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Australia’s World Cup ended after being T-boned by a chariot

Australia’s World Cup ended after being T-boned by a chariot

The Wallabies 2019 World Cup campaign is over after going down 40-16 to England in the Quarter Final in in Oita. An English defensive masterclass that went a long way to winning the game with Tom Curry and Sam Underhill impressive in keeping the Wallabies attack in check.

The Wallabies didn’t help themselves with some interesting tactics, especially in attempting to exit their 22. A double to Jonny May in the early half got England in front and despite a brief period in the second half where the margin was reduced to just one, it was all England in the 24-point win. Owen Farrell was also impressive in the game with 100% kicking off the tee and also added a try assist as England scored four tries to one.

The Match

The Wallabies opened on fire with 18 phases of attack but a knock on in the English 22 got them out of trouble. Jordan Petaia didn’t look out of place as his early involvements were causing the English defence a few problems.

Some Kurtley Beale brilliance in open play off a turnover got the Wallabies downfield and a high shot in midfield saw Christian Lealiifano open the scoring with a penalty goal.

Off the restart, England had the Wallabies under pressure after knock-on from Allan Alaalatoa in his own 22 as the Wallabies attempted to run it out. A David Pocock ruck burgle looked to get them out of trouble but it only delayed England opening their scoring with a well worked try in the left corner to Jonny May as Tom Curry sucked Reece Hodge in to leave May with a simple run to the line in his 50th Test.

May then stunned Australian with his second try just three minutes later as the ball was intercepted in a mix up with Pocock and Lealiifano in the English half and Henry Slade found open space and kicked ahead for May to collect and score his second.

Lealiifano and Farrell exchanged penalties with the Wallabies ambitious exit plan lucky not to be punished further as Beale attempted to chip it out and landed easily in the hands of the English but they couldn’t gain any advantage of their field position.

The ‘Pooper’ combo combined with some key tackles from Tolu Latu was working well to keep the Wallabies in the game with a some crucial penalty wins to keep the English attack at bay.

The scrums had been a real lottery throughout the half under Jerome Garces and the Wallabies eventually came up with the winning numbers just before half time for Lealiifano’s third penalty of the half for a 17-9 scoreline at the break. England would have been happy with only conceding the three points to keep the Wallabies more than a converted try behind.

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The Wallabies started the second half with a brilliant try to Marika Koroibete inside three minutes. A Reece Hodge wide ball found Petaia with an overlap and he hit Koroibete on the inside and evaded Elliot Daly to reduce the margin to just one point after Lealiifano’s conversion.

England weren’t rattled by the close margin and it took patient play before a brilliant pass from Owen Farrell found Kyle Sinckler in midfield as the gap widened and no one could stop him for his first ever Test try.

Owen Farrell kicked England further ahead with a penalty goal after the Wallabies put themselves under pressure in their own half and were easy pickings for the English defence as Jamie George caught the Wallabies too high in contact for a maul turnover.

The Wallabies overall game was summed up around the 60-minute mark after a penalty where they took the scrum instead of a simple three points ended up with no reward after hammering the English line for more than ten phases with the English defence more than up to the task.

From there it was all England as they turned the screws to deny the Wallabies any possession. Farrell added his third penalty as England ticked over the 30 point mark and with the Wallabies chasing the game in the last few minutes, Anthony Watson swooped in intercept a Kurtley Beale pass to round out a dismal night as England equalled their biggest win over the Wallabies 40-16.



The Game Changer

The Wallabies were down by eight and had a penalty under the sticks just before the 60- minute mark but came up empty after hammering the English line and from there it was all England.


The G&GR MOTM

Tom Curry – There were plenty putting their hand up from England but Tom Curry was impressive with a defensive masterclass with 15 tackles and also had a hand in May’s first try.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 16
Tries: Koroibete
Conversions: Lealiifano
Penalties: Lealifano 3
ENGLAND 40
Tries: May 2, Sinckler, Watson
Conversions: Farrell 4
Penalties: Farrell 4

Cards

Nil

  • Timbo

    Goodbye Cheika. It’s been… sub-optimal

    • sambo6

      Fucked. It’s been Fucked.

      • Timbo

        To be fair, I blame the entire RA board. The pirate and Clyne both need to go… but being the way of the corporate world, both will get end of year bonuses for upholding the ‘rugby’ traditions of fucking a sport into the ground, pandering to the loudest complainers.

        • laurence king

          It will be interesting about who survives after this. There should be a certain degree of clearing the decks, after all, the board did place their confidence in Cheika and he has spectacularly failed to deliver.

        • Timbo

          Clyne has to go. He’s been there during Deans, McKenzie and now Cheika. We’ve failed spectacularly in those periods too.

        • Human

          He won’t go anywhere while the airfares are Business and the Scotch is free.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          Unfortunately for Australia he will be going nowhere. If he was that kind of Chairman that believed the buck stops at him, he would have resigned after the Force fiasco that he overseen. There is no integrity or accountability at RA Board and for that we shoukd thank NSWRU and QLDRU for

        • Murray McGinn

          Nathan Grey the worst defensive coach is the history of rugby, Cheika percentage win rate over the past three years 40% bad coaching, Shit defense. It all gets down to Cheika being a Warratahs boy and Nathan Grey being a part of that.

        • Who?

          Good point. I think that’s the first game we’ve conceded 40 points this year. Which means that we’ve had at least one 40 point game against us each of the last 4 years. He’s consistent….

        • nmpcart

          Do they choose the team? They don’t select the tactics as far as I know. They may do many things wrong but you can’t blame the Wallabies loss on them. There is more to Aus rugby than the Wallabies – some good things going on with girls/women’s rugby for instance, that helps to grow the game, driven by RA. Eddie Jones was coaching at a school in Japan this week despite his quarter final, yet Cheika and the Wallabies are invisible all year – maybe that is an RA issue but Cheika strikes as an obstinate coach so hard to get him to do things to grow the game.

        • Timbo

          If the RA board aren’t working their arses off to grow the sport, support the grass roots, ensure we are moving forward and winning tournaments, not just enjoying a ‘good Super Rugby season’, then what is their job?
          The board is as liable as Cheika because they make the decisions that have alienated both the West of Australia and West Sydney. Their decisions have made Rugby Union a minnow in the Australian sporting landscape from a giant. Kids dont want to be a Wallaby, they want to play fortnite and live in their parents basement.
          RA are culpable. Probably more so than Cheika

        • juswal

          What is the board’s job? Passive oversight of the executive team. Don’t expect non-executive directors to carry out a work program.

          The RA board is invisible and useless because it’s meant to be. It’s just a panel that reviews, approves and evaluates the CEO’s business plan, operational reports and financial statements.

        • Who?

          It certainly didn’t feel that way when Clyne was the one pushing the Force out. He’s pushed himself to the fore an awful lot the last few years.

        • Parker

          Sounds like a waste of salaries

        • Patrick

          They renewed his contract!

        • HK Red

          And it’s RA’s job to give him a boot up the @rse or find a replacement. There was plenty of time to shift Cheika on and find better, but they failed to do so. The board is weak and severely lacking in leadership, much like the coaching staff.

      • Cornchips

        To borrow a phrase: It’s been fucking disappointing

  • sambo6

    I remember back in 2016 on this forum, when we played England in the 3 test series. And we all said that Eddie Jones must be laughing himself to sleep every night at the insistence of the wallabies of running back off their own line, instead of kicking and playing the game down the other end of the pitch.

    Well, here we are nearly 4 years later, and Eddie’s still laughing at the same joke……

    • Keith Butler

      Hit nail on head. In your 22 kick the ball as far down field and as far into touch as you can.

      • laurence king

        That should have been Hodge doing that, congratulations on the win Keith.

        • Graeme

          It’s a bit ridiculous that we pick the slowest winger in the world (Hodge) against the fastest winger in the world (May). But it might have made strategic sense if he was trying to hoof it 50 meters when we were trapped in our 22. Not once. Unfortunately.

        • Who?

          Did Hodge actually play much wing..? Petaia was in the backfield with KB and Koroibete for most of the night. I do remember a couple of kick returns late in the game (notable because Hodge got hammered – some guys just seem to set themselves up to get blindside hammerings on a regular basis, Hodge seems to be one of those guys. There’s a lot of players who’ve made highlights reels putting blindside hits on a full-pace kick returning Reece Hodge), but it didn’t seem to be set that way most of the game.
          All seemed to be smoke and mirrors…

      • Human

        Well played KB. You may keep that quilt cover.

    • Seb V

      Exact same strategy and exact same rugby. Very poor tactics indeed.

    • Steve

      And we have the same result…
      What’s that saying again?

  • Custard Taht

    Not sure what Cheika had the Wallabies doing at training, but they weren’t practicing Rugby. That loss signified everything that was wrong under Cheika, and was a fitting end to his reign of terror.

    To quote Porky Pig “That’s all folks!”

    • laurence king

      The Plan seems to have been no plan at all. Guys gave their all. Got beaten by a team that was clinical, well done England.

      • Custard Taht

        Yep, feel sorry for the guys, they were let down by the brains trust.

        England took their chances and played well.

      • adastra32

        From selections right through to implementation, England had a game plan and it worked. Aus played almost exactly the way they have always played (unsuccessfully) under Cheika: the apocryphal Einstein quotation comes to mind. The talent is there: now get a coach who can energise it properly.

        • Hoss

          Absolutely spot-on.

  • Greg

    There was some good play…. take away 21 points or so from silly mistakes and who knows what might have been… This has been the story of the last n years. England just waited for our mistakes and went from there.

    Who is rumoured to be the new coach?

    Two positive notes
    1. I saw the ref consciously decide to let things go and
    2. I hardly heard from Mr Skeen.

    • sambo6

      We could have made those silly mistakes close to the halfway line instead of in our own 22 if we’d just kicked it back when near our own line. We still might have made the errors, but guarantee it wouldn’t have cost us 21 points….

      • Greg

        agreed or…..
        even not made the silly mistakes.

        Pocock deserved so much more.

        • Who?

          Even Genia. His last action in Gold was to knock on a ball whilst under pressure from an offside Billy Vunipola. :-(

    • BadAtCricket

      …but when we did hear from Bin, he was an utter f*cking cockwomble as usual. “I want to be ref. It’s my turn. Listen to me everyone”

      • Gun

        Ten points for ‘cockwomble’.

        • Greg

          I was going to google that but decided it might be better not to…..

        • Parker

          It says:”An act of dubious value and character, as in – It is futile to google your cockwomble.”

    • Who?

      Not sure either of those two ‘positives’ played in our favour tonight. England got away with murder at the breakdown, their two scrum penalties were incorrect calls (early shove and then scrummaging on their knees), the maul collapse penalty after the second scrum penalty was wrong (there was no penalty – first to go down was England 18)… And when Bin was asked about the (clear) forward pass from Hooper to Tupou leading up to Koroibete’s denied try, he was overruled by Garces getting the call correct!
      .
      Not that it effected the outcome – Eddie Jones and Scott Wisemantel were worthy winners (no English sporting team’s ever a worthy winner ;-P ).

      • idiot savant

        I dont think that was a forward pass in NZ. It was a flat one. TBH though it does look like it might not have gone forward out of the hand. It might not have gone backwards either. Tupou was stupidly in front of the passer which didnt help.

        • Who?

          Pretty impressive when a flying forward like Hooper has a THP outpacing him! I’d normally jump up and down about the support player being ahead, but when it’s a THP at full pace after several metres still in front of someone, it’s more a surprise that it was possible for the THP still to be ahead.
          7A’s showed some great pace in getting to a few wide breakdowns, too.

    • Dave P

      Coach rumoured to be former Chiefs coach, name eludes me at the moment – won two titles with Wayne Smith as assistant and nothing since.

      • HK Red

        Dave Rennie.

        I reckon RA should be seeing how long Jamie Joseph has on his contract.

  • Parker

    Let’s hope that RA can manage to appoint a coach who is no worse than Cheika and not his equal. It’s got to get better.

  • Haz

    Hard lines all.

    Whilst Cheika came up with some interesting tactics such as sending the kick off straight down the middle meaning England couldn’t run their normal exit plays meaning they kicked back to Beale/Korobeite to counterattack some of the tactics definitely didn’t work (aus’ exit plays from their 22…). Fair play he rolled the dice and backed his team ball in hand but the bottom line was that England have better players and a far better coach.

    Hopefully Aus rugby sorts itself out as the win is slightly hollow – it shouldn’t be as easy as that. I’m not sure what the options are but there must be someone better than Cheika out there.

    But anyway, that’s for 2015!

    • laurence king

      Cheika has been so far out of his depth and for so long it has been embarrassing and now his tenure is over. England has put Wallaby fans out of our misery. Already the air smells fresher.

      • Haz

        Hopefully you get a much better coach in that can make the best of your players. I’ve always enjoyed watching the wallabies because of the style they play so it’s a shame that the quality of play isn’t where it should be.

        • laurence king

          Thank you

        • Haz

          Got a lot of empathy as we’ve been through some very rough times with coaching as well and the team consequently playing far below what they should be.

    • HK Red

      I don’t agree that England have far better players. They have a better coach, a better coaching unit and as a result much better coached players. Australia without a doubt have the talent, but it is not being trained and drilled properly, not being used properly.
      England and Eddie have done incredibly well, they play a smart, physical, exacting brand of rugby. It’s rare these days that they have a poor game and that’s what a well coached team does.

      • idiot savant

        Spot on HK. The drilling was obvious even after the final whistle. I was impressed with Farrell going around telling his team to calm down and not waste emotion. The real goal being yet to come.

  • Hoss

    As much as I want to spew forth witticisms, opinions and bile, I take pause and say thanks instead:

    Thank you Mr David Pocock. Your grace, power, decency and effort have been singularly inspiring to me as a husband, father and man and in general as a human. Whatever life holds for you you have been an inspiration to me and I will forever be the better person for having seen you play and watched you as a person.

    Thank you and Mr Genia. Whilst I have on often occasion sledged you’re from the cheap seats, your passion, efforts and sacrifices for the jersey should rightfully be heralded for many a year.

    Thank you Mr Kepu. The sheer unheralded grunt work, the 10,000 scrums, the time away from family your single minded focus to resurrect Australia to a set piece power have been amazing and worthy of a better exit.

    Thank you Bernhard Foley. I have been fairly vicious in my commentary and nickname if you when all you have done is try to make our side better for your commitment.

    Thank you to those players temporarily lost to the Golden thread. Me thinks I see rule changes in the horizon that ‘May’ see you back in gold despite current selection criteria.

    And lastly, thank you Mr Cheika. You gave your all and I gave you plenty mid 2018 onwards. You gave your time, your passion and your sole to Australian rugby. I fear both myself and history will treat you a tad harshly, more so then you perhaps deserve. The seeds of our future success lay with you. You gave it your best as you saw it and I commend you for that effort.

    Lastly, well done mother country and fuck you. Go New Zealand

    Yours Faithfully
    Hoss

    • Greg

      All true. Well said.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That is very well said mate. Thank you

    • Andy

      When can we expect the rant? You are far less entertaining when you are being nice

      • Hoss

        I have several voices in the top paddock yearning to be set free. At present I have suppressed same. Mother bourbon shall decide from herein.

    • muppet

      I shouldn’t be in charge of a keyboard whilst this drunk but well said my friend. I NEVER doubt the commitment of those in gold. Pausing ANZAC sentiment for a minute, rugby needs a new champion. #endthedarknessheadforthelight

    • Big Ted

      Hoss, you’re a better man than I to spout wisdom such as this after such a drubbing. But everything you said is true and thanks for the reminder, Australian Rugby will be the poorer for their departure but the future looks bright. 12-13 players on the field tonight should still be around in 4 years. Let’s hope some better guidance leads to some better results.

      • andrewM

        ditto

      • Graeme

        12-13 players will be playing overseas

    • Michael Hassall

      Thanks Hoss, absolutely love your passion and your posts, particularly this one.
      I am sure that everyone involved with the wallabies over the last 4 years gave it everything, unfortunately it wasn’t enough.

      Have to acknowledge England were better than us tonight as expected, but there was hope there in the first 20, and then after half time. But alas….

      • Hoss

        Eloise sums it up beautifully here tonite. Plan ‘A’ fails, so go Plan ‘A’ even harder….. There is hope and a brighter future, alas a few solemn
        dawns before the promised land reveals itself.

        • You summed up a different sentiment of mine wonderfully too: thanks to the players for all they’ve given over the years. Even the ones I’ve criticised as not good enough, I’ve (mostly) not doubted your efforts, just the system your in and for some your ability to play at this level throughout your career. But all the best with whatever comes next.

    • Richard Patterson

      A classy note under trying circumstances I am sure. Well said.

    • idiot savant

      And I want to thank Randwick for running rugby. Can you please send us another coach? We kicked too much in that match.

    • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

      Well said. May we also thanks a couple in the administration for their contribution.

    • Happyman

      Well said Hoss
      The boys who have graced the wallaby jersey over the last five years have given 100%

      I see a bright future for the code with some very good young talent coming through.

      I will save my vitriol for another time.

  • Greg

    Congrats to England.

    I thought they played good controlled rugby. They waited for our mistakes.

    It will be interesting to see what else they have.

    • With the benefit of having watched the other SF, an exit next weekend if The Darkness play even close to that again. I wondered at times if I was watching a training run they looked so calm and organised and able to find every gap.

      • From NooZealand

        Yeah! It was good, but sad to see the Wallabies go home.

      • adastra32

        NZ were very good – but Ireland were just plain poor. The decline track has been clear and straight for the latter over the past year.

        • Ireland were definitely bad too and that probably let the AB play more than England will but they were just on a roll where every pass and offload worked too. If they play like that again, England will do better than Ireland but still get blown off the park IMO.

        • adastra32

          Every dog…and all that!

  • Gooddog

    I’M SO ANGRY.

    • Hoss

      I am sensing a pattern….

  • Gooddog

    STILL ANGRY.

  • sambo6

    Thanks to all the retiring wallabies for their service and efforts, But I’m too fucking angry right now to go overboard.

    Here I am in London. It’s 10;30am. We’ve just been fucking rogered by England. And I now can’t even have a fucking beer to calm down. I now have to start shifting boxes to move house. While only moving down the street while construction works taking place in our old joint, I will be parading back and forth in front of my English neighbours houses all day lugging boxes, while they lean over their front fences and give shit for this morning’s game….

    So yeah, I’m not in the best mood…..

    • Greg

      who says you can’t have a beer? Where is your commitment?

      It’s OK to say that you drank beer well on the training paddock….. but now is when the rubber hits the road.

      • sambo6

        Negotiating to watch the game on moving day was enough of a challenge. If I crack the beers now, I might be signing divorce papers next:)

        • Having moved in May, I think you’re… well unlucky in retrospect… to have been allowed to watch today. Hope the rest of the day goes a shedload better.

      • Yowie

        gold

    • adastra32

      That’s how it felt for me four years ago (only worse).

    • Human

      Ask them about the Ashes.

      • Greg

        Ask about Brexit?

    • Human

      Carry a cake of soap and a damp towel in full view…they won’t come near you.

  • Andy

    England were brilliant. Well prepared, on the same wavelength, few errors and much better tactically.

    Wallabies were the same as they have been for the last 4 years. No cohesion, no strategy, poor selections of players not in form and again bad defence. This was never really a contest.

    Sad to see Pocock, Genia and LLF go out like this. All great guys and have contributed massively to Australian rugby. But if we are being honest, all were really poor today.

    Can’t say a great deal about Cheika. We knew what we were going to get and RA should have known what they were going to get last year when they had the chance to move him on. They didn’t and now their judgement needs to be questioned. They bought the Cheika coolaid again and again he let them down the same way he’d been letting them down for the last 4 years. Simply the current situation is on them.

    • Big Ted

      Here here

      • laurence king

        Coulda got rid of this bloke 12 months ago but the board chose not to act. Definition of insanity comes to mind when considering the Board’s blinkered ineptitude……..they should resign, it shouldn’t only be Cheika that goes.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Damn right

  • So it’s live by the sword and die by the sword. There is a reason no other tier 1 nation runs the ball from everywhere, every time, and England handed Australia a lesson in exactly why you choose you times to run from your own 22 at the same time as a number of servants of the game hung up their international boots.

    Plan A failed, so lets try more plan A..

    There were some positives. Koroibete looked good, Petaia looked good. The set pieces looked to have parity, more or less, which against England is good. But England pretty much shackled Kerevi – he got a few decent carries but he didn’t look spectacular and because he doesn’t offload, they just gang-tackled him. Beale didn’t drop much and ran some nice lines. The Pooper were a nuisance, but so where their opposite numbers, I don’t have exact numbers, but it probably balanced out in the immediate impact, but in the bigger picture, their half-backs controlled the game better and their centres and back three were more dangerous.

    Farewell to the Cheika era. Whoever replaces you has got to be better.

    • Custard Taht

      I thought Latu had a damn good game.

      • laurence king

        Yes, he certainly did didn’t he

        • Custard Taht

          For Aus, I’d rate him our best on ground. My partner is not really into rugby, but she was commenting on how much work he was getting through.

      • Big Ted

        He’s got to be the biggest revelation of the WC for Aus. Closely followed by Petaia. But for Latu to go from a penalty magnet to best on ground in 2-3 of Australia’s Rugby WC games is amazing. Maybe if the rest of them get done DUI before Aug next year we’re a chance of getting the Bledisloe back

        • Who?

          And now he’s gone, off overseas……

        • Big Ted

          I get the feeling Aus Rugby are going to have to bend a bit on the eligibility thing with the amount of caps required to play. Whether that’s enough bending to allow guys like Latu, Arnold and Kerevi remains to be seen

        • Who?

          I hope we don’t bend. Not that way. I think playing for any team in SR or GRR – and, potentially, the Japanese Top League – should be ok, but we can’t afford to remove disincentives for leaving Australia. It’s much, much harder to hold training camps when people have to fly literally halfway around the world, and we play Tests outside the regular, nominated Test windows. Plus, we can’t afford to weaken our Super teams.

        • Parker

          It’s even harder to hold winning games when you don’t have your best players in the team.

        • Ian Rodger

          Is he confirmed to leave? Haven’t seen any news about it yet but might have missed it.

        • I only hope Petaia continues to live up to it. He looked good today, and good against whoever it was… but two tests do not a star make. Lets hope at the end of 2019 and 2020 we’re still talking about him so positively, then I’ll be happy.

        • Big Ted

          Agree El, a young JOC looked about as good at a similar age. Let’s hope Petaia can keep his head on his shoulders and his budgie in his smuglers a bit better that James did.

      • Yes, fair comment. It was all a bit close and raw to catch everyone because I was spitting mad about a crazy game plan and a game plan we’ve all known for years.

      • Adrian

        Possible that he is going to France!

        • Custard Taht

          I was not impressed by his off field actions, but, he is showing why we should give people a second chance. He has really matured this season, and his game has really developed and his brain snaps are pretty much non-existent.
          If we don’t change the eligibility rules, he will be a loss for the Wallabies.

        • Adrian

          Just looking for current articles, and can’t see any since July…all of which said Stade France. He was on the domestic nose then of course.
          Recent articles don’t mention him as a ” leaver”. I hope he is staying

        • Custard Taht

          I absolutely hope he stays, or RA accept reality and relax the Giteau Rule.

        • Adrian

          Yes, I hope they simply say something like:

          Played in Australia for 5 seasons and were available for selection during that period.

          There should be no mention of number of tests played.

          The current 60 test thing is a disincentive to stay home for players with few or no tests, as they know they are unlikely to qualify. It effectively keeps everything within a small co-hort of those already chosen

        • Who?

          I agree. I’d stay at the 7 years (5 years, you would have players leaving at 23 having received an EPS contract at 18), but 7 years and we’d still have had access to Mowen, Toomua, Fardy, probably White…..

        • Adrian

          Yep, that’s ok too Who, though some of those guys are getting old-ish.

          I think 5 gets us Skeleton, Gill, Kerevi, Naiyaravo and maybe McMahon. Would get Latu if he is indeed going.

          White is already snared by virtue of a 2021 RA contact

          We have to win

        • Who?

          I meant we’d have kept them when they left, in their prime. :-)
          So it would still give us access to seasoned pros who just happened to debut in Wallaby gold a bit older than JOC and Petaia.
          Agree, it’d give us the option of Latu now, along with Coleman, Arnold, and maybe a few others? Coleman would have the 7 years, just not the Tests.

        • Adrian

          Ok, yes, I agree we would have kept them and/or been able to use them when they did leave.

          Just reading SMH report on what Castle said today, and got a feeling they may scrap it altogether,… though article didn’t exactly say that

      • I thought I posted to agree with this, sorry if it didn’t show up.

        I was angry at the time and missed Latu out in my praise, but yes, he played well too.

        NM, it’s lower down!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Well written Eloise

    • Parker

      Eloise,never underestimate RA’s ability to do the same or worse. They have a demonstrated passion for underperformance as a board.

      • You’re right but if they only interview people with a decent CV they’ll likely get someone better, if only by accident!

  • Alan Grouse

    I will deeply miss watching Poey in a gold jersey. Thanks for everything mate

    • Haz

      One of my favourite players both on and off the pitch.

  • Greg

    Just me or did Read come straight into that ruck from the side?

    • Keith Butler

      It wasn’t just you. The ABs were doing it all night. Other teams just as culpable. It’s a blot on the game that needs sorting.

    • juswal

      He wasn’t playing in the Wallabies match.

  • Khun Pugwash

    So long and good riddance to cheika, grey and byrne. Failures for too long.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well, the Cheika era is over. We knew what we were going to get and we got it. I hope the whole RA hierachy fall on their sword. they created this shit fight they must own it.

    To the players leaving, god bless and god speed n your future careers! foley and phipps are included in that statement.

    cheika on the other hand, I will not wish him anything other than total apathy! He has destroyed this country’s rugby for 4 years. I know it was not his intent, but it is the outcome. the players careers he has ruined. The love of the sports that so many hands had but no longer do. There is more to come on this.

    Congrats to England. They played a great game to a great game plan.

    • Gottsy

      Well said mate. My heart aches for the players that should have been picked but weren’t, the careers of the players that could have taken us all the way, and for the players that will never wear gold again. They all deserved better.

      • Brisneyland Local

        That is exactly the thing that upsets me the most. The other thing is alll the years of people who were Cheika supporters, and how long it took them to realise that he wasnt the messiah. Just a Lebanese silk trader!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          What gets me the most was being too arrogant or whatever to lack the integrity to go when it was obvious even 2 years ago that he didn’t have the ability to do the job

        • laurence king

          It’s interesting how many journos are now beginning to criticize the man, I mean they previously were so effusive in their praise.

        • idiot savant

          They can do it now without being kicked out of the ‘inner circle’.

        • laurence king

          If you fake integrity, you’ve got it made

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Rats leaving the sinking ship mate

        • Greg

          For me, this is the new professionalism. Why would a player or a coach leave a well paying give without something better to go to. They need to be pushed. This needs a change in management approach more along the lines of the English soccer mgt – not that that is perfect. Big names are sacked early and often.

          There is the same issue in cricket. People hang on seasons too long for the $s.

        • Gottsy

          Yeah for sure. Also, how many players now have irreparable reputational damage because of him? We routinely played at less than the sun of our parts, and by blaming the players, their stocks unfairly go down (along with their confidence)

        • Bobas
        • Gottsy

          I chuckled way too hard at “Lebanese silk trader” haha

        • Brisneyland Local

          I chuckled more at Quades quote! Love or hate him. he is 100% right.

        • Parker

          Nah mate, he’s Australian. Own it.

  • Fatflanker

    Well goodbye and thank you to those departing players – I certainly wish you’d had a better exit than this. Also goodbye and best wishes to the coaching staff – unfortunately you werent up to it but no-one can fault your commitment. Perhaps,
    like EJ, you’ll learn and get better. To RA, please do the right thing, take ownership and resign -all of you. The players and the Australian game deserve better.

    • Parker

      EJ is a lifetime learner. I don’t think Cheika shares that quality. The saying about a leopard and its spots comes to mind.

      • I wasn’t hugely impressed with EJ until this year. I thought he went in, inspired his team, and then the pixie dust faded and he couldn’t do it for the long haul. But with actually small changes (although I’m sure a number of them hurt) he turned a team that were looking like his pixie dust had faded and so had they into a team that look like they absolutely deserve their RWC SF. They still have weaknesses and I don’t think they’re getting passed the AB if they were in the other half of the draw they could probably reach the finals.

  • Greg

    At least some justice with a yellow to 20 black. How 6 stayed on the field with 2-3 final warnings I have no idea.

  • Who?

    Well, that’s about the average. We’ve lost, on average, 35-20 in the previous 6 games with England. Tonight it was 40-16. So it’s hardly a surprise.
    Doesn’t mean it’s fun. I can deal with losing at the RWC. I wasn’t expecting to win. But to lose to England…. :-(
    .
    Especially with 64% possession. Why we bothered to have so much possession when so little of it came with any sort of quality territory is known only to Cheika. How many phases did we run in our own 22?! Crazy stuff.
    I thought we actually shaded England at set piece. Both scrum and lineout. Stats won’t bear that out – England won an extra scrum penalty, but both their penalty wins were incorrect (first was on an early shove, second they were on their knees), and Sinckler was dropping the scrum all night to avoid pressure. The lineout, I think we pinched one of theirs and won all of ours.
    But we couldn’t manage to offend with them around the park. They were offside half the night, they didn’t roll at the tackle unless it presented an opportunity to disrupt our ruck defenders… But we did nothing similar in return. And when they got the ball, where we just attacked seemingly at random, they had clear plans of where to attack. The first try in the left corner? That was on from the moment Pocock made the first tackle on that set of phases on the right hand touchline. They had numbers from then on, and preserved them through the entire series for the ‘easy’ try. That sort of discipline is laudable.
    .
    So I hope they go out next weekend and NZ put 80 on them.

    • Who?

      Worth noting, GeeRob’s written calling for Cheik’s head, but has pointed out he has another 12 months on his contract. So he doesn’t have to leave, and RA would have to sack him.

    • adastra32

      So, in short, England played the ref far more smartly, and the WBs with a far better tactical game. NZ are now massive favourites for next weekend.

      Whatever happens though, the margins will be tighter than today’s mismatch with Ireland..

      • Who?

        Set piece I don’t think that England played the ref more intelligently, he just made a couple of mistakes. Couldn’t believe Sinckler getting up from yet another scrum he’d collapsed and calling past Garces to “Romain! Romain!”
        .
        General play, I hate when refs don’t officiate the game. I don’t consider that to be playing the ref better, I consider it to be failure on the ref’s part to penalize cynical play. But I can’t complain of bias because Jerome just doesn’t care. He only refs parts of the law book, and he refs those parts consistently for both teams. But I’d really, really hate to resort to playing that sort of cynical game. Better instead to choose simply not to play endless phases running the ball in your own 22, and defend up the other end of the field! Don’t put yourself in a position where such unpunished infringing can be easily converted into points.
        .
        And, as an Irish born Aussie, and with respect, I genuinely hope the margin to NZ next week is huge. :-)

        • adastra32

          I’m well with you on non-reffing referees. BUT every major international team knows the package that is Farces: they experience it (all too) often. The England gamble of starting with the more mobile but less scrum-technical props paid off. Once Marler and Cole arrived, there was no problem.

          As an Irish passport-holding Englishman, I genuinely hope that next week will be as good a spectacle as I think it will be….and that we win, of course :-).

      • From NooZealand

        1 point is as good as any.

        • adastra32

          That’s all it takes.

    • idiot savant

      Good points about the scrum Who. The touch judges weren’t game to interfere so it was left to poor old Jerome who really couldn’t tell. Much of the skullduggery occurred on the opposite side to where he stood. Funny that! The second penalty against us was a joke. The English loose head went down on his knees and Australia drove through on Slippers side which caused the scrum to screw. Crazy decision. On the first one, Sio might have hinged but then again so might have Sinckler. It was that sort of night. Two good packs going at it. I would like to see the stats but I think scrums took up about 10 minutes of the game.

      • Who?

        The first scrum penalty (I think 55 minutes?) was created by England driving early. They’d popped Latu’s backside up and out before they fed the ball.
        I genuinely think we were the better scrumming pack, and Sinckler was the weak link.

      • Murray McGinn

        That French ref was the same for the ABs, even in the Richie McCaw days he couldn’t influence him.
        Eddie Jones said a couple of years ago Richie conned most refs, but this French ref hsd about the brain of a snail which he eats on a regular basis.

  • Hoss

    I mean, it could be worse. Imagine having 46 points scored against you in a RWC QF………makes us look half decent.

    • Who?

      Yeah, that’s my team too! :-(
      .
      I hope NZ puts on a show next weekend. :-(

    • Haz

      Classic Irish quarter final performance that

    • And not scoring until the 70th minute…

    • Brisneyland Local

      Mind you we werent playing the Darkness. If that had been us, the score lines would have been reflective.

  • Graeme

    We didn’t actually played badly, I thought we were quite good. Unfortunately we just played dumb. And England played smart. That was the difference.

    • laurence king

      Graeme, to play dumb, is to play badly. We used to play smart footy and were well regarded for doing so. This was embarrassing.

      • Graeme

        In the 90’s we were considered one of the smartest teams. I don’t think anyone would say that now.

        • laurence king

          The Wallaby IQ will go up when a certain coach resigns. From the late 70s the Wallabies have played smart but it has gone missing for a while now.

      • Brisneyland Local

        When the coach and the game plan are dumb, the players will adjust to that level.
        Like the old saying:
        “Never get into an argument with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience everytime!”

  • Graeme

    Englands sneaky use of analyzing videos of us and realizing that fast defense would lead us to making mistakes would be the difference. It’s almost cheating this analyzing the opposition thing, thank God Cheika is above that.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Pure gold.

    • Yowie

      Yeah, which dodgy country pioneered that sort of sophisticated video analysis in rugby anyway? From memory some bad bloke called Steve Macqueen while coaching the Austrian team in the 90s.

      • Miss Rugby

        Ah yes, the King of Cool. I loved him in The Great Escape, but it was his tactical coaching he’ll be remembered for.
        ;)

        • Yowie

          I’ll never forget how, for the 1999 World Cup final, he coached Matt Burke to take the ball over the crossbar via motorcycle jump.

        • idiot savant

          It was his assistant Ali McGraw that stirred the boys into action.

        • Keith Butler

          Cooler King.

    • Natman

      They only had to watch the Aus v Argentina game from earlier in the year to work this out!

  • Mishad
  • Wonky Donkey

    There is so much to be said about this team but to be honest, its all been said before by this awesome rugby community.

    This era has had its ups and downs. Ive enjoyed the first bledisloe first hand and every other games on tv like everyone else. Ive seen some great potential for the future. individual players such as tupo, pataia and the U20 and U18 coming through.
    Ive got hope that we dont fall to where we are now and we trend upwards, slowly, calmly.
    Id like to see us fade into rugby, play and build to the next RWC. As if we are doing our own thing.
    I look forawrd to a new era where we focus on ourselves and build a resilience and intelligence to rugby that suits ourselves. No pressure. Play the game in front within our limits. No pushing passes . Not playing to specialised players but playing to team strengths, like ruck defence, quick ball and set piece.

    I dont think our faults lie in our players, we have a world cup contending team but its in our coaching we fail. i look forward to the next coach with heaps of optimisim. There no way we can go down form here. We have so much going for us.

    I love rugby and i love the community on gagr. Lets go All Blacks and lets go Aussie rugby

  • Nick Fallowfield

    Some dignified comments on here, which are a fitting tribute to many servants of Green & Gold rugby. Pocock, Genia et al have been brilliant players for Aus and I wish them well in their new careers. Despite the tactical challenges of running the ball from everywhere I also quite admire the attitude to give it a go and not just be “safe” like England. Watching my team , England, win via an awesome defence, coffee in hand still in PJs and dressing gown I found a moment to sympathise with Australia. I was at Twickers when you dumped us out 4 years ago and that hurt. But that is sport and the roller coaster always continues. Having just watched the ABs demolish Ireland I think will have a similar feeling to you all in 7 days time! In the meantime well done to all your retiring players.

    • Will

      I’d definitely have a pint with you. Well said mate.

  • I Should be Coach

    I need to have a gripe – over 10 minutes of that game was spent watching Farrell and his bloody goal kicking. I think WR needs to bring in a game clock. 45 seconds should be enough. If they can’t do it in that time, penalty is reversed. This and the scrum resets need attention.

    • Will

      Soap dodgers still would have won but I agree. Worse still is Dan fucking Biggar doing the Macarena before a penalty kick….wtf.

      • I Should be Coach

        Yep. No doubt they deserved it. I wonder if they work with a choreographer

    • NickAJW

      Scrums – clock off until the ball goes in.

      Will take away the ability to burn a yellow card with no I’ll effects by taking 2 resets every time.

      Professionals are fit enough.

      • I Should be Coach

        Agree nick.

      • I would like that, although I’d also like a timer, from the time the scrum is called to front rows down in under a minute. Ref can stop the clock for exceptional circumstances like a player down obviously. But way too often one pack meanders up to the scrum, they have a chat, then they form up. Get the heck on with it.

    • Human

      I believe that there is a limit, 1 minute, but it is not enforced.

      • I Should be Coach

        It should be. It’s a joke. On one kick he took 1min 20 secs.

        • Yowie

          FFS. Some of us can complete the act of lovemaking in that time.

        • I Should be Coach

          Shit Yowie. You must me a marathon man. I’ve done the deed, had a smoke and am asleep in that time.

        • Yowie

          Well, it’s “the internet” so I was exaggerating my duration and prowess.

        • I Should be Coach

          Keyboard warrior. Love it.

      • It is enforced, by many referees. Garces… he chooses what laws to play with from week to week.

    • There is a 1 minute time clock on kicks at goal, be they penalties or conversions.

      By most referees it’s pretty strictly enforced and you see them hurry up kickers and (rarely, because kickers get the point when the ref says 10 seconds, 5 seconds, 2 seconds) disallow the kick. The minute allows for the tee, moving cables, resetting the ball if it falls off the tee and so on… all has to be done in the minute. Calling a player up to hold the ball if it’s windy too.

      I wouldn’t mind a 45 second clock though, just saying there is one and it sometimes gets pretty tight.

  • MungBean

    That’s officially Australia’s worst World Cup campaign. Ever. Only in 95 did they not win against a top flight side and that was a loss to the winners,SA, & a narrow loss to England.

    Australian rugby is a joke, run by a cosy clique, a congaline of Sydney centric, self interested suckholes; parasitic hangers-on with zero interest let alone appreciation of what made the Wallabies a great side between 1980 & 2002; who think that aping NZ is the answer because they have no appreciation of the inherent strengths in Australian grassroots that can be capitalised upon.

    Fuck them.

    • idiot savant

      Theres no need to be so polite Mung.

      I think we do need more Kiwis just the right ones. We need kiwis who can teach us to enter rucks from the side with out penalty, place hands on the ball in every defensive ruck and continue to hold on after being cleaned out only letting go when told to without penalty, move the ball a metre forward of the mark when taking place kicks, attack the forearm of the opposition line out jumper while making it look like you are going for the ball, master the flat pass and many more. They have real skills to teach us and its about time we started learning them because the 1950s approach to the rules we have just aren’t competitive.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yawn!

        • juswal

          If you’re bored here, show yourself the door.

        • Richard Patterson

          Never any boredom when juswal enters the chat room. What insightful Rugby thoughts from last night’s game are you sharing with us all today?

        • juswal

          ‘us’? How many personalities are inside your head?

        • Richard Patterson

          Yes juswal “us”. It’s the English term you use when addressing more than one person. I mean there is no way I could command exclusive use of that rugby Intellect you bring to this forum.

        • juswal

          There’s only one of you, Richard. Get mum to explain it if you’re confused.

        • Richard Patterson

          Enjoy the remainder of the Rugby World Cup juswal. I look forward to your constructive commentary.

        • Greg

          Yawn indeed but…… whether something is “pushing the boundaries”, “playing the ref” or just plain “cynical” is a matter of interpretation and perspective.

          You know my view.

          The NZ team is not at all the only team flopping onto rucks, entering from the side, playing offside…. They are perhaps the only team that has absolutely no need to do it to gain an advantage.

      • Richard Patterson

        You’re better than that idiot savant. You know it too.

        • idiot savant

          Im not sure what I got wrong there Richard? And while I might walk a fine line between sarcasm and sincerity, believe me I have nothing but admiration for the wholistic approach of the kiwis to the game. No stone is left unturned. Sir Richie himself said it was his job to push the boundaries until told he had stepped over the line and I always admired the way he accepted the decision. Im actually serious. We need to play smarter rugby as Human says. I want a kiwi coach for the Wallabies. It will also fix the interstate bias which cripples selection policies in Australia.

        • Richard Patterson

          I recognise your points but we both know the structures, systems and priorities of the new incoming Wallabies coach will rightfully include a much more constructive list.

        • idiot savant

          Absolutely.

      • Human

        I would call that smart rugby…if the ref is allowing it and one side is getting away with it, the other side needs to get on the bus…BUT be aware of where you do it in case the ref decides to see something….smart rugby.

      • juswal

        We need the right kiwis, for sure. The ones who can teach our players to be analytical off the field and instinctual on it. And impart that instinct for instant realignment and running support lines.

        Then there are things we definitely don’t want to import from NZ rugby: headhunting violence, disdain for the laws, training in professional fouls, sneering bad sportsmanship and gloating internet trolls who insult other countries’ players and coaches.

      • Holding on until told to let go is not only a NZ trait – most teams do it. Both France and Wales did yesterday for example, and SA. I’m pretty sure England did it and I would have said Ireland did too but not sure they were in any rucks. But normally they do.

        Likewise, every kicker I’ve seen moves the ball forward.

        • idiot savant

          Agreed. But somehow we are not being coached to do it. That’s why we need foreign expertise

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate I’m with you 100% on the kiwis brought in. None of them missed out on a position in NZ rugby because they were too good. Stuff up after stuff up

  • Caeliv Donnelly

    Hard luck Australia. Believe me when I say, there is always someone worse off than you.

    • idiot savant

      My condolences Caeliv. Geezus the ABs were freshened up by that break. Your Paddys on the other hand looked tired. The difference in speed between the two sides was palpable. If they continue to play like that only one team can match them for speed….. Japan!

    • Who?

      What a rotten night. Both my teams lost. And England won.
      At least, whilst it was a terrible way to bid farewell to St Joe, at least we had results. 3 years of quality football. A 50% win record against NZ (who else can say that in any RWC cycle this century?!). It took NZ years to figure out how to win the RWC – so often, they were the best side in the world 3 of 4 years, and would fall in RWC years. That’s not been Ireland’s problem – we’ve not been close to #1. But this cycle… I’d rather have 3 good years and lose RWC’s than 4 poor years. That’s at least a path to progress.

      • Caeliv Donnelly

        It’s been a good run under Schmidt, but that’s cold comfort today. His two biggest games in RWC QF both saw us shipping 40+ points to SH opposition.

        The IRFU doesn’t target the world cup as some other unions do, as being competitive all the time is more important as we are constantly trying to drive revenue so the team and our provinces remain competitive. We have less scope to experiment than other teams.i guess out RWC QF legacy is testament to that. It’s a hard pill to swallow today.

        • Who?

          I know, rough day. But there’s more good memories there for Joe than for Cheika. Gotta grab for anything positive at this point…..

  • dsb

    There were a lot of good Wallabies in the side and not in it, enough to make a world class team if it were not for the tactics and the approach to selection, coaching and strategy. So new coach but the underlying problem is the incompetence of RA. New restructured Board and leadership required otherwise who would put their hand up to coach? There are a lot of retiring players you could pay respect to but foremost in my mind is Will Genia and CL who were dedicated and demonstrated respect for the Jersey and in CL case did it the hard way. Pocock is world class but he has been treated royally without much game time! Go Japan.

  • Mart

    2 positives, a new coach and a young talent

    • onlinesideline

      Dont want to be a downer but we say that at the end of every cycle. The problem is that the people running the game keep on making stupid coach selections. If we get another dud coach we will waste another cycle of talent coming through. If RA don’t get it this time round, the game is dead set going to the cleaners.

      Admit that the Link debacle put RA in very tough position becuase all the top coaches were committed but this time around they should be able to get the right person for the job.

      • idiot savant

        To avoid another Link debacle they should just let Hooper and AAC pick the next coach.

        • Miss Rugby

          I thought that was how we got Cheika …..
          (I believe Beale, Foley and Phipps had a say in it too)

        • Zippo

          yes – I heard that too from a very, very close source within the wallabies

      • disqus_NMX

        TBH, all of Deans, McKenzie, and Cheika were exciting appointments that we were all enthusiastic about at first. McKenzie went down in a unique way, but Deans and Cheika went downhill, and no one predicted their decline, and the problem was that they got to stick around for far too long.

      • Human

        Perhaps the coach is not the problem?

  • laurence king

    It’s sort of interesting, that of late (very lately) certain journos are starting to criticize Cheika and his game-plan when previously they were generally full of positives. I guess they want to be welcomed by the new regime.

    • The Jackal

      I wonder if the story about the massive public confrontation between Raelene Castle & Michael Cheika at the Tokyo High Commission before the Fiji game will come out now. Apparently stopped the party & ended with Castle running to the toilets in tears. Good synergy in Australian Rugby.

      • laurence king

        I had not heard about that, would not surprise about Cheika. His graceless, grubby comments after games and the spin won’t be missed.

      • Human

        The Fux chaps said that the Pirate was holding a press conference last night….nothing since as far as I am aware.

    • idiot savant

      They’ve got to get into the new inner sanctum.

  • The Jackal

    You would expect a board spill with CEO, COO, Chairman sackings along with the Coach gone. Phoenix arise from the ashes time.

    • laurence king

      The debacle that this mob have overseen warrants some culling. They had an opportunity at the end of last year to get rid of Cheika and they failed to act. So this failure is as much theirs as Cheika’s

    • disqus_NMX

      You would expect that, but there is no accountability, and no democracy. It’s a bunch of old boy mates appointing other old boy mates. This will only change with a revolution.

      • Yowie

        I’ll grab my pitch-fork. Where are we all meeting up?

        • Who?

          Nutta’s place.
          Has our time come?

        • How far from Perth to Nutta’s, and does he know we’re coming?

        • Who?

          No idea how far to Nutta’s place, but I’m sure he’ll know. He’s been waiting to lead the revolution for a long time…

        • He’ll have to provide the pitchforks, cant get em on the plane :/

        • Who?

          I know he’s west of Anzac Parade (because he keeps talking about it!)…
          We’ll just have to make sure we get proper torches, not Tiki torches. :-P

  • Zippo

    Thank fuck that’s the end of cheika.
    5 years of hell.
    started his tenure as #2 in the world, and finishes as #7 in the world (behind Japan) and could slip to #8 if France win.

    5 years of his clique, and shipping so much talent overseas
    5 years of picking players out of position
    5 years of bias selections favouring the horror-tahs
    5 years of no tactics
    5 years of stupid game management
    5 years of rewarding average super rugby players
    5 years of destroying grassroots rugby
    5 years of expensive junkets (2 weeks in Sth Africa before the rugby championships this year that cost $1 million, plus 2 weeks in New Caledonia before the RWC)
    5 years of orchestrating ridiculous contracts (hooper – 5 years @ $6 million FFS)

    NB: What could grass roots rugby do with millions of wasted $’s

  • Mike D

    First off, congratulations… to Australia. That was a dedicated effort with some enterprising play, mixed up with some off-beat kicks and running that actually challenged the English defence.
    Now for the angry part. This is the first time I have ever genuinely criticised a referee. That was abysmal. England not rolling away, but CLL penalised for failing to evaporate out of the ruck – I think Garces gave him less than 2 seconds. England so far offside that at times they were on the Australian side of the ruck – literally, then watch Garces pushing the Gold defence back another metre. England entering from the side of the ruck – the Australian side of the ruck that is. And if Australia have any scrum dominance, hey just collapse the scrum about 5 times until you can get an early shove, we won’t penalise that.
    The “rush defence” is what made this game for England – all the mistakes came due to that pressure – hence all the English scores, without it, well you saw what happened when Australia had even an ounce of space. Without the offside advantage the English had, the score line is reversed. Sure adapt to the ref, but at some stage you expect the laws of the game to be enforced evenly.

    • Human

      Mike, while I agree with you, the offside line has been ignored all tournament. It seems that WR has instructed the refs to be less pedantic in the finals than they were in the pools. Side entry has been pinged once or twice but, by and large, the “gate” doesn’t not exist at the RWC. Slade should have had a yellow for rushing up when we were about to score in the first 5 minutes.

      • Mike D

        Human, yes, valid points. Yes,offside often was ignored, however Garces was pushing Gold back past the last feet, so seemingly selectively ignored. Though thankfully not penalised for Pocock’s early break and recover – as others weren’t also. As I said, this is the first time I have genuinely had a beef with the ref. Normally suck it up because the 50/50 calls could go either way, just this time it seemed ridiculously one sided. Simple test for me is, what would this forum be saying if the situation was reversed? Basically we’d be saying we didn’t deserve to win and just got lucky with the ref. (e.g. a certain Scotland game 4 years ago, and a home game v Italy about 3 years ago.)

      • I Should be Coach

        The offside policing has been abysmal this WC. Kieran Reid today literally entered a ruck and had to push the Ireland 9 away.

    • Zippo

      Let’s look at the cause of the perceived offside.
      1 – cheika plays a 1-3-3-1 forward split across the field.
      2 – genia always steps before passing
      3 – cheika wants to play flat attack (like his Randwick playing days in the 80’s – different breakdown laws in those days!)

      So, with no “punch” at the breakdown (point #1) we get slow ball.
      Then with Genia stepping (point #2) the defence play a rush defence, as their defence – and not our attack – is on the front foot. So, it does appear the opposition have encroached – but alas – not.
      Then with the flat attack, we’re trying to catch-pass in traffic resulting in mistakes.

      These same issues were present in the Wales game, resulting in intercepts

    • Greg

      We lost because of our tactics.

      It is also true that the England front row ate a lot of grass.

  • Adrian

    Once coach is on-board, the key things are for the selectors to (in order) find out the following from SR next year:
    *5/8 (Hegarty?, Lucas?, Harrison?, me?)
    *1/2 (not sure White’s the answer)
    *12 (Simone?, O’Connor?)
    I think the key is to build a team around the playmakers

    • Bernie Chan

      You’re a flyhalf…?
      Issac Fines for scrumhalf….

      • Adrian

        More like a 67 year old open sider or No12

    • Greg

      What about bring back Izzie?

      :-)

      • Adrian

        Heaven forbid

        • joy

          Heaven won’t.

    • idiot savant

      Hey Adrian. A relief to start thinking about the future! I think Toomua will be likely at flyhallf to begin with. There is a big drop in experience after that. Maybe Hegarty will snag the reserve spot.

      White will probably be half to begin with, again because of experience. Gordon must be in the box seat for reserve half. Some will promote Powell. McDermott a long shot.

      O’Connor will play 12 for the Reds so he will probably be 12 to begin with.

      The more interesting speculation is who will be in those positions at the next RWC. McDermott, Harrison, Simone?

      • Adrian

        Probably right with these idiot

    • I think next year’s SR will be interesting. I think White has to be considered as the person to push out at 9, but there are a raft of players with chances to put their hands up.

      Personally, for next year’s June tests (wherever that window has moved to, is it July or August now?) and give the best 9&10 combinations a half each, start one week, off the bench the next, to see how they go. Then make some choices for TRC. Probably do something similar with the 12&13, and back 3 although longer runs there because you run out of subs. I haven’t quite wrapped my head around the forwards situation, but again, experiment in the midwinter tests, try to get a balanced team for TRC.

      It doesn’t have to be perfect, but look to get some sort of a combination starting with little things like a balanced back row, functioning units around the park, and while not necessarily all players that will go all the way, a nucleus of players that will play 70+ tests over the next 4 years and be there in France in 2023. That might sound familiar to one @disqus_GEk7TCl13b:disqus because it’s what Fast Eddie for England…

      • Adrian

        Yes, a sensible approach Eloise.

        Apparently Rennie is renowned for being thorough and sensible… as well as creative…assuming he gets the gig

  • The Jackal

    A player probably taps out at being a top class player, at a guess, around 32 on average with some notable outliers over the years.

    The current squad who would be under or at this 32 age range at the time of the next world cup are

    Adam Coleman, Tevita Kuridrani, Scott Sio (32)
    Michael Hooper, Marika Koroibete (31)
    Samu Kerevi, Tolu Latu (30)
    Allan Alaalatoa, Jack Dempsey, Reece Hodge (29)
    Folau Fainga’a, Isi Naisarani (28)
    Izack Rodda, Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, Taniela Tupou (27)
    Jordan Uelese (26)
    Jordan Petaia (23)

    That’s 17 players who could be around by the next world cup and a hand full are already off overseas right away.

    I wonder how many outside of Petaia actually figure in calculations at the next tournament. Hooper, Naisarani, Dempsey, Rodda, Alaalatoa, Tupou but that might be it if the young talent can make some decent strides. Seems like this World Cup cycle might be a massive rebuilding project as well and RWC 2027 might be more realistic but quick turnarounds are possible as is evidenced by England.

  • Bernie Chan

    Well Kearns has once again trotted out his usual nonsense… apparently Cheika is OK, but the grassroots coaching is responsible for the daft tactics employed by Cheika (eg. lack of an exit strategy, run it from everywhere…). Never mind the fact that our U20s finished 2nd to France in the U20 RWC and the Aussie Schools side recently beat the NZ Schools side…Kearns can piss off along with the rest of the ‘inner sanctum’ currently running Oz rugby.

    • Greg

      Does anyone have a possible positive on the exit approach?

      To take it into contact once or twice – OK – to keep doing it and then lose it or have a pop gun kick under pressure – not OK.

      Was the strategy designed to protect Foley’s boot?

      TO test an idea to see if you can beat an opposition with a different approach is fine…. when it doesn’t work you change approach.

      • Clearly there are times when it can work. The Darkness scored a wonderful try against… um, oh The Wallabies at Eden Park this year running from about 10 metres from their own try line for example. I think it was that match.

        The point not being to run salt into the wound but to say for any tactic you can find a time when it’s the right one. But if it’s your only tactic, it’s never going to be great. It’s like last year with Hooper charging out of the defensive line on every play: Barrett exploited for a 4-try personal tally. But later in the year Tipuric (player in the same number shirt) used it sparingly to smash the opposition 10 and force an interception, a knock on and a forward pass, plus 1 time with no effect. Not bad out of 4 times he tried it in the match. Because it was a surprise and he picked his moments it worked really well, because Hooper did it all the time, it got exploited.

        If the Wallabies mostly kicked out of their own 22 (sometimes with a couple of rucks for a better field position etc.) and occasionally ran when the defences were streaming back for the kick… great. Running blindly… well we saw the results against Wales and England.

  • AllyOz

    Congratulations to England on their game. They were well deserving on the win and I look forward to their clash against New Zealand next weekend. Congratulations also to all the Australian squad, particularly to those players who played their last game last night. You did your best. I was one of the last to abandon Michael Cheika as a coach, more out of hope than anything tangible, though I do note a couple who were still supported what he was attempting to do last week. I think, as Hoss lead off, that, while we might be critical of almost everything he did from time to time, we acknowledge his work ethic or his commitment to the job. He maintained a commitment to playing attacking rugby throughout believing that attractive rugby can also be winning rugby. My own personal view is that he tried to play a game that was, at times at least, beyond the capability of the players, perhaps not just our players but all players. One that, at the very least Eddie Jones, found a way to combat fairly easily.

    That’s one thing about attractive rugby, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and Cheik was trying building a rugby game equivalent of a blonde bombshell with 36D bolt-ons in a string bikini. Wardrobe malfunctions were inevitable and not nearly as attractive as imagined. Sometimes that bookish girl in a blouse and pencil thin skirt wearing glasses in the library is just as attractive (and sometimes a little kinky).

    But Cheik did it his way, to paraphrase the song and he is was prepared to live and die by it. I am glad we didn’t change coaches personally as I think the way it is now, will give the next person the best opportunity to build the next championship winning Australian team. They won’t have to play catch-up, they will be able to develop their own strategy and playing group from the beginning, not with the pressure of an impending World Cup.

  • Greg

    Mr Cheika has resigned.

    Thanks and best wishes. It didn’t work out but you gave it everything.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/cheika-quits-wallabies-coach-falls-on-sword-after-world-cup-exit-20191020-p532h2.html

  • laurence king

    As it is in the SMH
    ‘Michael Cheika has quit as Wallabies head coach.

    After refusing to put a timeline on when he would make a call on his future, Cheika confirmed on Sunday following Australia’s 40-16 World Cup quarter-final defeat to England that it would be his last game in charge.

    Cheika also said he had “no relationship” with Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle and chairman Cameron Clyne.

    “It is no secret I have no relationship with the CEO and not much with the chairman,” Cheika said.’

    • Greg

      It is a challenge to work in an environment where you don’t get on with the boss or the bosses boss.

      • Patrick

        It’s a challenge to fail at your job… I’d have quit a long time ago if I was performing like that, except I wouldn’t have, my boss would have sacked me.

        • Greg

          Sacking someone is actually quite a challenge. A current court case refers. The alternative is a pay out and for whatever reason that did not happen.

        • Patrick

          So what? Pay him out if you have to. And I’m a lot more offended by the destruction of the wallabies than by Folau.

        • Who?

          Love Mr Cooper’s response on Twitter. Very honest – because it exactly reflects the sentiments of pretty well every fan on here…

        • laurence king

          Kearns said it lacked class, but that is the pot calling the kettle black.

        • Who?

          Kearnsy’s yet to say anything vaguely intelligent since wearing Gold for the last time, so I really don’t care what he thinks.
          It was unnecessary, but it was still restrained compared to what might’ve been.

        • laurence king

          Absolutely

        • Patrick

          Certainly reflected mine

  • Greg

    please don’t let Wales deliver 30 minutes of rolling mauls.

    The game is not strong enough to survive that.

  • Greg

    Wales desperately lucky to get that try. I would have thought 9 offside and the ball then traveled forward.

    • Custard Taht

      Wales are imposters and were not deserved winners. Only won on the back of a bullshit call.

      • Greg

        Agreed. They showed nothing. Very lucky to win.

        Can’t argue too much with the red tho.

        Come on Japan.

        • Custard Taht

          The red was well earnt, what stupid play.

        • Who?

          Moriatry’s high tackle would’ve been a RC two weeks ago, though…

        • Maybe, maybe not. It’s clearly arms, not shoulder, in an attempted tackle (so the starting point is yellow) and there aren’t factors to move it up (swinging arm, clearly excessive force like the head rocking back etc.). I think the framework says YC and stays there.

          I saw one over the weekend in the premiership that got a penalty… hand on the shoulder, pretty much on the point of the shoulder. Penalty. Didn’t reach over, nowhere near the neck. I guess by the letter it’s “higher than the shoulder” but if that’s dangerous… bah.

    • Human

      France,robbed. Poor refereeing.

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