot. Still, I’m not rushing Foley back in. Ideally we’d have an Owen Farrell type at 10 for Australia with this style of play.

      Pity there weren’t more scrums as well as the ABs were under the pump even before they went a man down. i maintain that Moody and Franks are past their best. Set piece is OK but they offer bugger all around the ground. Compared to 7As and Tupou and even Slipper they are pretty average. Some questions for the ABs for sure.

  • Max Graham

    Okay….. I’m not one to gloat, so won’t go on and on how I told you so about Latu. That’s not my style.

    • Huw Tindall

      Sometimes smugness is deserved mate

      • Max Graham

        I wouldn’t even know how to spell smug.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      The problem with Latu is that he has been capable of that for years. I think it was against Argentina in the second half last year he was similarly good. The issues has always been that he has acted an imbecile just as often if not more so. However, if he has indeed sorted his attitude out, then he is a point of difference for the Wallabies.

  • Crescent

    Just rewatching the match so I can savour my humble pie. Was so pleasantly surprised by the performance – was just the shot in the arm I needed.

    Be interesting to see the result of the review of the red card. I recall Gardiner being hung out to dry after giving a red card in line with directives to the referees – will the powers that be do the same to Garces? For the record – I felt Garces had no choice. It fit the checklist, so had to be red.

    Plenty of improvement left in the Wallabies – still loose ball and some butchered tries in the first half in particular – so it’s not like a “perfect” Wallabies finished off a short handed AB squad.

    Nic White. Did some great stuff, but I wanted to punch you in the balls for throwing the hands up instead of putting a hit into the ball carrier. Less bitching more hitting. It could be called harsh, but I find it hard to forgive.

    Still think Beale does his best work off the pine, and need to give Banks more game time.

    Now the real test – can they put an improved performance in for the return fixture? Backing up with another strong performance will be key.

    Finally – thank you WA fans. Great show of support for the team, saw plenty of Force colours to tell the administrators they stink – so great to hear a vocal crowd getting behind the team.

  • Huw Tindall

    Some interesting questions emerging after that. Was getting shot of Larkham a good move? Was getting White and JOC back a master stroke? Any room for Poey when he’s fit? Can we clone Arnold? Hang on a second….

    I’m going to get too excited due the red (100% justified under the rules and that would have been a red for the last 2 years) BUT if you take out the Smiths forward pass to an offside Ioane, the bit of luck involved in ALBs try with Hooper and Read getting tangled then White falling over in goal, AND the lapse in concentration on the kick off to let Laumpe run in, then the ABs only scored one try off attack to BB. Hell even take one of those out and it’s a proper demolition.

    Guys I thought stood out besides White who was outstanding:
    – Marika: covered so much ground and had a lot of great touches including some great league dummy half style runs from the base of the ruck. He suddenly looks like a rugby player.
    – Kerevi: Is a freak. Does things others can’t. That run down the left was like Lomu or Naiyaravoro. That’s proper X-factor. Still a lot to work on as he butchered a try early on by not passing but such a weapon.
    – Arnold: Gonna miss him next year. For a big guy he gets through a ton of work. Easily our best lock right now.
    – Hooper: Does he have two hearts because he’s the biggest motor in the game. So much work and plenty of pestering in tight including a turnover again. Every other player must feel lazy next to him.
    – Hodge: After a couple of rough games he’s stood up. For gods sake just leave him at 14 and let him develop. He is fast enough to be a winger and has a knack of scoring tries (Rebels leading try scorer).

    Gonna have to watch a reply and think more after the beers have warn off but for now will take that. Lots of pluses out of that game and for once we aren’t going into next week looking for hail mary selection changes to make us competitive.

    • Steve

      Can we clone Arnold?

      I believe this was done at point of manufacture Huw

      • Huw Tindall

        Would have loved a Richie and Rory Wallaby combo! Surely that’s never happened?

      • laurence king

        And he’s not a bad clone either

      • joy

        Triplets?

      • Huw Tindall

        Maybe Richie Arnold is ready to come home?

    • RedAnt

      Naisarini had a really strong game too… bit of un unsung hero in my view.

  • GO THE Q REDS

    AHH such a beautiful sight to behold…… a wallabies team with real playmakers again. CL and JOC are exactly the sort of players that excel in the right areas for playmakers….. and do their part to help the team perform!
    Now all we need is Quade in the squad as legitimate cover for a CL who looks like injury is always mins away……. get rid of Toomua, get one more specialist winger in and send Foley as far from the team as humanly possible!

    • RedAnt

      Toomoua played really well when he came on…

      • Andy

        Agree. He did well late in the game

      • Who?

        Which is good, because he’s been terrible in every other game since he arrived (both Rebels and Wallabies).
        .
        I’m with GTQR – happy with Christian at 10, but it’s concerning we’re relying on a 10 who isn’t an 80 minute player. For that reason, it’s still concerning that Foley’s in the squad.

        • RedAnt

          Yeah it was a relief to see Toomua play well. I think he is a class player so I’m hoping he is finally remembering how to play 10 again. I’d much rather him over Foley in the WC squad.

  • Gottsy

    Not sure how to feel about this. I thought the ABs were really flat, and beating them in the lead up to the WC in 2011 and 2015 didn’t end too well for us did it. That said, we were pretty good, and I still think there’s some improvement in us. I hope we don’t get too ahead of ourselves, as I don’t see them being poor two weeks in a row, especially in Eden Park.

    Was pretty impressed with our forwards and backs, and I hope that the Kerevi and JOC combo gets a few more opportunities to develop, I’ve been calling for him to come into the side act 13 and am pretty happy with the way they played.

    Depth is going to be crucial come WC time. I hope that we keep getting game time into guys like Banks and Jones, and would really like to see some of our more mobile forwards like Samu, Valetini and Wright come into consideration at some stage.

    Some good signs but I’m making sure I don’t get too ahead of myself!

    • Huw Tindall

      I’m with you Gottsy – not getting ahead of myself (like the team hopefully!). Red card really changes things BUT before that we were going toe for toe and arguably would have been further in front with the dodgy Aaron Smith forward pass to an offside Ioane.

      I’m happy to eat my hat about JOC at 13. I was skeptical. Sure it’s only been one game but he looks a really great compliment to Kerevi. No way TK would have had the same impact.

      It’s Bled again next week so I’d back the same team again (maybe a change on the bench to give others a chance) then use Samoa to see what Wright and the others can do. Like you say depth will be crucial so need to time on the pitch for all 31 squad members.

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Right on, brothers. When was the last time the Nuns lost/drew 3 on the trot, let alone a draw/loss, as with their last two outings? I’d take a win next week and getting the Bled back over getting past the QFs in RWC. It means more to me. I think it’s about the shallowness of this 4-year cycle thing, as opposed to getting things right on a year-to-year basis. Or trying to do well at both, which the Nuns strive for.

        • Who?

          Two outings as a draw and a loss would be the Lions, wouldn’t it? It’d also be the last time they lost at home.

    • Da Munch

      Was thinking the same thing about Wallaby wins against the darkness before WC’s. But to be fair MC completely reshuffled the team before the 2nd game in 2015 “trying different combinations” instead of concentrating on winning the Bledisloe and getting some winning momentum. I think that reshuffle had more to do with the touch up the next week rather than the darkness being fired up after a loss. Now we have selectors I’m really hoping MC isn’t allowed to do something similar and I’ll be thoroughly pissed if new combinations are tried next week.

    • idiot savant

      Its true the ABs will come out next week like the Germans entering Poland so we had better prepare for the blitzkrieg. However I didnt see the ABs as flat in the first half. That was a fast very physical game and our forwards belted them. Our two large backrowers won the physical battle over their two small backrowers. I expect the ABs wont play the Pooper again. And I thought Moody, Franks, Read, and Whitelock started showing their age – which also happened against the Saffers. Hansen needs more leg speed in his pack so I wouldn’t be surprised if some older heads found themselves on the bench next week.

      • Gottsy

        Agreed. Whatever the reason for it, I still think they were flat though, compared to the AB’s we are used to seeing in non-WC lead up games. There will be changes for sure, I don’t think I was even alive when they last lost 2 games in a row

        • idiot savant

          Thats 3 games in a row now the ABs have been flat, particularly in the first 20 minutes. The were driven backwards by the Saffers and struggled with the pace early against the Pumas. Either we have all caught up to them or they’ve slowed down.

  • Richard Patterson

    Congratulations Australia. After some lean years, a very well-deserved victory and a much needed boost for rugby in Australia. The scoreboard says it all. Enjoy the spoils.

    • Patrick

      Thanks!

      That must have been hard, I happen to know exactly how it feels ;)

      • Richard Patterson

        You’re humble in victory, gracious in defeat Patrick. We all know you cannot win them all. Sometimes you must tip your cap and say well done.

        What is clear is that Australia have caught up to the current All Blacks. Ireland have caught up to the current All Blacks. South Africa have caught up to the current All Blacks. England will want to play the current All Blacks. Wales and Argentina will be very competitive against the current All Blacks. France and Scotland could be very threatening to the current All Blacks side. These things happen when you are always the hunted. It makes for an intriguing contest at Eden Park next week and a fascinating RWC in neutral Japan in September.

        • nmpcart

          It will be interesting to see how Hansen adapts – does he keep with BB at 15 and RM at 10, what centre combinations will he choose? I would like to see David Havilli at 15 as he was so good there for the Crusaders or put Ben Smith back there. Do we go with a specialist blindside? Losing Goodhue so early was a blow but good teams adapt. Barrett’s shoulder was dumb and dangerous, but when Tupou did it against the Boks it was a yellow. I thought I saw Tupou do it again at a ruck close to the ABs line so he will have to watch that part of his game.

          But well done to the Wallabies, they controlled possession well and were a lot more threatening in attack. For a moment there when Beauden scored his try I thought the ABs were a chance to come back but it was too little too late.

        • idiot savant

          Yeah it will be fascinating to see what Hansen does. They miss Retallick. I thought Mounga was alright but perhaps they need BB’s pace closer to the advantage line. They will throw the kitchen sink at the Wallabies in Auckland. Had we lost Im pretty sure Cheik would have started Foley at 10, but he cant do that now. It will be interesting to see if Foley replaces Toomua on the bench.

        • Who?

          Barrett’s shoulder was totally different to Tupou’s YC. Tupou hit the chest (not high) at the breakdown with arms extened (i.e. not tucked in) less than 1 second after the whistle blew. Barrett’s RC was during time on (i.e. not late), but his arm was tucked and he made direct contact with the head. There’s no comparison, I still don’t believe Tupou’s was even a penalty, whereas Barrett’s card was pretty clear. And the ref had a better viewing angle than any of the cameras.

        • Mica

          Mostly agree, though a penalty would have been fair for the marginal lateness. YC I thought was harsh.

        • Going to be a GREAT World Cup and any in the top six could win it – even the top 8 beacuse who knows with France.

        • Patrick

          Let’s see how much difference a Retallick makes. From playing with 1 lock to 2.5 locks :)

        • John Tynan

          I have been thinking similar!

        • Patrick

          Their biggest challenge (and our biggest opportunity) in fact for next week is what to do without 2 of their 3 top locks

        • Mica

          I have no doubt the game in Eden Park will be very different.
          Wouldn’t surprise me at all if this is just a minor blip on the radar.
          I think the ABs are still well and truly favourites to retain the Bledisloe (but at least we’ve given ourselves a chance)
          The silver lining for me is that the Wallabies played the best that they’ve played in a long time. Now for some consistency please.

    • Phil Kcraig

      My challenge Is I did not mind Foley, Simmons or TK but for me hard to see any of these players in the matchday 23 now, which is good thing showing finally some depth and options.

    • idiot savant

      All class Richard.

  • NSWelsham in London

    Anyone else get a little terrified when Beauden moved into first receiver??? The fact we starved the All Blacks of the ball went a long way to that win. Show the same passion and heart for the jersey next weekend and win lose or draw, you have made this Wallaby supporter proud (please win though, 33 years is long enough at that ground) ….

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Had my wedding anniversary while I was in NZ and wife had organised a dinner out last night so only watched the game this morning.
    Well done Wallabies, they wanted it more and it showed with the way they played. Hit the rucks better and defended better and then took the chances that came their way. A huge improvement over the last 4 years and was a good game to watch. No issue for me over the red card. A dumb thing to do and a deserved response.
    Well done on SA winning the RC and roll on RWC

    • Brisneyland Local

      Commiserations to you and Richard Patterson. Gee you guys are gracious in victory and defeat.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate not really but nothing to argue about in that game. Your guys were on top of it and ours weren’t. I think the ABs need to change. For me;
        Mo’unga isn’t there yet and needs more time so Barrett needs to start at 10
        Savea isn’t a 6 and they need to play a 6 with Saves coming on later
        Midfield still isn’t right
        Smith needs to go to 15
        Intensity needs to go up

        • Brisneyland Local

          Agreewith that. Savea was behaving like a dickhead last night too which didnt help.

        • Greg

          I would not have been surprised if he got a 10 minute rest for repeat offending… and being a dick.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I was watiting for Kiearan Read to pull his head in!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I fail to see how Mounga can be blamed for that. He actually had a hand in two tries (including Barrett’s), pulled off try saving tackles also.

          The All Blacks’ issue started with the tight 5, continued with back row and concluded by the wingers. The tight 5 was all terrible and were super lucky that Garces kept telling the Wallabies to play after the All Blacks collapsed every scrum. The back row was invisible other than Savea, who is the only guy I thought played well. I’ve seen people complimenting Read but I thought he was whatever and his leadership was lacking (cannot see the All Blacks having capitulated like that if McCaw was still captain) and I didn’t notice Cane except when he dropped the ball.

          Reiko was so bad it wasn’t funny and Smith has been invisible all year.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Wow! That’s harsher than I had them but I guess it’s what you see. I agree the right 5 were poor. No intensity and almost just waiting for things to happen

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I said before the match that there were question marks over Moody and Franks. They just got bigger. I also think that if the rest of the tight 5 is lacking physicality then Taylor is the hooker you want rather than Coles. I still think we will get demolished at Eden Park next week, but physical teams like England, the Boks and Ireland will be licking their lips.

          Ben Smith was my favourite player for a while, but I think he might be passed it. Certainly, he seems not to have the speed to play wing like he used to. I still think Havili was super unlucky not to make the squad.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree on the first sentence in the last paragraph. Not sure what issue was but they just didn’t turn up last night.
          It hurts

        • Who?

          My son kept on saying, “That #11 is useless!” Incredible to think most had him in any World XV last year…

        • Human

          Indeed. Smith would have stopped Kerevi earlier than he eventually did.
          BB needs to be at 10.
          Mo’unga looked a bit rattled without consistent front foot ball.

      • Richard Patterson

        Enjoy this one BLL. You and the other GAGR veterans have endured your setbacks over the years. Today should taste bloody sweet and I bet the wattage on the Sunday morning ride this morning was high.

        For some years the All Blacks have built a disturbing arrogance towards discipline (or a lack of it). It was on show again last night. Hansen references it – but it never seems to be more than token. It remains the single biggest threat to winning 3 Cups in a row. The absence of McCaw’s leadership continues to be felt.

        Pressure on both teams at Eden Park this Saturday. The Wallabies need to go one step further, the All Blacks need to very quickly find an edge. Put aside the William Webb Ellis trophy for the moment. The 2nd most important Cup is waiting for someone on Saturday night.

        • Greg

          “For some years the All Blacks have built a disturbing arrogance towards discipline (or a lack of it).”

          This has been my observation as well. For years they have been good enough that they didn’t need to infringe at will but did anyway when they were under pressure. If they are starting to lose the edge then the risk is that the discipline will go as well.

          One swallow etc etc…. looking for a good game next week.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Am enjoying, but not being to optimistic yet. No ride this morning, as I am flying out to Queenstown tmw for a week of skiing. The last thing I want to do before I go away for a week is have a crash on my bike. So hence, a morning off.
          I think the arrogance, and I personally wouldnt have called it that, is a consistent application of playing what they have been called on. Fortunately most of the time the rub has gone their way, and they have played acordingly, now it isnt, they werent quick enough to adjust. Previously richie would have called it in real quick. I dont think Kieran Read’s appreciateion of the situation is as good as McCaw’s was. Hence the perceived arrogance.
          I always hate palying the AB’s after an embarrassing loss. they will be pummelled at home in the media and will come out twice as hard. If their discipline holds up, we are in trouble. If their discipline doesnt hold up we will have out chance.

        • Richard Patterson

          Enjoy Queenstown BL. Temperatures will be cooler. The snow will be harder. People will be on edge. Mood will be somber, nervous. But folks will LOVE to talk rugby. Give them your smart Australian perspective. Some of my favorite rugby conversations with Australians were on the chair lifts at Coronet Peak and Cardrons. Have fun.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I hope to. I love chatting rugby with everyone. Last time there I ended up in a wine bar chatting with a Saffa,a couple of Kiwi’s, myself and Mrs BRL. Was a great convo.
          we are starting at Coronet peak to blow the cobwebs out then Remarkables. Have the two little ones in tow. Is going to be a ball.

        • Richard Patterson

          Brilliant. Fresh snow. Enjoy it.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Thats the plan. Drink some Pinot Noir, and some Pedro’s House of Lamb!

        • Richard Patterson

          Fergburger

        • Brisneyland Local

          Roaring Megs and WInnies Pizza as well.

        • John Tynan

          I had to read that twice…

        • Mica

          Get to Cardrona would be my advice.
          Will be great for the little ones too.

        • Brisneyland Local

          We will get one day at Cardrona.

        • Mica

          I’m jealous!
          Enjoy and hope the conditions are friendly.

        • Brisneyland Local

          There has been tons of snow, but I think we might cop a wee bit of rain over there.

        • Andy

          It certainly is a very different team with Coles, Savea and even few others who play the game in a different spirit to what the AB’s usually preach. I agree that it has had an effect on performance. This doesn’t look the same team as a few years ago

        • Richard Patterson

          Different captain Andy. Starts there.

        • Andy

          Fair play. I like Read and do think he is a good leader. But is it that the guys around him just don’t show him enough respect? I don’t think Sam Whitlock is the answer to solving those issues as he is another repeat offender (of the niggle).

        • Richard Patterson

          Good thoughts Andy. McCaw was a very special leader of men. The current formula is very distant to those levels. Certain to be a topic of internal review. Conversations of course that will never see the light of day.

        • Mica

          Carter was also a great leader of that team

        • Who?

          Yep. He even calmed down McCaw at 68-71 minutes in the 2015 RWC final.

        • Gun

          Thanks Richard and KRL. Very happy for the team. Appreciate the grace and magnanimity you chaps bring to the discussion. Much better fellows than me.

      • From NooZealand

        We deserved this outcome. I hope you enjoy this: “Dane Coles has made the ultimate Test rugby concession, believing the All Blacks were guilty of taking the Wallabies for granted ahead of the stunning Bledisloe Cup upset in Perth.”

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well statistically they probably should have. We have been shit for 4 years. How did you not know that in about a fortnite we got better. Heaven forbid we actually picked players in their positions and got rid of our shit house defence plan. BUt that being said, I am not looking forward to this weekend. Firstly I will be in NZ for the match. Secondly, after many years of being in bad places doing bad things,”Dont poke the bear!”

    • Mart

      “Hit the rucks better” great point. massive difference in their last 2 games

    • Bernie Chan

      The Bokke are looking ominous. Great second row pairing, Marx, halves firing and lots of speed on the flanks.
      Suggest they’d be close to 2nd faves for the RWC?
      BTW…Happy Anniversary…Happy wife=happy life!

  • The Wallabies showed great depth with Koroibete now shaping up as a good forward option..

  • Hoss

    Well, Good morning to all,

    What a fabulous result and the quality of the play, selections, game plan are covered elsewhere here by astute judges, but what really stood out for me was what happened AFTER the full time whistle.

    – the celebrations were very restrained
    – there was great humility
    – Cheik spoke well
    – Lilo called the players in (Hooper off doing captains interviews) and they kept it low key
    – JOC spoke with the calmness and clarity of mind of a man loving life and at peace with himself – we all win there

    As for the game we still have much to improve on and left two tries out there (when ABs had XV) and one of there’s was clearly forward, but as Who said Monsieur Garces spread the love equally. In a perfect world it could have been 60 odd to 19 and lights out in NZ, but I’ll happily bank the win.

    As Cheik said we have a ticket to Auckland, live to see a great effort there as well.

    Go boys.

    • Greg

      re getting the team together after a try, I though I saw Hodge doing the same….. deep breath and settle.

    • Nicholas

      Listening to the Eggchasers podcast from the UK – they were talking about JOC doing it with Sale. Reckon he has brought it with him. Good way to connect as a team, get oxygen to the brain and stay calm. I’m all for it!

      • John Tynan

        Every Kiwi S15 franchise did it this season.

        • Nicholas

          Are you mates with Mick Dombroski by any chance?

        • John Tynan

          If you’re that stripper then no. ;)

        • Nicholas

          Not the stripper, just on the other side of a zorb ball punishing from you!

        • John Tynan

          Could still be stripper….

        • Nicholas

          Haha – I’m assuming you’re the right bloke. If not this is an odd conversation.

        • John Tynan

          Yeah mate, same bloke. Luckily for me I don’t have to worry about job interview social media searches too much these days.

        • Nicholas

          haha – well its cool to actually know someone on the discussion pages. How optimist are you about tomorrow night?

  • Sevenwithasixonmyback

    FORTRESS PERTH!
    (too early?)

    • Brisneyland Local

      Nope!

    • Hoss

      Unbeaten there in the history of Bledisloe matches – I think fortress is apt.

      • Yowie

        Is it too early to talk about an “Optus Stadium hoodoo” that strikes fear into Kiwis?

        • Hoss

          Not at all, they’ve never won there. ‘Curse’ might be appropriate.

        • Yowie

          Now that you mention it, I heard that Kieran Read shoved and insulted a weird Gipsy fortune-teller lady on his way in to the stadium…

  • onlinesideline

    Wow – PERTH !

    What a classy showing by Perth all week it seems. Totally rose above recent events and just made RA look silly. If you asked 100 business entrepreneurs from foreign countries who know nothing about rugby or rugby in Australia to scan the national landscape and submit ideas as to where to invest in next, 99 would probably say WA wouldnt they. Has to go down as the stupidest business decision in a sporting code in the last howeverbloodylong.

  • onlinesideline

    We can put 47 points on the darkness with no Falou
    We can upt 47 points on the darkness with no Pocock

  • Brisneyland Local

    With a Ying and yang, and a yibbidy doo (in the rest of the English speaking world we say good morning!). Wow what wonderful game. The passion is back not just to the playing group but to the supporters as well. No long run up today, just some positive re-enforcement which I am happy to hand out. My points in no particular order:
    – Firstly well done Perth. What a grand show you put on. Great ground. Huge crowd. Further highlights the dumb decision by RA.
    – To the All Blacks, commiserations. Great game to watch. Down to 14, and fought every minute of the game and up until the last 5 were still well and truly in it.
    – Wallabies. Well done. This is what we want to see. I know for one I have been particularly hard on the coaching staff and the players. This morning, I will say well done, the first step in restoring our faith.
    – Firstly MOTM White. Man you have got some serious balls. So fast, great defence, great sniping and dummies. Well done!
    – CLL. You are the starting 10 there is no doubt in my mind. Foley will be lucky to be on the bench after those two performances. You are inspirational.
    – The front row were fantastic. Including Latu. I will be the first to admit I think he should be there on off field issues. But on performance he had a good game and held his temper. Well done. Sio, 7 A’s fantastic.
    – Our second row was good. Great line out dominance. Coleman off the bench fantastic. There is someone who wants his spot back.
    – Our backs were pretty good. Kerevi is a fucking machine. Would love to know how many yards he made post contact. It is like he still can run with 3 people hanging off him.
    – JOC. A real solid performance, there is a boy out for redemption. Lots of good link play. And some real solid defence.
    – The Bench. Tongan Thor was bloody great of the bench, and have already mention Coleman. Slipper was energetic, and we are not going backward with our bench front row.
    – Koro the Fijian flyer, had a real good game. We have all been harsh on the man, and to be honest a lot of it was well deserved. But he has definite learnt the game and his position. The faith shown in him is worth the effort.
    – The Card was a red by the book, and I don’t have a problem with it as we have known for a while the referumps are going to be going hard on contact to the head. But I will say a Red really does tip the scales of a game.
    – I thought the referump had a reasonable game. Lots of forwards, but they were evenly distributed both sides. Lots of offsides equally distributed. Cant complain there. Have definitely seen shit loads worse this year in the TRC and Super season.
    Overall it was not the best performance by the Wallabies. Still a lot of skills issues, pushed passes, silly decision making. The Kiwi try on the restart is the perfect example of that. But it was a vast improvement on what we have seen this year and the last 4 years to be honest. The first step forward for a team that has been inconsistently shit house. The Kiwi’s had a poor game. Although they demonstrated that they are definitely an 80 minute team and will fight to the very end. All teams have to take note that any ill discipline or contact to the head is going to be red and the game for your team. Every one is on notice.
    Over to New Zealand this will be a real challenge for the team. But at least Cheika knows his starting 15 majoritively. Number 6 is the only variable I think. To Quote Hoss, “One swallow does not a summer make, but it is a great start to a date!” Over to you GAGR’s!

    • Greg

      Agree with all of the above. I want the wobs to win…. but first off I want us to play well. There is lots of improvement left to come but that was great to watch. And…. we won.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Absolutely agree. I am stoked with the win. BUt we better not get ahead of ourselves.

    • Bernie Chan

      I missed the game due to a family dinner (can’t offend the elders by having the TV on…!) bu watched the highlights later on…I thought that first try (a great JOC offload to Hodge…) was almost a “14-pointer”, as ALB was going to score for the ABs had he not fumbled. Our pack did very well as a unit…finally, and Berne seems to have the backline playing flatter (a-la the Rebels…). Kerevi is a beast…what a loss for Oz rugby that he is going overseas post RWC, though one can’t fault his reasoning. Luckily the Reds and maybe the Wallabies can field a possible JOC-Petaia centre combination next season.

      The Ref (Garces?) had a reasonable game..he really had little choice but to brandish the red-card as WR has been very clear about their intentions to reduce shoulder charges or attacks to the head or neck region. The ABs #4 had already hit Hooper high moments earlier sans arms…
      Up 1-0 in the Bledisloe Cup…a promising start, but the Wallas need to re-produce this form at least at Eden Park next weekend as the ABs will be smarting and Hansen will have them fired up…

      • Brisneyland Local

        Cant offend our elders!

        • Bernie Chan

          You know it…am an Asian-Islander bitsa so the grannies are at the top of our totem…
          We were very happy to get messages of joy though. Been a “long time between drinks”…:)

      • Who?

        You’re right about that first try. Leali’ifano threw a high risk pass there, the intercept was well and truly on. Just ALB got butter fingers and JOC turned it into gold. :-)
        .
        Garces did have some odd calls. Like penalising Latu for side entry when his entry was absolutely perfect, then allowing Ardie a very clear side entry. Along with no idea on several forward passes both ways. Given that, the players realised he had no idea of the orientation of the field and started cleaning out from all sorts of odd directions… But he was consistent both ways.

  • Custard Taht

    Good win by the Wallabies, a massive improvement across the board.

    There are too many Wallaby supporters putting the All Blacks on a Pedestal, they are but men, punch them in the mouth and they still bleed.

    The Wallabies now need to repeat the dose, and punch them in the mouth next week. Hansen and Co have taken to playing the their version of the Pooper, and playing people out of position.

    The All Blacks are there for the taking, it is time to end the Eden Park Hoodoo, and bring the Bledisloe home.

    One last point, Cheika is good coach, but a poor selector. The selection panel is the difference, it has forced Cheika to cut the umbilical chord of the players hanging on beyond their useful date.

    • Greg

      “One last point, Cheika is good coach, but a poor selector.”

      I think this is a key comment.

      Let’s see how we go next week….

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      While I was ok with the positions at first I actually think this is a poor decision and it contributes to the poor play. Don’t get me wrong Mo’unga is good but I think we need to go back to Barrett starting at 10, Smith at 15 and maybe do the swap later in the match. We also need a decent 6 and play Savea at 7 later in the game.
      In my mind the playing of players out of position is what caused us to fail at previous RWCs and if we keep this up we won’t win this one either

      • Custard Taht

        It surprises me that Hansen would do this to be honest, especially considering the Wallabies have shown this approach does not work.
        It seems to be a strange option from Hansen, who as a coach, has overall proven to be rather astute. The the one thing the All Blacks don’t suffer from, is a lack of talent in each position, they really don’t need to select the best players and fit them in somehow. They should definitely pick the best player in each position.

        As a Wallaby supporter, keep it up Hansen, it weakens the All Blacks!

        • Yowie

          Just to go full “tinfoil hat”, I wonder if an astute coach would deliberately rejig things to cause a heavily favoured team to lose a game in the months before a World Cup just to “fire a shot across the players’ bows” and achieve World Cup focus etc.
          Whether Hansen is that kind of coach is another issue of course.

        • Custard Taht

          Dangerous tactic though, and I just can’t see the All Blacks ever accepting a loss for the greater good. The All Blacks are Patriots of Rugby, nothing less than winning is acceptable.

          I am not sure allowing sides like the saffas and the wallabies, to build confidence against a team like the All Blacks is a good idea.

          It would also give the Poms, Irish and Welsh the sniff of blood.

          I standy by my opinion this is the most vulnerable the All Blacks have been in a decade, and probably the most open RWC ever.

        • Yowie

          Yeah, too far-fetched.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree. It reminds me of when Mitchell and others have done it in the past and it never works well. TBH if it continues I’m picking a semi final exit

  • Andy

    So many of the guys played well. But what really stood out for me was the effort and passion. They played at 100% for just about the full 80 and weren’t intimidated. White, both locks, the whole front row, LILO and Kerevi were superb. They were at the AB’s all game. That’s how it has to be done moving forward.

  • Brumby Runner

    Absolute ripper of a game. Every Wallaby played well and gave everything they had.

    To my mind, the greatest improvement now compared with the team over the past four or so years is the combination at 9, 10 and 12. For that reason alone I will be voting for these three players in the MOTM forum. That’s not to say others weren’t outstanding too. I don’t think there was a poor performer across the whole team.

    For next week, there should be minimal changes if we really want to give the Bledisloe a shake. No need for experimentation just for the sake of experimenting.

    The tight 5 probably should be retained, but I’d have no issue with either of Latu or Faingaa at hooker. Hopefully Arnold will be fit and able to take his place, but Coleman was so strong when he came on, he will be ready if required.

    The backrow will probably see Pocock in the No 6 spot if fit. Jones had more impact off the bench this game than any time in the past, and might get a start if Pocock can’t make it.

    9, 10 and 12 must not be changed. It is time though for Powell to get some bench time with 15 – 20 minutes at the end. It is simply beyond belief that we know both White and Genia won’t be here for the Wallabies mid-year in 2020 but the next best player gets no time at all at this level.

    JOC handled the No 13 very well. I am waiting with bated breath though to see Petaia in action as I think he could even be better,

    Despite Hodge having a much better game it is time for Banks to get a run on the wing in Hodge’s place.

    Barring injuries, next week’s team should look something like :

    Sio, Latu, Ala’alatoa, Arnold, Rodda, Pocock, Hooper, Naisarani, White, Lealiifano, Banks, Kerevi, O’Connor, Koroibete, Beale.

    Reserves : Faingaa, Slipper, Tupou, Coleman, Jones, Powell, Toomua, Hodge.

  • Bulldog Sing

    Even thought the Welcome to Country looked ready to go from the start. Loved it all!

    On a side note how strong are Kieran Reads achilles tendons being able to support his whole body weight!

    When you’re good you don’t need to cheat and the ABs are increasingly pushing the boundaries.

    • Human

      Indeed. A lesser player would have been resting his torso on the tackled player. The fact that Read could be so low, so straight, and still not have his torso resting on the tackled player is testament to his core strength, to the training of the AB’s and to the eyesight of the referee.

      • Who?

        But what was really impressive was that he was somehow grasping the turf through his toes with his boots. Because he clearly wasn’t supporting his weight on the ball, because that’s illegal and a penalty against him, not to him…

        • laurence king

          He is the AB captain, he has taken over from ….RICHIE! Read is able to levitate

  • LBJ

    What a wonderful sight to see the Wallabies in full flight again! Playing our style of footy – as Hansen said – we came to play.

    They owned the stage from the kickoff and deserved the W.

    Many were terrific, but I think I’m actually most happy for Cheika and Hooper. It was only one game, but they have copped it mercilessly – especially on Forums like this one – so credit where it is due.

    Well done boys. Go forth and build from here.

    • John Tynan

      From an on-the-record Hooper ambivalent, I thought he showed all of his great traits on the weekend, and interestingly, I formed the opinion that the AB’s were targeting him – he was always double teamed in a tackle, the Savea thing, the Barrett thing – I’m thinking the AB’s put a plan around keeping him quiet. and the good part is it didn’t work.

      • LBJ

        I recon that’s a good observation – and it was great to see him fired up as a result, without doing anything stupid. Strong leadership i thought.

  • Well I have to eat humble pie especially as to James O’Occonor. For mine, alike all the Wallabies really, he was superb. Unfortunately The Reds will lose Kerevi next year but O’Connor and Jordan Petai can form an awesome centre pairing backed up by classy wingers in Speight and Naiavalu. Classy young guys to handle the halves combination and full back.

    Back to the Wallabies, last night. Hats off to everyone of you. Awesome!

  • kamalesh

    while White had a good game generally, I was particularly pleased he reduced his box kicking that just gives the ball back to the opposition, I was appalled that he chose to stop defending when he considered, rightly or wrongly, that a pass was forward and spread his arms to get umpire’s attention and thereby allowed a try to happen that he might have been able to prevent! He is now as good as Powell at getting to the breakdown to pick up the ball so the opposition doesn’t pinch it.

    • Greg

      For the record…. I don’t think that pass was forward. He reached out in front of his body and hooked it backwards. Actually quite clever when the man has/will overrun..

      I didn’t like the try…. but agree that attempting the tackle seemed more important than hand waving.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep even my 12yo daughter asked “Why didnt he pummell him first then get up and ask the question afterwards?”
      Out of the mouth of babes hey?

      • Yowie

        Speaking of kids, my 6-year-old watched a tape of the game with me this morning. This evening we played a “superhero fighting villain” game in the backyard. I was the villain and little-mate gave me the villain name “The All Black” (with no prompting by me).

        • Brisneyland Local

          That is why they are “The Darkness!

        • John Tynan

          “a tape”?!?!?

        • Yowie

          Old language habit from the 90s. “An audio-visual file of the broadcast recorded on the hard drive of my Panasonic Blu-Ray player” is a bit cumbersome though.

  • Nicholas

    Any one else notice at the end of the game when all the interviews were happening that all the non match 23 were in suits but AAC was in a tracksuit – like the ones the water boys/trainers wear? Maybe his is in the squad as more of a mentor? Am I thinking to much about this? Is he too good to wear a suit?

    • Brisneyland Local

      AAC has always lived by his own rules. Dublin incident. Having ladies (albeit relatives) in his room outside of curfew hours.

      • Who?

        Maybe he was reliving the glory days, back when he was eating a pie on the sidelines in Perth only to get told to find a jersey?
        :-P

        • Brisneyland Local

          LOok coach I am ready!

    • Huw Tindall

      Maybe he was running water or something? Helping out the physios or something? Regardless, of the squad now I think he is most likely to get the cut when it’s down sized to 31 men for RWC. Can’t see a spot for an aged utility now JOC is back.

      • Nicholas

        I agree about him getting cut – his form in super rugby didn’t warrant a selection in the first place – he wasn’t wearing the pink bib that the trainers wear – maybe he took it off. Pretty sure Shaun Berne was running water.

  • Match 2 scrum stats

    There were only 11 scrums – there would have been more but Los Pumas contrived to knock on I think 4 times while they were under penalty advantage, so they obviously played the penalty instead.

    Of the 11 scums, only 2 were reset (18.2%). Again we’re dealing with small numbers but as I’ll come to later, Poite was rather whistle happy (generally I felt correctly, although possibly he got carried away) so there were a lot of penalties, some at least of which a different referee might have given as penalties.

    There were 5 penalties in total (45.5%), all to SA, 3 on their put in, 2 on Argentinas. There was also a free kick (to Argentina) for an early push (9.1%). The other 5 times (45.5%) it came out cleanly, once with the front rows down.

    Of those possessions, the scrum halves for each side played the ball twice, and the Argentinian 8 picked the ball up and ran when the front rows went down.

    South Africa took advantage only once, Argentina twice. Argentina, although it was a few tackles later, scored their only try, 7 points from that advantage, for 3.5 points per turn over in this match. So far Australia are the only side not to score from a scrum advantage. It’s hardly a killer statistic mind.

    With five penalties and 2 scrum wins to 3 scrum wins and a free kick which gave them possession back at the subsequent lineout, South Africa’s dominance at scrum time, at least as Poite refereed it, was pretty clear to see and had an impact throughout the game. It did look that way too, but as I’ve commented elsewhere, judging scrum dominance is tricky from the TV and honestly I’m not sure it’s really worth anything directly on its own. Scrum dominance in the eye of the beholder that doesn’t convert to possession in some way or points – so what? South Africa won chunks of territory five times and possession twice on top of that. I didn’t record if they won points directly from their penalties, but I think they did. All of that can, and yesterday did, have an influence of the course of the game.

  • banks in for beale and you got your wc selection .

    • Tah Tragic

      Seriously, Beale was fantastic and with Lealiifano and O’Connor provides multiple playmaking options and an amazing attacking threat. Bank did not impress with his 10 mins off the bench.

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