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Beware The Wounded Beast

Beware The Wounded Beast
After what could only be  described as the biggest upset (and  best Wallaby performance in years) we are off to Eden Park with the wind in our sails. With the RWC looming, and the knowledge  that the All Blacks  rarely put in two bad games in a row, it is with some trepidation that the Walllabies travel to Eden Park, a place they have’t won at since before the World Cup was even a thing. With the rain sweeping in just before kick off, let’s see how it all panned out…

THE MATCH

THE FIRST HALF

The AB’s got out to an early lead after the Walllabies had just about matched their entire penalty count from Perth in the first eight minutes. Alll Blacks looked dangerous with ball in hand while Australia struggled to make metres and hold possession. Most of the first fifteen minutes were played in the Walllabies half until a semi chance for Koroibete off the back off a WhitelockHeadlock (trademark pending) penalty shifted momentum slightly. Christian Lealiifano missed a penalty from another Whitelock infringement but the Walllabies kept the pressure up. Lealiifano missed another penalty in the tricky winds and you had wonder if it would bite them.

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In the 29th minute it did, as an error in midfield, let to Richie Mo’unga to pounce and score. Conversion good and it was 8-0. Almost immediately the AB’s were in again, with the Wallabies guilty of kicking without adding pressure and Beauden Barrrett struck, linking with George Bridge who found Aaron Smith inside and suddenly it was 17-0. Dane Coles saw a yellow card just before half time just when it looked like NZ would get over again, and the Wallabies could only just hang on, conceding another penalty at the death that Mo’unga unexpectedly missed.

THE SECOND HALF

The Wallabies needed a good starry to the half but it was just the opposite, a seven man AB scrum causing a penalty before Alaalatoa hurt his neck crashing into SBW. From the restart the dangerous Sonny-Bill Williams crashed over and at 24-0 it was looking unpleasant. Coach Michael Cheika rang the changes shortly after the break looking for options and spark from a team that looked listless at times. The game meandered through the last thirty minutes with both teams mostly going through the motions. The Wallabies attack did look more lively but the defence of the All Blacks was exceptional. At the 67 minute mark a little Jordie Barrett kick put Sevu Reece away and after the conversion wet over it was 31-0. A final embarrassment came with 3 minutes left when George Bridge went over right in the corner and it was 36-0 The final whistle blew and Australia had all but forgotten last week had occurred as they were comprehensively dismantled Embed from Getty Images


The Game Changer

The failure to capitalise on the sin binning of Dane Coles really took the win out of the sails and signaled the surrender in most senses.. A general lack of execution and a game plan that played to the AB’s strengths all combined to doom us.

THE G&GR MOTM

Aaron Smith was exceptional when he was on the field. Everything he did was accurate, precise and created pressure on the Wallabies. He exploited the conditions perfectly and controlled the game.

WALLABY WORLD CUP WATCH

Given it was essentially the same unit that played so well last week it was hard to single anyone out who went badly. O’Connor  saw less ball, the pack were uniformly out-muscled and the game plan was wrong. This was as much about how the AB’s regrouped as anything else. I don’t think anyone played themselves out of the WC squad but no one should relax either.


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THE DETAILS

Crowd: a lot

SCORE & SCORERS

Australia: 0
Tries:
Conversions:
Penalties: Lealiifano 0/2
New Zealand: 36
Tries: Mo’unga, Smith, Williams, Reece, Bridge
Conversions: Mo’unga 1,  B Barrett 1/2
Penalties: Mo’unga 3/3

CARDS

Dane Coles Yellow Card 36

  • Custard Taht

    I am going to admit, I got caught up in the hope and excitement and was all aboard the Wallaby hype train….unfortunately the train derailed this weekend.

    Though if I am being honest about the why the Wallabies lost, it wasn’t because the All Blacks are and were the better team.

    It was because the Wallabies lacked intent and well, the All Blacks caught us on an off decade.

    • EmpiricalEvidence

      The All Blacks are and were the better side…by 36 points to nil.

      • onlinesideline

        i see what you did there

      • Custard Taht

        I guess that makes things about even. Both teams lost in a drubbing.

    • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

      Delusional. Lay off the crack, meth head. Love, James Slipmesomemorecoke xox

      • Steve

        Think you’re in the wrong place, friend. We don’t have bottom-feeder arguments here.

        And nor do we feed any trolls.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Nah, whinging is an Australian national sport every single time the ABs win. I’m here to provide a bit of balance. If anyone here thinks for one moment that the Wallabies are perfect saints, I suggest that you need to get your heads out of your arses.

        • sambo6

          yep, all your comments so far have seemed super ‘balanced’. Jog on my friend.

        • Parker

          Will somebody give him what he’s asking for and slip him some more cock.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Shove a cock down your throat. Having said that, the Australian accent does sound conspicuously high pitched. It does make me wonder whether Australians walk around with a dildo permanently fixed in their rectal cavities.

        • Steve

          Jog on, champ.

          You’re not going to get any more bites here with chat like that.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Oh, I’m disappointed. As opposed to being unAustralian, I thought chat like this is typical Australian.

        • Duvstar

          Can we just block this guy? As an Englishman who has gained a begrudging respect for the Wallabies through following this site and the pure honesty and self-deprecation that comes out of it, he’s really blocking the good stuff and clogging the feed (I also respect the ABs, although this guy is making it a lot harder).

          Just give it a rest mate, go and get a hobby or something. You’re wasting valuable hours and despite what you think it’s adding absolutely no inches to your dick

        • AussieDruggie

          Look, to be honest, I couldn’t care less if I was blocked.

        • onlinesideline

          speaking of cocks and throats – why is it that the only way to immitate a kiwi accent is with lockjaw ??

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          We speak English with an accent which is closest to Queen’s English. You Aussies speak English with an accent that makes a squealing pig sound like music to one’s ears.

        • onlinesideline

          yeah but back to cocks and throats – we’d prefer to stay out of that arena. If thats what it takes to sound like Prince Charles, we’ll pass thanks.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Now you’re reaching. That’s how your average toothless, drugged up bogan Aussie sounds. It’s like you tossers walk around with a dildo permenently shoved up your arses.

        • onlinesideline

          toothless like your ex PM ? Whats her name again ? Geezuz that was hard to look at and that was 3000 miles away.

          But we wont take the conversation near kiwi women, that’d it make unfair.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Speaking of PMs, I’m actually glad to see you kept this one for more than 10 seconds. The Australian prime ministership had become a rrevolving where Pepe le Pew could’ve wondered, taken over and done a better job.

        • onlinesideline

          I’ll take revolving politics in a country worth governing over stability in an outdated 70s time warp full of white people walking around in dreadlocks trying to be black ending every sentence in “bro”. The moari I know just cringe.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          So, you’d rather govern in a cesspool than in paradise. And, before you mention it, kiwis come to live in Australia to do their part, as guardians of Sainthood throughout the global community, in helping out poorer less fortunate nations. We come here to help prop up the Aussie economy, keep your sheilas happy and help support your bogans. And, this is the thanks we get. Sheesh.

        • onlinesideline

          Cesspool ? – Yeah, “Once were Warriors” looks delightful. From Gisbon to South Auckland, you lot seemed to have mastered living in the most vanilla, boring country on earth. No wonder you invented bungy jumping. Probably born out of wanting to hang yourselves.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          My aching sides from falling over laughing reading that incoherent psychobabble. You can do better, I’m sure.

        • onlinesideline

          OK…your woman.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          What about them? They actually look and sound like women, rather than squealing banshees who could’ve been deployed with megaphones in successful attempts to have ISIS lay down their weapons and surrender.

        • onlinesideline

          did I hit a nerve ?

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Not at all. I’m still pissing myself laughing. I think some of the words in my previous comment may have been too big for you.

        • onlinesideline

          it just seems when you mention kiwi women the defenses come out.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          So, I take it you agree. Australian sheilas armed with megaphones could end a myriad of wars around the world.

        • onlinesideline

          Yeah but your woman…..no wonder they are the most promiscuous in the world. Coupled with that accent. How do you guys do it..honestly ?

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Nothing wrong with promiscuity. Our women seduce men into surrender. Yours scare them to death.

        • onlinesideline

          so your saying the overweight, pale, freckled truck driver look beats tanned bikini Godesses ? I’d surrender too.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          We like them looking natural not fake orange tan bimbos who look like they just stepped out of a barbie doll production line.

        • onlinesideline

          Natural – is that what you call it ..lol – ok then you enjoy. But in the ANZAC spirit just wear a condom and no kissing !
          You guys have more STD’s than sheep.
          Anyhow its been fun
          Enjoy the land of the long white mullet
          Hope you survive the saffa match in the RWC so we can revisit some of that semi final heartbreak on your arse.
          Till then “get a woolly dog up ya”

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Haha, nice chatting, loser. Enjoy being fisted by your pet roo. Just a word of warning, protect your flaps from being shredded by Mr. Roo’s talon-like claws.

        • Custard Taht

          Thanks for sharing the wisdom of your own personal experiences. I will doth my cap to you, on matters of bestiality, your expertise is without peer.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          You joker, you. Australia’s favourite national past times, being fisted by their pet roos and sodomised by their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, whoever in the family happens to be free at the time.

        • Custard Taht

          Yet, you as a Kiwi, appear to be the subject matter expert on these things, and speak not with theoretical knowledge, but with real world, personal practical experience.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Oh, by virtue of having many Aussie friends. Apparently it’s rife over there. Nothing to be ashamed of though. It’s a part of your national identity. You should embrace it.

        • Custard Taht

          No judgement, so there is no need to project your sexual preferences and fetishes on to Australian’s.

          As you said, there is no shame in what you do, so just own it, you have a thing for animals and your family, whatever floats your boat.

          But you are fooling no one, hiding behind your “Friends”.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Ooh, you sound butt hurt. God, I’m so jealous. Mr. Roo’s already been at you this morning, hasn’t he?

        • Custard Taht

          Hmmm, I see you have run out of wit, but in your defence, it was only a small tank to begin with. I’d also say you just ran out of intelligence, but that tank emptied a long time ago.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          More butthurt. I’m actually pissing myself laughing at how many dumb Lostralians I have managed to rope in. My own version of rope-a-dope. Apparently, the tank of stupid Lostralians isn’t limitless.

        • Custard Taht

          I actually enjoy arguing with idiots, and like all idiots, you think you have “hooked” an unwitting victim, and believe them to be the idiot.

          Thanks for playing, you have given me a good laugh. Keep on keeping on, and remember to breath when thinking.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          You’ve been hooked, I’d say mesmerised. That’s why you’re still here replying.

        • Custard Taht

          Oh I don’t know, that “Sheila” you call PM, but in Australia would be a Lord Mayor, seems to be a better choice. She seems very good at virtue signalling and telling others what to do, and she doesn’t even need a megaphone.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          As opposed to ScumMo, a slimey religious nutter who believes in a mystical sky fairy.

        • Custard Taht

          Well, New Zealand is located in the arse end of the world, shit flows downhill, so I guess by default that makes New Zealand the septic tank of the world.

        • Custard Taht

          Hate to break it to you, those people you are talking about live in places like Bondi, the Gold Coast and Logan…..and they are satellite cities of New Zealand.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Probably but they are tainted by way of having become ensconced in the Australian way of life.

        • Custard Taht

          But Kiwis nonetheless….like Vegans and Crossfitters, how do you know someone is a kiwi, don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          You mean kayways. I blame it on the loig culture. Sex of one and half a dozen of the other. Steek a shreemp on the barbie (I know, it’s put a shreemp on the barbie). My personal favourite though Poiter.

        • Custard Taht

          Well old boy, if anyone knows what a squealing pig sounds like, it would be you.

          I would have thought being pricked more times than a pin cushion, you’d have learnt to stop squealing….but then again, maybe you squeal because like it.

          Either way your body your choice, no shame on this site.

        • moaning expat

          Please guys no more. Insulting kiwis to get to this idiot is insulting and disengenious to the other 99% of kiwis like KRW etc that are respectful and great on this forum. Just ignore it and like most children they will lose interest.
          Never argue with an idiot. Your best case scenario is you win an arguement with an idiot.
          Personally the few times I’ve seen bad reaction from people like this is when they’re genuinely frightened. It’s when the kiwis don’t say anything much is when it’s truly frustrating…

  • Gottsy

    That was just embarrassing. The AB’s played well but we really just did everything we could to lose that game. I can’t even say that any of our players had a decent game- not sure if I’m just clouded by the result but I feel that it was just an all-round dog shit performance. As much as last week was an anomaly though, I feel the same for this week- our true level is somewhere in the middle. Not sure how this will affect our confidence going forward, but we need to sort it out pretty quickly. Even though I tipped the AB’s, it still hurts

    • Last week I felt every little thing went the Wallabies way, this week the All Blacks way. So you’re probably right that the true level is somewhere in the middle. Possibly for both sides.

      A couple of questions really: do the AB kick on from this? Their tight suddenly sprang to life, the loose forwards clicked into gear on the back of that, and the Mo’unga + Barrett experiment looked like Team Awesome Force. We know from the past that they can, so I guess I’m expecting that they will.

      More importantly, what does it do for the Wallabies? I guess there actually aren’t a lot of pieces to fix. The forwards, and Beale mainly. I don’t think that’s solely Arnold for Coleman plus LSL up front, but you’ve got to think that makes a difference even if the other Tier 1 nations are going to look at this, and Ellis Park and say “This is how you beat the Wallabies.” Was Beale just having one of those days or has he forgotten how to cope with the wet since leaving Wasps?

      The selectors have possibly left it too bloody late to change LSL – they need someone to come on and take to test rugby like Naisarani did to be up to speed for Fiji and Wales. That doesn’t happen that often. But jeez, he looked totally out of place today.

      • Keith Butler

        LSL has had 4 games to justify his place an imo has failed. He was pretty much anonymous throughout the game. As I posted earlier, when we have 8 against 7 how do we go backwards twice? Admittedly, Moody got away with murder angling in but surely you can counteract this. A very lacklustre performance from the G&G overall.

        • I am not trying to defend LSL. I think he had a shocker in this game, and I think he should have been dropped before last week’s game. I was prepared to give him another chance after Ellis Park, but he didn’t impress me after the match against Los Pumas, I said he should be dropped then.

          My only real concern is that whoever you replace him with has been robbed of 2 games to get some experience and in a RWC year, where he’s going to be, you would hope, playing 6 for a side that is aiming to be there for the knock-out stages, running on for the two big matches with 1 and 2 caps is a big call. Ok, starting with 3 and 4 matches isn’t a whole lot better, but it is better.

        • Keith Butler

          You are dead right.as the saying goes, you’ve made you bed now you have to lie in it. Much as I support the Rebs, Luke Jones is not the answer, he’s a lock and imo always will be. If Pocock turns up fit, I have a feeling that the Pooper will return.

        • onlinesideline

          That hair is an insult to the jumper. At least wear a baby bib and when play stops put ya dummy back in.

        • As I’ve said before, I’m possibly one of the least qualified people on the planet to comment on young men’s hair styles. It is… distinctive though.

      • Who?

        Eloise, I’d love to know how things would’ve gone if the refs for the two tests were swapped… I’m not sure the ABs would’ve gotten up in Perth, but I think the margin would’ve been closer. Similarly, I think Garces would’ve been less overawed by Eden Park and the margin would’ve been tighter tonight.
        .
        In terms of what it means for the Wallabies, I think it means we still have no clue about what to do in wet weather. So there’s two questions. One – can they shake off that performance and blame it on the rain? And two, how much rain will we see in Japan?
        .
        If we can shake it off, then we can retain the game plan from Perth. Because that can work in good conditions. Though we should still have a plan B (much to the chagrin of some who berated me for suggesting we might need such a thing last week!).
        Two, I get the impression we should have hard, fast and dry grounds in Japan, so maybe it won’t be as big an issue (if we don’t lose all confidence).

        • I think it’s an interesting point. It was certainly referred differently this morning to last week. (As an aside there was a young French referee for Wales v England who made one howler and let Wales take a quick tap with the England player he’d shown a YC to still on the pitch but overall had a pretty good game. France obviously can produce good refs.)

          I think, from the way the two teams played, we’d probably have seen the same results, although you might be close about narrower margins in both games.

          It’s interesting to speculate a bit more widely – last week Australia got off to an absolute flier, and while I don’t think Garces was particularly instrumental in that would Peyper’s whistle have affected that first 20 and knocked the Wallabies’ confidence? If they were only 7 up say, White got sin-binned and a penalty try… I think that could make for a very different balance to the rest of the match.

          I agree about needing a Plan B. Every side needs a Plan B. Up here in the UK we got the NZ commentary. They were saying that the Mo’unga + Barrett experiment is seen as a potential counter to the Ireland, BIL and the like rush and choke defence. It’s the AB’s Plan B for the defensive systems that they’ve struggled against.

          I think the issue will be, the AB and the SA have shown the way to beat this side. It’s not novel. Hard, aggressive, forwards. Hard, accurate rush defence. Someone big to knock Kerevi down. Target Beale in the air and attack on Hodge’s wing. Wales can do that. Fiji can do a variant of that. In the later stages England or France can do that. Argentina with a bit of a rest between now and then might be able to. If there isn’t a plan B, wet or dry, I think there might be a lot of pain from the other Tier One sides.

        • Custard Taht

          I know this, milli vanilli blamed the rain for their poor live performances…..so why can’t the Wallabies.

        • Who?

          I wasn’t justifying the poor performance by saying it’s ok because it was wet, just pointing out that the Wallabies didn’t in any way play to the conditions.
          .
          And Milli Vanilli never put on a performance that fell apart as drastically as the Wallabies on Saturday. They had a solid first 24 minutes, 3-0 down at 20 odd minutes isn’t terrible. The problem was that, when we failed to capitalise on our opportunities, we mentally disintegrated like a cardboard box in the Eden Park rain… When did Milli Vanilli do that?

      • Parker

        I just don’t understand why I keep seeing people on this site saying that it’s too late to change________ (insert name of underperformer here, although Cheika is a good place holder). It’s never too late to improve! Otherwise you’re a lemming still running saying “it’s too late to stop”. You should at least give it a try while there’s still ground underfoot….unless you actually enjoy the freefall.

        • I’m only going to answer in one place, because you’ve basically made the same point twice.

          If this wasn’t the build up to the RWC, I’d be screaming, increasingly loudly, for LSL to be changed. As I said in my other post you commented on, I thought he needed to be dropped after the match against Argentina. The reason I think it might be too late this year is that long, bitter experience suggests a lot of greats take around 10 matches to build up their experience, get their feet at test level and show their class. So, you sub out LSL, hopefully you make the right call, and you get a player who is building his 10 matches experience… won’t quite have it by the time Australia might be playing in a final or a 3/4 play-off if things go well.

          Now, Cheika could have done more so we weren’t in this position. So could the other selectors. Dropping LSL a couple of matches ago. Giving Wright or Jones 20-30 minutes to see how they went, instead of giving LSL the whole match, or virtually the whole match each time. Things like that spring very quickly to mind.

          Pressing gamble now, and it is pressing gamble, I’m not sure. I think there’s a really good chance that, long term, Wright or Jones is a better 6 for the Wallabies than LSL. But in two and three test’s time? Pass. Not sure how well they’ll be up to speed. Next June… pick Wright, or Jones, whoever the new selectors are, please. Or maybe if the Wallabies get to a SF and whichever match follows LSL will come good under the 10 matches to find his feet principle. That’s why I think it could be too late to change now, in the build up to the RWC. It’s not an overall thing, it’s just these weird circumstances.

  • Hoss

    Has the game started, what I miss ?

    • Custard Taht

      The same train as the Wallabies…..cause they also failed to show up.

    • Keith Butler

      And your Minty goes down the tubes.

      • Hoss

        Nothing you can do but laugh. The Nearlies did what the Nearlies do. We actually looked ok for first 20 but go no pay then Gilbert’s throwing, well
        more like dropping a blancmange to Hodge and whammy, then we kick it to the most dangerous player in world rugby with time and space, he burns a very slow 6 and its goodnight nurse.
        From there it was always a case of how much.

        I thought the tactics were sound, the execution however was shite. Lilos kickoff was QC and the sunshine band 2011 RWC QF revisited.
        Knock on at the line out, give up penalty and I could feel the black fickle finger of rugby fate penetrate my rectum yet again.

        Gilbert, Lilo, FKA were all poo and that detracted from some good performances from a lot of the others. Again in the second we looked sharp and smart but turned over far too much of our ball and to a halfback sometimes FFS !

        I would say that should be Genes last ever outing in gold also. Thank you for your efforts but that’s enough now.

        Last thing to say (bike rising, nuts shrinking, cold sweats and shaking). The Nearlies were too good, but I would have LOVED the Wallabies to have played to potential.

        Oh well cest la vie.

        • Keith Butler

          Simmons did sweet FA maybe LJ is in with a chance after all.

        • Bernie Chan

          Have been a fan of Simmons, but his time has surely past? Jones has more upside..Think the LSL at #6 experiment should end as well…

        • Keith Butler

          My bottle of Woodford Reserve has all but gone. Drinking out of pure frustration.

        • Yowie

          Have you considered crowd-funding for more booze?

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Agree on all that except the bit about the game plan. Last week we brought a different one to the table (for a change). In the intervening week, the ABs analysed it and adapted, knowing we wouldn’t have another. England 2016, Ireland 2017 (or was it last year?) – same game plan in all the tests, 5 of which we lost. Cheikmate is no chess player.

        • Hoss

          I’ll have to watch it again GS, but I thought we got in behind em early and created space and looked ok. But failed to get points to show for the endeavour. Early on we got some gain from targeting Money Bill and ALB and actually exposes them a wee bit. I will admit we were too lateral in the first half overall and didn’t get JOC involved enough but I thought the plan was sound but the execution was poor. Couple that with the Nearlies being revved up and three keys for us being below average and two poor plays by us (shite pass from Gilbert to Hodge who was in a mile of space and it’s goodnight nurse and why of bloody why would you kick the pill to BB in open back died with a fractured line – we got what we deserved in that) and the ship had sailed.

          History will show the Nearlies where far to good. But we are the only team to beat them this year and by some note. They didn’t become a bad side because they lost by a record in Perth and likewise we aren’t all of a sudden a bad side with a poor coach and bad captain blah blah blah blah blah. Having now watched FKA over 3 tests I reckon the Pooper will be reinstated (Hooper is useful at line out time). Hodge surely has a question mark over him and Gilbert showed all the mental frailties that have haunted his career.

          On the positive, Toomua looked sharpest he has since return, SK again good, Koribete now looks like a rugby player, Naisarini was terrific, Coleman will benefit from the run and JOC is all class. There’s a solid base there, but everyone must contribute.

        • Who?

          To be fair to Beale, his pass wasn’t great, but the ball came on his left side, and he had to get it around his body to the right in barely a step. JOC held the ball to the last millisecond, and Beale did well to get it away. The bigger issue was that Hodge was – as Hodge ALWAYS is – too flat. We always see him having to run infield on passes to shorten the pass, receive the ball faster and avoid overrunning flat passes. He, along with far too many other Wallabies, needs to learn to understand depth. Put it this way – Voldemort wouldn’t have been so flat and wide running for that pass from Beale. And he’d still have been in space, with the option to step both in and out (where Hodge’s width meant that he only had the option to step the cover on the inside).
          .
          But I agree about everything else you’ve said regarding Beale.
          .
          I’ve said for a few weeks that I see a Pocock/Hooper/Naisarani loose forwards trio.

        • Who?

          Cooper still cops it for 2011. And 2015. At least we scored some points those nights… :-(
          .
          I really don’t know why we were trying to play fast and loose in that sort of rain when most of the Aussie Rugby public have forgotten what it’s like to see that much rain in 12 months, let alone an evening.

        • onlinesideline

          yeah the kiwis learnt that in about, I dont know, somehwere around 1905.

        • Hoss

          Not blaming QC mate, just referencing it. I recall three games of significance where the kick-off set the ‘tone’ for the whole match. 2011 RWC SF, 2013 deciding Test 3 v BIL (I was at that one and we dropped the kickoff and Sanchez went off his chops) and last nite.

          Poor kickoff, line out, penalty, scrum dominance, another penalty and I turned to Mrs Hoss and went ‘yep’.

        • Custard Taht

          Yep, which is proof of the ongoing Wallaby frailty. 79 minutes of Rugby left, but one bad play at the start and the world goes to shit.

        • Hoss

          And there is lies the problem CT. We have the skills, we have nearly the right cattle, despite some above we have the tactics and smarts, but we don’t have the grey matter to sew it all together regularly.

        • Custard Taht

          And that is what makes it all the more frustrating. It has been clear and obvious to everyone outside the “Inner Sanctum” of the ARU/RA for over 10 years, that the biggest problem affecting the Wallabies has been the mental weakness/blockage.
          Yet, there still seems to be no momentum to improve the mental aspect of their preparation.
          Instead of admitting that there is a massive mental aspect to their peak and trough performances, we get excuses like:

          1. The Coach
          2. The cattle
          3. Lack of intent
          4. lack of execution
          5. We were world class for 10 minutes

          The consistent inconsistency is a classic Human Factors error.

        • Who?

          I knew you weren’t – just pointing it out. :-)
          And trying to be consistent by dragging in 2015, where we won Bledisloe 1 and then got flogged at Eden Park.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Everything mate. Just like the Wallabies

      • Hoss

        From a different perspective what was with the weird hair-dos and the wild facial hair of the Blacks team ? And don’t get me started on the men’s team as well.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha mate when you win you can do that

        • onlinesideline

          was sitting in a restaurant and scrolling the comments and just let out a huge laugh from the gut which got a couple of stairs. You beat me to it mate. The kiwi women – constant solace over the years.

        • Hoss

          I now fully understand why the sheep cop such a rogering, if that’s the choices……..

        • Yowie

          Ewe better watch out.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ouch! But then I married an Aussie I served with in East Timor so I can’t really talk

        • Hoss

          Admit it mate your morphing into one of us, barring the below average rugby side that is.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          It’s the block that’ll stop the morph from happening

  • Andy

    I can take losing. I am used to it especially over there. But that was appalling rugby from Australia. Nathan Sharpe said at the end that Australia lacked the intensity and effort. And that sums this team up.

    To beat the AB’s over in NZ you need to defend like your life depends on it and put them under pressure. That’s how the Boks do it. Their D is A+, their attitude is A+ and they play their own game well. We don’t have the defence, the attitude or the ability to play a consistent type of rugby. What this means is in the pressure cooker games we leak points and don’t execute. Signs of a team with absolutely no gumption.

    On the individuals, Beale, Hodge and LSL were outright appalling. LLF had a really bad night also but wouldn’t accuse him of not giving 100%.

    • ozrugbynut

      Llf could be forgiven though considering the wbs were chasing the game all night and ab defence was good. The crime here is that he didn’t convert those two kicks at a pivotal time. The rest of his performance I can live with. We just don’t know how to play tight ‘test’ rugby, the type that grinds out wins. If we are on we are dangerous, if we are not then we are shite. I just wish we could play within ourselves a bit to keep things closer on the scoreboard as that builds pressure. This game was lost at 30mins.

      • Patrick

        Ironically we actually played much more “test” rugby last week!!

        All the tries were the reward for good hard forward support, running and clearing out.

        • ozrugbynut

          I see what you mean but we played the conditions too! And we had a one man advantage which gives a bit of license and we were also leading for most of the game. These guys don’t know how to play conservatively when the game is in the balance or we need to grind. We play beyond our skill set which is (usually) terminal against the ABs who will capitalise. We know this shit so why we learning?

        • Patrick

          quoteThese guys don’t know how to play conservatively when the game is in the balance or we need to grindquote

          We don’t know it, or more concretely we don’t have a captain or leadership group (except perhaps Pocock) that knows when to do this or how to change systems.

          And for me this is largely because we don’t have an even faintly robust mental prep strategy/ program.

      • Andy

        Too many guys have proven track records of not being able to execute under pressure. Beale is at the top of the list but there are many following him. So I agree, these guys can’t do tight test rugby and history and form suggests they never will be able too

  • Timbo

    Well, that was horribly expected.

    Starting from the top:

    How do we go from dominating their scrum to falling over in 2 weeks? Surely it can’t all be down to Arnold? Moody was angling in the entire time and yet we let it happen? Not a mention to Jaco ‘shultz’ Peyper?

    Secondly, our line out was worse than the 5ths in a rugby league dominated town. Again, Arnold is probably the lynch pin.

    Back row was nowhere apart from Isi. Played his guts out and ran for more metres than most of the backs.
    LSL – please stop the experiment. Find a way to be McMahon or even better McCaffry is waiting. A genuine 6/8 who can clean out has a motor almost as big as Hooper…
    White was probably our best.
    Lilo wasn’t as comfortable tonight. Unsettled. Much like everyone
    Samu was good but didn’t get the support he needed. How many time do we make a break only to be isolated? Their half back got 2 penalties ffs!!
    JOC wasnt used. So much for running around SBW.
    Hodge was trying but ineffective
    Mariska was going hard as usual but with no support.
    Beale was back to his Gilbert days.

    All up, I turned it off at 70min.

    What a joke

    • My only concern about dropping LSL now – and I agree he was shite – is there’s a game against Samoa, then the two tests that decide whether the Wallabies get out of the pool or not, and if they do, if they finish first or second.

      So you need to pick a 6 who drops in and plays like a test-quality by his second match. Players who look truly up to test quality in any position by their second match just don’t come along that often.

      While I agree, broadly about Lilo and JOC, the reason starts in the low numbers. The forwards got beaten up at every scrum, every ruck and every maul. That’s a slight exaggeration, but not much. So White got crap ball and handed it on, or tried not to and kicked it away. It’s hard for the 10 to do much with hardly any front foot ball, unless you’re a freak like Barrett. Look at the difference in Mo’unga between last week and this week and the difference in Lilo… in each week one of them had a dominant pack and looked great.

      I think Beale looked awful, and he’s going to be targeted by the high ball. A lot.

      • Packy

        yeah if only we had someone good under the high ball ….

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          … who could pass both ways, kick and tackle…

        • Who?

          And wasn’t dropped out of the 23 to make way for a geriatric who didn’t really do anything when he came on…

        • laurence king

          Yes, maybe the coaches will look at Banks playing the whole game against Samoa, and Petaia instead of Hodge

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          You’d hope so

      • Patrick

        As he was last time we tried him at fb until we replaced him with Folau

      • Parker

        So you don’t believe that a good motivated player with a warm up test under his belt couldn’t improve on the underperformance LSL has been turning in for the last four tests? That’s unnecessarily negative IMO.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Beale has has looked awful for years. Does one or two good things but his negative crabbing across the field, can’t tackle, can’t catch and out of position far outweighs what he brings to the team. He needs to be a bench player at best

        • Hoss

          Even rugby.com.au had him missing 66.66% of tackles, then again Hodge made 3 of 7 and looked like an asthmatic Clydesdale when he was labouring in pursuit of some blacks

        • Broadly I agree. I think, despite his deficiencies under the high ball, he looks better at 15 than at 12, but he generally looks even better with an even higher number on his back.

          It just gets really boring saying every week “I think Beale at 15 is a mistake, Banks should be starting there.”

        • Keith Butler

          Don’t think you can go higher that 23.

        • There is space between 15 and 23. I think he offers reasonable cover and attacking options from the bench. Although I thought when Toomua came on to the pitch on Saturday morning, for the first time maybe, he looked like a solid choice as a sub at 10. I think from his Leicester time he can play 12 well enough. He can probably cover 15 well enough too.

          There will only be place for one such player in the squad. After Saturday, for me, it just might be Toomua.

        • Keith Butler

          Toomua did ok when he came on looked sharp. Interestingly, I saw a quote from George Ford a while back that said that he was the best 12 he had played with. What does that say about Owen Farrell at 12? Don’t know what to read into yesterday’s England/Wales game. At times it looked like they were both going through the motions. Good job no injuries.

        • I think Wales looked like they had started to shake off the ring rust and were playing a bit more as a team than last week. England looked off but how much of that was having huge chunks of players with next to no experience and no time playing together?

          I would add, on top of that, that I think both sets of coaches are keeping some tricks back, at least offensively.

          I wouldn’t read too much into the comments about Toomua and Farrell. I think a lot of it depends on context. If he was being asked in Leicester at the presser for Toomua’s departure, he’s going to say that, and if Farrell doesn’t understand he’s the sulky little brat he appears whenever a decision goes against him. Mind you, if it was the day after he’d got back from England duties, it might be a bit more awkward!

        • Keith Butler

          I think you’re right both coaches keeping something back. EJ choices are a bit like pick and mix. Playing Lawes at 6 is a bit like LSL it just doesn’t work imo. I suppose the question is will be see the 1st choice xv’s from both sides before the competition begins. Wales will have 2 hard games against the Irish that’s for sure.

        • I think Jones likes his big forwards, and between Lawes and Itoje he has some soft-handed ball carriers in a way that LSL isn’t. They might be better the other way round though. I thought with the first scrum it would be a long day at the coal face for the Welsh tight five, but actually the scrums were quite decent, so he might move away from it.

          Wales need to get their new fly-half, Evans, some serious game time, even if they lose against Ireland. I’m guessing he’ll start both matches with Biggar on the bench. I think they need to roll the dice in the centres too, and probably in a batch of other positions. They’ve been doing it a bit – AWJ has had a different locking partner for example, Liam Williams was rested with a hamstring tweak that’s meant to be nothing serious. Navidi was meant to be rested for a bit longer. So what I expect we’ll see is odd players rotated in from Wales, plus a more experienced one or two around them – much like it would be if injury struck through the campaign.

          With Jones… I don’t have a clue. I would be thinking he would be playing his combinations a bit more solidly to get them settled but maybe he’s just going to rip everything up. I didn’t expect him to pick Heinz for the squad. And while he’s got a good pedigree from the Crusaders and he’s been a star at Gloucester, I didn’t expect him to be so dominant at 9 so fast.

        • Forgot to say, welcome to the end of a decade of being #1 in the world. Cymru am byth!

          While I understand the maths behind it, it seems wrong that you can win 36-0 and still lose the #1 ranking.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The way it’s done is so complicated that I’m not sure it has relevance. Besides Wales will only hold onto it until RWC then their usual choke will give it back to us

    • Who?

      Moody’s angling wasn’t the problem, it was that he was getting 7A’s to angle in. The overhead shots showed 7A’s almost at 45º to the scrum, giving Moody a straight shot at his ribs. And 7A’s didn’t fix it. Tupou did – he managed to stay much straighter. However, I think losing Arnold may have lowered the power going through both THP’s, as Tupou was staying straight, but was often being bent backwards. He did well to hold on long enough to clear the ball (where 7A’s was getting folded over Latu), but last week he was powering through. To me, that’s the difference in drive at lock.
      .
      Jaco was pretty enamoured with the home team, though. Didn’t win them the game, far from it! But it was a typical mercurial Jaco performance.
      .
      Their 9 may have received 2 penalties, but one of them was whilst he was lying on top of Genia. Some of Jaco’s calls… Like the penalty to Tuipoloto for us not releasing. Tuipoloto was offside – he didn’t go back and enter through the gate. His actions were perfect for the 2015 laws, but not the 2016 laws. Under the new laws, he can’t just stand up and claim the ball, he’s got to retire and enter through the gate (which is why I think the 2016 laws are stupid – his actions were awesome and worthy of a turnover, but Jaco paid them illegally).
      .
      But you’re right, our support play was terrible. How bad is it when your bench THP is the only supporting a break?! Great hands to pick up that pass, ridiculous that no one came through for him. Tupou played very well again tonight.

  • sambo6

    So much for the master-motivator…..

    An herein lies the problem with motivator style coaches. You can motivate for a one off, but to keep them pumped sustainably is hard if the systems , game plan and foundations aren’t right.

    • Zippo

      Don’t forget the captain…..

      In the post match interview he said; “we played some good footy there for 10 minutes” + “that levels the series at 1 all”

      • onlinesideline

        second comment is true though. Would be nice to have another crack at them on a dry pitch in a stadium that doesnt look post nuclear. What a dour scene.

        • AussieDruggie

          C’mon man, I’m as Australian as they come. No excuse, we were thrashed. The weather conditions or stadium are not the reasons we lost. We need to get in behind our team but make them accountable rather than whinge and make excuses for them.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Bang on mate

      • Not relevant to this thread, but I take back what I was saying about Read. Unlike Ben, I’d give him my MOTM award.

        • Keith Butler

          There’s life in the old dog yet. He did bloody well.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah he stepped up well and led from the front. I’m going to get smashed got this but I think Hooper needs to hand over the captaincy. While he gives 110% on the field he really hasn’t got what it takes to lead

        • Bernie Chan

          Mate, I agree! Hooper is a fab player, but a poor Capt…

        • I think Hooper’s looking better now he’s been ordered to play a classic fetcher and the back row is looking better for it, even carrying LSL.

          Who would you replace him with?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’d give Wright a go and bring in Samu. The thing is even if Hooper is the best 7 for the Wallabies he needs time off to rest and recuperate and he’s not getting it

        • Patrick

          I’ve thought that and said it here for two years now.

        • Who?

          And you’re not alone…
          Though tonight, I still thought his captaincy was better than it has been in previous years. He was trying to win over Jaco, it’s just that Jaco was in a mercurial, home-team type of mood. Even the YC, he had to have it called by his AR and the TMO. And that was off the back of a great AB maul that then turned uncalled penalty – maybe the Wallabies collapsed it, but the ABs had broken off the back of the maul with players in front of the ball. It was a very clear case of truck and trailer obstruction, the first penalty before collapsing and then the reversal for the throw on White.

        • You are probably right BUT it won’t happen while Cheika is coach. At least, one area of improvement is that he now takes the penalty option when he has it. Tonight unfortunately, LLF had a bad night.

        • ozrugbynut

          Bang on KRL. The stats are pretty appalling. I think you would find there is a lot of support here for that view and it would solve a few probs for us in the back row. Just wish they would make the hard decisions, just like James horwill lost the captaincy before a wc. Tough but for the cause.

        • Keith Butler

          Again not relevant to this thread. Big game in the early hours for both our teams. Good luck. Very fond memories of my trips to S Wales in my playing days. Felinfoel Double Dragon and Brain SA (aka Skull Attack). A decent pint.

        • Pob lwc to your lily-white rabble this afternoon too. I’m living in the land of a pint of Scotch these days, although my migraine tablets stop me drinking more than the odd glass of wine with a meal. Home of the 1936 Crusade and not quite far enough East to be a Sand Dancer. But in years gone by I might have sunk a few pints of Brains.

        • mark conley

          Read CAN obviously read then

        • :rimshot:

  • Keith Butler

    Do not blame CLL for this loss because he missed two penalties, it was a team effort. The Nearlies were just too good. Dane Coles, the gift that keeps on giving but we didn’t take advantage of it. Nic White needs to focus on his game not perceived indescretions by the opposition. LSL why bother. Simmons contributed sweet fa. Hodge a two legged cart horse. Very frustrated.

    • Who?

      I don’t blame Leali’ifano for the loss, but….
      His second missed kick, followed by the complete inattentiveness of our team to the quick restart, was the turning point. The first 25 were two teams without confidence feeling each other out. The ABs were having a go, but there wasn’t the usual Eden Park swagger.
      .
      Jaco certainly still sensed the Eden Park atmosphere – he was pretty consistently giving the ABs the rub of the green – and that helped them a bit.
      .
      But if it’s 3-3 at 24 minutes, then the ABs are still tense, and we relax into the game. Instead, it’s 3-0, we’re more nervous because we’ve had good territory and possession for zero points, we throw a loose pass to a too flat and too wide winger who can’t take it, and we’re suddenly 10-0 down.
      .
      It’s a bit rough to flag Simmons as contributing nothing when I don’t think Rodda or Coleman had a great game. And LSL was shown up again for poor hands and a lack of pace and agility that’s required in a 6.
      .
      It’s also crazy that Burke was pointing out – regularly – that Beale was in the backfield alone, 14 in the defensive line, as Smith was lining up box after box, and Beale wasn’t taking them well.

  • sambo6

    The worst part of all this isn’t losing the cup (again), or the way we were fucking embarrassed….

    It’s that this opens the door for checka to pick Foley again…..

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That could be true. I think there’s some big questions to answer before the RWC. The selections against Samoa could be telling

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      RA are still using him in the promos for all the tests – just saw one for the Samoa game and he’s the only one in the picture – as though he’s just been having a rest.

    • Who?

      I’m sure that’s the sort of thing that was going through White’s mind when he left the field. “2015, I played a cracker in Bledisloe 1, come over here and the pack gets hammered, then I don’t even make the plane to England!” It was almost the same for the 10 in that 2015 Eden Park Bledisloe – the pack got hammered, but it was all Cooper’s fault, too, so he was immediately dumped and Foley reinstated.
      .
      What do you think, after this, maybe we go…..
      Hanigan for LSL.
      Phipps for White.
      Foley for Leali’ifano.
      AAC for JOC.
      Taf for Fainga’a.
      Kepu for 7A’s.
      .
      .
      .
      :-P

      • Patrick

        I’m assuming the fetal position in anticipation for my nervous breakdown if that happens

      • Better – John Eales, Tim Horan, Jason Little, Phil Kerns and co. Even from retirement, they would likely make more of a game of it.

        • Who?

          Cheika wouldn’t pick them – too many non-Tahs. :-P

    • Brisneyland Local

      Exactly what I was going to stay!

    • ozrugbynut

      Not going to happen. There has been little suggesting that the CL move has been a bad one and what has Foley done to deserve it.

      • Who?

        How’s that relevant to Cheika? :-P

  • Keith Butler

    Question? On our ball with 8 against 7 how the fuck do we go backwards not once but twice?

    • NickAJW

      My observation I’m the first few scrums was that every time there was an aerial shot that the NZ loosehead (Moody?) Was at a right angle. Was almost as bad as Marler, but you play what you can get away with. Not sure if that happened in the 8 vs 7 ones, was noticeable that the scrum was much more stable once he went off.

      • I Should be Coach

        100% right. Not only did the props drive at the angle but the loosies also drive in at 90 degrees

        • Who?

          Go back and check the overheads again – 7A’s was setting up at 45º, giving Moody a clear shot to drive through his ribs. It was very poor from 7A’s. Surprising. :-(

      • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

        Do you wankers ever watch a match without whinging, whining, bitching, moaning or getting your panties in a twist after the ABs have finished butt fucking your useless, piece of shit Walladies team?

        • UTG

          Hahaha, stay classy.

        • laurence king

          He’s an unpleasant chappy, but he does have an elegant turn of phrase

        • laurence king

          When most NZ rugby supporters are off celebrating with their friends this guy is trolling us, ipso facto he has no friends

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          I am celebrating with friends. Aren’t you guys having fun? ANZAC spirit and all that, helping each to recognise their own shortcomings, call out each others bullshit.

        • laurence king

          So, more than one troll then.

        • onlinesideline

          by friends he meant human friends, not Mum and Dad’s farm dogs.

        • UTG

          Pretty funny he’s decided to troll on the most self-flagellating Australian Rugby forum. 90% of the people posting here regularly call us shit. Not going to get a rise out of people when they actually agree with you.

        • laurence king

          Yes, but we do it with humour and a bit of class for the most part.

        • Timbo

          Those Kiwis are excellent losers, and even better winners. Moody was driving in all night

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Keep whinging. It’s music to my ears. 36-0, motherfuckers.

        • As long as the ABs don’t win the World Cup we are all happy. Hail the NH resurgence.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Ooh, you bitch. I’ll have to console myself with NZ being cricket and netball world champs. How did Australia do at those tournaments?

        • OnTheBurst

          Did NZ win the cricket world cup? Talk us through it.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Yes, NZ are cricket world champions. Simple, really.

        • laurence king

          No they lost, a bit unlucky

        • Richard Patterson

          How about you show a little dignity and a little respect pal. That is the New Zealand way.

        • juswal

          He’s only doing what you’ve done in years past, Richie.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Oh, interesting. I’m new on this forum. Is Richard being a hypocrite? Did he come on to this forum and troll in the past?

        • onlinesideline

          yeah but you had to do the rain dance during the week didnt you. Why cant you miserable pricks ever provide a dry ground that doesnt look like the end of the earth ?

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Actually we provide grounds that hold up quite well. No point spending millions of dollars on beautiful stadiums with terrible pitches. Do you want to discuss the pitch at that dung heap you call Suncorp Stadium?

        • onlinesideline

          maybe because we play multipel codes, not just union and sheep shagging. Its called being interesting/

        • Who?

          Dude, you won!!! Chill eh bro?! :-)
          .
          Moody wasn’t driving sideways, but he was setting up beautifully getting 7A’s to pack with exposed ribs. I don’t know why 7A’s didn’t fix it, but every scrum, 7A’s would set up square, and end up at 45º on the set. Which is every LHP’s dream – a straight shot through the THP’s exposed ribs to drive him up and over the hooker.
          .
          Nothing obviously illegal in it from Moody, but absolutely looks like driving at an angle, because he was at an angle to 7A’s (with the incorrect assumption being that the THP was packing square).

        • AussieDruggie

          I agree JamesSlipmesomemorecoke. These Australians are sanctimonious pricks.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Thank you, AussieDruggie. Your friendship is welcome. We kiwis need to stick together against the big, bad, mean Australians.

        • AussieDruggie

          Haha sorry mate not a kiwi. I’m Australian brought up in Jamaica. I happen to agree with you though. I am many ashamed of my countrymen and women.

        • teach

          Clearly you are new to this forum. They do it every time. There is no need to come on here and troll. Just sit back and read the comments made by wallabies supporters.

      • Huw Tindall

        1 boring in was chronic. Was twitter chat on that. Peyper a bit shit at scrum time.

  • laurence king

    Bugger

    • Custard Taht

      I think you left the ed off the end.

      • laurence king

        Well, we got a lesson. Let’s hope we learn from it, not enough intensity either. Hodge good player, but too slow, Simmons has got to go the way of Hannigan and Beale got found out in the air. Three or four changes that’s all.

        • Custard Taht

          Yep, the team only needs a few tweaks, hopefully, the baby isn’t thrown out with bath water.

          But somehow I can see knee jerk reactions coming, and some retrograde ones at that.

        • laurence king

          I think that if it was just up to Cheika that would be the case.

        • MalachyBernard

          Why didn’t we stick with playing off 9 and keeping it tight, since it was working last week? Keeping it between the 9 and the forwards reduces the risk of isolation out wide which we are prone to. Box kick it all day if necessary. Kicking to the AB back 3 is suicide. Haven’t we learned that yet? Eddie Jones knew that it in 2003. He said they didn’t want to give them the ball. Fair enough- but ball in hand does not always mean it is expansive exciting rugby. What about emulating the successful ball retention of Ireland for games and conditions that warrant it?

        • Patrick

          Amen.

          The answer is that the forwards were too tired, in a nutshell.

        • Patrick

          If only we had a world class back 3 player with amazing aerial skills…

        • laurence king

          Yes, agree. However, I think that Banks is a better all round fullback than both Folau and Beale. If Folau was in, I’d have him on the wing. Intensity missing tonight, I think the occasion got to them and a smart kicking game from the Kiwis. They will pick themselves up from this and this time (as opposed to last year) I think they’l learn from it.

        • Hoss

          Story getting round today that Cheik likes to pick 3 hookers for RWC 31 meaning 18 forwards and 13 backs and if so that means Bastards, Sauce and Two-Dads fighting for one spot.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Yep

  • Bernie Chan

    The coaches boxes close-ups were illuminating….Cheika blowing up (again..) when the touchy correctly calls a “forward pass” against Lilo, and Hansen just folding his arms when his team made a mistake….Cheika’s post match also reinforces the suggestion that he is out of his depth…Don’t need to change tactics/strategy to allow for a wet surface vs a dry surface? Madness…

    • NickAJW

      For my money he was blowing up at Lilo (I think it was)- I certainly was at that point!

      I think we did change our tactics too? We barely kicked at all last week and every time this week. Kicking in those conditions is the right call…if you’re good at it, we aren’t really

      • Keith Butler

        CLL was not to blame, it was team effort.

        • NickAJW

          Agree – I actually thought he played reasonably well overall considering lack of platform (couple of wayward kicks aside). I was meaning that I think he threw the forward pass in question, and I was spitting because it was about the 3rd/4th unforced error in a short space of time.

        • UTG

          If Foley had turned in the same performance you’d be all over him. You can acknowledge that Lilo wasn’t half as useful as he was last week and that the team performed poorly.

        • Patrick

          Actually I was less frustrated with Lilo than I have often been with Foley. I put much more blame on the pack and the tactics, far too often we spread the ball when it wasn’t on and got isolated, far too often we kicked (full stop) the wrong kick with the wrong support.

        • Bernie Chan

          We had “tactics”…?

        • Patrick

          Good point, corrected to “lack of tactics” :(

        • Custard Taht

          I saw Cheika popping tictacs like candy….If I recall, in the 80s and 90s, tictacs were regarded as “my tactic”.

        • Singapore Sling

          When are Wallabies supporters going to realise a 10 cannot function if the forwards have turned up wearing skirts. Having said that I couldn’t fathom the attempts to go wide after the scrum was on its heels and retreating……dumb option from the inside backs.

        • UTG

          Love how ‘pack going backwards’ is a thing now CLL is playing flyhalf.

        • Singapore Sling

          It’s always been a “thing”! Over the last few years we’ve had a 10 that’s failed to take advantage of the occasions where our pack has had parity or better. CLL is 2/3 this year at flyhalf, how’s the alternative travelling?

        • UTG

          I’ve been generally happy with the shift to CLL at 10 and I’m well aware that a 10 plays better behind a pack going forward. I’m just enjoying the fact that Foley played behind a beaten pack at least 80% of the time over the last few years and never once was it mentioned whereas the first time Lilo doesn’t perform everyone is out here making sure we know it was the pack’s fault. I can guarantee if Foley played on Saturday and turned in that sort of performance 50% of the comments would be about how Foley is the worst Wallaby ever.

        • Who?

          Problem for Foley is that some of his poorest Wallaby performances were behind strong Wallaby packs. Like the 2015 Bledisloe win, and the 2014 Bledisloe draw. Both were poor performances at 10.

        • UTG

          You may well be right, I really can’t remember how he went in those particular games.

        • Who?

          I think the 2014 game, he stood so deep that Phipps couldn’t hit him on the full from halfback. Everyone panned Phipps’ performance, saying he wasn’t accurate enough, but Foley was standing 15m back and 10m sideways. It’s rough to expect anyone to be perfectly accurate at the edge of their range.
          And I say that as someone who doesn’t normally defend Phipps’ passing…

        • UTG

          You’ve done well here. All I remember is Hooper bumping Savea.

      • Bernie Chan

        IMHO…you are too polite…we’re shit at the tactical kicking game. Even the commentators mentioned the ABs could station every back in the defensive line when the Wallas were chasing the game, because they knew they wouldn’t/couldn’t kick! Hard to bag the ball-players (eg. Lilo and JOC…) when the forwards are being beaten at every contest..

  • Custard Taht

    There will be numerous reasons and excuses about why and how the wallabies lost.

    For me, the first question that needs answering is this;

    Why for over a decade, have the Wallabies been consistently, inconsistent. The peak of last weak and the trough of this week is not new.

    The Wallabies have shown they can reach the peak, but fark me, as soon as they do, they roll straight down the other side.

    Until they find, admit and address the root cause of the peaks and troughs, the Wallabies will be making up the numbers.

    The Wallabies are Choccos who melt under pressure.

    • bruce bendall

      To me it is because they play a risky style. When it comes together it looks great but when it goes wrong as illustrated by the muanga try.

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        That may be the case, but then they should develop the handling skills to pull it off. In all weather conditions.

      • Human

        It is no more risky than the AB style.

        • Sorry, disagree. I didn’t keep the scrum stats for yesterday’s match, but the AB won 8 scrums and the Wallabies 4. The AB also won the penalty battle 4-1 which usually means they had even more occasions putting in that this line suggests.

          To me, that says the Wallabies spilt the pill a lot more than the ABs, roughly 12-5, which some advantages that aren’t counted, so call it 2:1 or 3:1.

          Following on from that, while the style of play looks similar, it’s clearly not equally risky. Either they’re just more skilful, or they make smarter decisions. There are always going to be some knock ons, big hits that jar the ball loose and so on. There was one of those certainly for the ABs and I think 2 for the Wallabies. There’s probably going to be a dropped ball from a pass to someone not expecting it – the ABs had one of those, but I don’t remember one for the Wobs – and they had one where Whitelock jumped and couldn’t regather a kick-off, which I’m sure he’ll be beating himself up about, but it’s not a high-risk pass/offload situation. That would suggest it’s more like 6-1 for passing errors… So those “high risk” offloads from the ABs are either really skilful passes, or they’re making much smarter choices about when to make the offload and when to take the tackle and recycle the ball that way.

        • Human

          Thankyou Eloise, however I do not believe that your analysis points to the WB’s playing a more “risky style” than the AB’s. It does point to the relatively poor skills of the WB’s in terms of catch-pass; kick; and particularly positioning. Many of the dropped passes were due to poor execution and poor positioning created a lot of the pressure that led to turnover ball.
          Both teams, in my view, try to play an up-tempo game with plenty of ball movement…the AB’s were just much better at it last night. Compare that to the Ireland style that we saw out here last year – it was all about possession with very little risk.

        • ozrugbynut

          It is for our skill set

        • Human

          Then the fault is with the skill set and the coaching, not that the style is more risky than the AB’s.

      • Custard Taht

        I think the high risk doesn’t come from the playing style, but from the decision making.

        Especially under pressure, the Wallabies nearly always take the high risk option and force the play. Which then translates to be a poor decision.

        As they say, making a play is like a fart, if you have to force it, it is probably shit.

  • joy

    In both tests the tackling in the outer backs is a glaring weekness:
    O’Conner 6/10 3/3 for 69% is OK given he is new to his position.
    Koroibete 4/7 5/6 for 69% is also OK given he has a crack at anything including seagull shadows.
    Beale at 5/8 1/3 for 56% plus high ball turnovers is an issue.
    But Hodge at 2/6 3/6 for 42% should be shown the sideline.

    • There are a couple of specialist wingers ‘on leave’ – namely Naivalu and Speight. Hodge gives it all but as you say, he is not a winger albeit he showed good pace last week. Not much point debating it now. Next year, we will have almost certainly a new Wallaby Coach and I think two (2) of the Bledisloe Tests are in Australia – Perhaps, Perth and Brisbane would fit but more likely Brisbane & Sydney. I am optimistic that we have some top Junior Wallabies who will ultimately step up and bring back the days of John Eales and coy.

      • Patrick

        We don’t necessarily need junior wallabies. We need a new coach to 1) teach the players to run hard in support of every play or sub themselves off, and 2) devise better tactics. We also need a new captain to manage the game.

        We’ve needed those things for a few years now though :(

  • Greg

    Gosh that hurt.

    Pack was badly beaten and whereas we got the bounce of the ball last week it went the other way tonight.

    Can the difference in the tight 5 really be Arnold? We did stabilise in the scrum after the replacements.

    • Patrick

      Also we seemed lost in the forwards and incapable of setting a reliable platform because we too often didn’t provide White/Genia with the close in running into the ball crash ball options we did last week and we didn’t support the crash ball runners we did have (or any runners really).

      At one fluffed try Tupou was the only support runner!!

  • So it’s back to the drawing board. Unfortunately it is not really possible to give Hooper a break. He is consistently our best player. IF -IF – IF Pocock ever gets truly fit they could go half/half. Query, is Nisirani really better than Pete Samu. Interestingly tonight, I thought we looked better when Genia and Toomua were on and Slipper & Thor. DHP may also get another chance after Kurtley’s problem to catch the highballs. Maybe Kurtley to inside centre and Kerevi outside him. Or a Reds combination of Jordan Petaia and Sam Kerevi. FINGERS CROSSED THIS WAS AN ABERATION much like The ABS last week. Hail South Africa as better than both.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Beale has to go back to the bench. his performance last night sucked ass. The whole team sucked, but Beale sucked more. CLL and White stuggled behind a pack going backwards. So not really their fault.

  • I Should be Coach

    #NOFOLEY

    • Brisneyland Local

      Amen to that brother.

  • Patrick

    So the plan is coming off perfectly… we smashed them last week to create some demons for a possible world cup encounter, then rolled over this week to create a false sense of security…

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      And we brought it

  • OnTheBurst

    I’ll just leave this bit of tactical genius from the Wallabies here:

    Auckland drizzle won’t change our attacking style in Bledisloe decider, say Wallabies

    https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2019/08/16/bledisloe-cup-wallabies-all-blacks-weather

    • Huw Tindall

      Read this and had a dread thought as well. Handling cost the team tonight more than anything. Play smart, not fast.

  • sambo6

    In the coming weeks many will opine how we should swap this player for that player. With the exception of LSL, I still think this is our best side (of course also including Rory Arnold).

    Many will also attack lilo, white, beale, hodge for various errors made….but frankly, I don’t think the backs should even be in the conversation The forwards were monstered tonight….on attacking rucks, on defensive rucks, behind the gainline, in the scrum, in the lineout, and in the collisions in general…..what chance does a 9 & 10 have with that as a platform….???

  • onlinesideline

    Not much I can say after reading below.

    I still am very optimistic about the side because we dont seem a dumb team anymore. That doesnt happen without sweeping reviews and new ways of playing born out of a new coaching team / new selections.

    We truck it diferently now and we are doing a raft of things that are causing the ABs headaches. One thing I really think we need is more speedsters in the team. The darkness seem to have a bevy of players that are just damn fast off the mark. They keep on smoking our backs.

    This game was absolutely built for the ABs weather wise. They grew up in this stuff. We are not there yet but come a one off match in good conditions, in gee, I dont know, say a RWC quarter or semiI, can homestly say we are capable in pulling off a win. 3 months ago I couldnt say that. But the reality – it was a Blackout.

  • Human

    Previous AB sides would have put 50 on the Wob’s on a night like that. The fact that this side struggled to only 36, after leaking their highest EVER score last week, suggests that perhaps they are not the force of old.

    • onlinesideline

      I think they are exactly the same, we are the new team here. But then again 36 points. Geeze.

      • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

        Agree OSL – Blimey Charkie we got a right flogging and now there’s a suggestion that the other guy, if he had the whip, would have torn off more flesh?

  • Being forever the optimist, like Michael Cheika, the score last night could have been much, MUCH, closer. Count the number of great breaks we made. For example by Koroibete, Nisarani and Toomua which all come to nothing and nearly always ended in a turn over OR a penalty against the Wallabies for holding on – given the player making the break had no support. Plus the fact that from several of our promising moves the ball was not only turned over, the ABs got it and raced away for break-out tries. They always had support, we never did. Furthermore,we were over their line twice only to be thrown back. Add the missed kicks. Bad night for LLF as a kicker and a worse one for Kurtley Beale under the high ball. BOTH players are usually great in these areas. By my reckoning we should have scored two (perhaps three) tries and nailed a couple of kicks. Say a min of 20 points not made.

    ON A separate note, Jacob Peyper did an excellent job as referee. Fair calls both ways and he treated each team the same. Deserves his reputation as number 1.

    • Who?

      Since when has Jaco ever been considered #1?! He’s mercurial – he’ll have a great match one day, then a shocker the next… Not a patch on Barnes.

  • Richard Patterson

    And so it ends… Anyone recall a more unusual 2 test Bledisloe Cup series than the past 1 week? Anyone questioning the influence of attitude in performance should look no further than the past 2 test matches where I sense an element of complacency effected the All Blacks in Perth and they were rightly punished as a result. One week late, I suspect the Wallabies arrived in Auckland thinking another Perth type performance would get it done – only to be reminded that you must actually lift higher. Sport at the highest level!!

    Bottom line is both sides are better for the series because both sides learnt a lot about themslves. The Wallabies learnt in Perth they have depth, skill and belief. The work-on’s from last night were there for all to see. The All Blacks learnt that being the hunted brings risks. Caught in the wrong mindset, the results are horrific. Entering into a competition where 3 consecutive knock-out games are required to lift the Cup – preparation, attitude and execution under pressure are critical. If either side lift the William Webb Ellis trophy in Tokyo, they will look back on this past week as a significant contributing factor. For those living on the eastern seaboard of Australia, that gentle easterly breeze being felt this morning is the collective sigh of relief being released across New Zealand. The Wallabies gave the country the mother of all frights last week and whilst some could argue normal transmission resumed last night, the wounds opened up in Perth will not be easily forgotten.

    Oh and one final point…. On behalf of myself, KRL and a few other Kiwis who try to contribute to this excellent forum in a positive way we owe you all here an apology. It would appear some folks decided to enter this forum last night and litter it with some inappropriate, low-quality trash. Brave, nameless folks all abuse – but no analysis. We all know alcohol, emotion and a keyboard are a dangerous combination and unfortunately some people cannot help themselves. I hope people here understand they are a small minority – not the broader opinion. NZ Rugby needs a very competitive Australia as much as rugby in Australia needs a strong New Zealand to always set the standard. There will always be a rivalry – but there will always be respect. We all know there is little worse than bad winners and bad losers. Let’s hope this mornings headaches are sourced from a mixture of alcohol, and regret.

    • Keith Butler

      Good post. Just takes one to spoil it for everyone and we all have them.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Beat me to it Richard. It’s embarrassing to read and acknowledge them.

      • Richard Patterson

        Angers me KRL. Kiwis want everyone to be nice to them — but certain folks feel they can serve up all kinds of trash and act however way they wish. I wish they’d go follow Rugby League, MMA or other sports that seem to attract their types. Even better – migrate to places with no internet access. We’d all be better off.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          By the sound of him league and MMA might be something he could understand

    • Hoss

      Morning Dick,

      No apology necessary. Unfortunately their are those on both sides of the detch that really aren’t worth engaging with – besides a fire can’t burn without oxygen.

      A game III would be a peach but not to be. I wrote above that the Nearlies didn’t become a bad team because of Perth and the Gold arent all of a sudden a bad team because of a fortress Eden loss. The margins are so fine at that level that a game can quickly get away as evidenced all series.

      I have also calculated that as long as the sides finish equal in their respective RWC pools then we wouldn’t meet until a Final, obviously that hinges a lot on whether your lot make it that far………….

      • Yowie

        Haha – reminds me of a sideline interview with Ben Tune during a Reds-Watatahs game. The Reds were in an under-performing season (if you can imagine).
        Ben Tune “…yeah we won’t play the Waratahs again this year unless they make the finals.”

        • Hoss

          I still saw stuff I liked last night mate, all is not lost.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree Hoss. That very short period where they did some really good inter passing and change of direction demonstrated they can do it and will be tough to stop if they get it right

        • From NooZealand

          Probably you were looking at the Wallaroos. As for KRL comment below, he is just trying to console you.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        SA and NZ are on different sides of the draw after the pool play as well. I think they’ll be tough this year and could go all the way

        • Hoss

          Yep mate – the Saffas are very much a force to be reckoned with and quietly getting it done. The game on Sept 21 will have a massive implication. It will push the DDD or Nearlies into the path of Wallabies / Wales in a SF.

        • Human

          Saffers are my dark horse.

        • I watched the second half of the SA-B’s against Los Pumas yesterday, it was all that was broadcast up here.

          The offside call by the referee was absolutely right, although it was marginal, and but for that call, SA would have lost. It suggests to me that if they keep their A-team together they could go far. Their strength in depth is a bit lacking still. Particularly at 10, although I think their props and hooker too from what I saw – Jantjies looked poor, their third choice props and hooker looked ordinary against the Pumas pack that everyone else has pretty much bullied.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree mate. They’re looking good

        • Bernie Chan

          If they can field their best XV against the top sides, they (the Bokke…)could be well and truly in the mix….ABs too good and the night while our Wallas sucked. I don’t mind being beaten by a better side (BTW: how can Wales be ranked #1…?) but Cheika has once again shown he was a faux “Saviour”…his inability to recognize his team’s failings is an insurmountable hurdle. If it’s wet, then play ‘wet-weather-rugby’…? But as usual, Cheika sends his team out without the ability to adapt to the conditions or the game…

      • Richard Patterson

        Haha. A very big “If” pal.

        • Hoss

          Don’t be too despondent your lot are surely some chance….

        • Richard Patterson

          We’ll need a few things like referee calls go our way Hoss. As the rest of the world consistently remind us, that doesn’t seem to happen too often. ;)

        • Hoss

          Gold mate.

    • onlinesideline

      I wouldnt worry mate – it just a wind up. Shows how worried they were.

      • Singapore Sling

        Looks like the Colt family is out on bail.

    • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

      Speak for yourself. You don’t speak for every New Zealander and certainly not me. These Aussies can dish it but they can’t take it. They whinge like buggery after EVERY ABs match and become sactimonious pricks when you give it back. I won’t back down.

      • AussieDruggie

        As an Australian, I know what you mean.

        • sambo6

          Your shitty attempt at having two different login names is pretty transparent too mate.

          Dont try and deny it. The language you use is the same. And oh how surprising that you ‘both’ commented abusivly last tuesday for the first time ever (yes we can see your comment history genius). And then on this thread too, and invariably commenting on ‘each others’ abusive comments.

          You and your alter-ego, should take your more level headed country-mens advice…and fuck right off…..

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Wrong ‘genius’. While we’re in the business of telling people what they should do, you can go fuck yourself. I’m glad to see so many Aussies with their stained and knotted knickers in a twist.

        • Human

          Jimmy, old boy, there are many on here who would offer to engage you in a battle of wits but who hold their fire out of concern for the obviously unarmed.
          Whatever ails you, you should have it looked at as it sounds serious, though perhaps incurable.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Oh, scary. You know what, I just don’t give a fuck what any of you cunts have to say. I actually have 2 fully functioning arms, thank you for your concern.

        • Greg

          No doubt you have two hands. No doubt either what you are doing with them.

          Congrats on the win. The ABs played very well.

        • Steve

          womp womp

        • sambo6

          Well that’s odd. It was YOU that replied to my post directed at ‘AussieDruggie’…..who’s comments all now seem to have magically disappeared. It’s almost like I was exactly right.

          You would be totally ignored on here mate, if your pathetic attempt to wind us all up wasn’t so amusing in its bare-faced idiocy….

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          No idea what you’re talking about, moron. It’s amusing that you’re so paranoid.

        • sambo6

          Hahahaha. Good luck to you fella. You’re going to need it.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          You know what, I wasn’t even going to reply. I won’t bore you with all the details of why I ended up on this forum today. There comes a moment of self reflection when you ask yourself what the hell am I doing. This isn’t who I am. If you knew me, you would know that I’m actually better than this. I just want to say that I am sorry to everyone that I offended, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. Some of the things I said are disgusting and disgraceful. I guess it’s important for me to apologise, even to complete strangers, especially when I realise what a tosser I have acted like. It’s the right thing to do. So, rip in guys. You won’t believe how much abuse I can actually handle.

        • sambo6

          Well. Fair play to you for apologising. I hope you can overcome whatever substances or demons (or whatever else) drove you to act this way over the past 24 hours. Im gonna go out on a limb and attempt to speak for most GAGRS in saying I don’t think anyone was offended…..more annoyed and disappointed that our respectful forum was brought down a few levels.

          Again, and with sincerity. Good luck to you.

        • Richard Patterson

          Well I am pleased the level of remorse became so great you felt compelled to write that. I hope it is sincere because you upset a lot of people.

          Everyone is entitled to their opinions – this forum is full of them. Just be respectful of the way you choose to express them. As Kiwis we are guests on this website.

          Oh – and you may want to consider changing your name too. Your current one is neither amusing, or appropriate.

        • laurence king

          I thought that he was talking to himself when he was responding to Aussie Druggie last night, so I was correct in my assumption. Poor bugger

      • mark conley

        … and there’s no whinging sanctimonious pricks on your side …

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          No.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate don’t come on here and act like a cock! This is a site where people actually respect differences of opinion, have respect for each other and their teams, have some friendly banter and generally get on well. I’ve met a few off the site and now consider them friends. This is a place where the ANZAC spirit generally rules over small petty minded dissent.

        We won so there’s nothing to be gained apart from demonstrating what a poor sportsperson you are. If you can’t handle being respectful then fuck off

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Nice, simple and succinct, go fuck yourself. Continuous, without fail, one eyed whinging and bitching is not respect.

        • Richard Patterson

          Classy bro. There is the old theory that you are far better remaining quiet and being considered a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.

          Congrats bro. – you removed all doubt.

        • JamesSlipmesomemorecoke

          Like I give a damn what you think. Is it true that you are a hypocrite and used to troll here as well?

    • I would love to see Unified Rugby. The Kangaroo backs would certainly test the ABs across the park. Won’t happen I guess buthow good would it have been to see Wally Lewis and Johnathan Thurston playing against the ABs.

      • Patrick

        And Billy Slater

        • Richard Patterson

          Cooper Cronk would be clever to watch. Imagine Kayln Ponga, James Tedesco and Roger Tuivasa-Sheck as broken field, counter-attack runners. If only Rugby Down-Under had deep pockets. I’d go after all 3 of them.

      • Greg

        Our issue last night tho, was all about the forwards. With a solid platform… we can do well. I still don’t how we were shunted with 7 v 8.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Thanks RP. You, KRL, and FromNooZealand and welcome contributors, and we appreciate you being here. Unlike the other turds!

      • Richard Patterson

        How was Queenstown BL?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Still here. Just returned from Roaring Megs for dinner after our last Bluebird day at the Remarkables. Pure gold. I am very very sore. But have had a great time. 4 days of great skiing. Lots of great eating and drinking. Wonderful time with Mrs BL and the little Tiddlypegs! I would happily spend my whole winters here.

        • Richard Patterson

          Good story. Lived down there for 4 years – it’s a nice part of the world. Safe travels home.

    • mark conley

      well said,
      as for, “… I suspect the Wallabies arrived in Auckland thinking another Perth type performance would get it done …”, i’d say more likely they were thinking ‘we are going to cop it’ as it showed in their faces pre-whistle
      i had placed a considerable investment on NZ, to recoup last week’s loss, and felt so less stressed as i watched the pre-match to-do …

    • Greg

      Thanks and well said.

      “We all know alcohol, emotion and a keyboard are a dangerous combination” You forgot to mention “small penis”

    • From NooZealand

      Cheers. I was annoyed and surprised with those comments. I thought, but didn’t rebuke them cause I didn’t want to add fuel to the fire. As for: “that gentle easterly breeze being felt this morning is the collective sigh of relief being released across New Zealand“; you are quite right.

    • Who?

      Richard, I’d venture that 2014 and 2015 weren’t dissimilar to this series. 2014 it was ‘only’ a draw (where our backs didn’t capitalise on the forward dominance we’d earned), but the next week we were thrashed at Eden Park (and then the dead Bledisloe game in Brisbane – Link’s goodbye – we lost to a kick at the siren, at my end of the field).
      2015, we again had forward dominance in the first game, this time winning (in spite of a rough night from Phipps, exacerbated by a horror show by Foley, who ended up playing so deep at one point that Phipps couldn’t hit him on the full with his pass!), followed by another Eden Park nightmare.
      .
      So, not as unusual as one might expect.
      .
      And, on idiot posters… We’ve got a few good Kiwis (yourself, KRL, From Noo Zealand), who illustrate traditional Kiwi qualities (humility whilst being good humans). Then we see from other sources the modern Kiwi moral superiority (often the press, both Rugby and non-Rugby). Scrolling through the many pointless posts on here from some crackhead, it was nice to see that we’re not the only country afflicted with occasional anencephaly. :-)

  • juswal

    I’ve been saying the same thing for years so I’ll keep it short this time: I never expect a win in a Test match but I expect the Wallabies to turn up, play a smart game and be a genuine, skilled, competitive Test-standard team. Every time—not just once in five matches like we’ve been seeing for years.

  • Have you all heard Mr. Cheika is considering Will Skelton and Tom Robertson? Must be a joke right?

    • Brisneyland Local

      It is Michael Cheika. Of course it is not a joke.

      • Bernie Chan

        Nooooooo…!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Nooooooo!

    • Ed

      Who would he replace Robertson for? What rules would need to be changed for Skelton to become eligible?

      • Hoss

        Cheik absolutely ruled out any changes to rules to accommodate Big Willy. His quote was more along the lines of they will confirm what he is / isn’t doing contract wise.

    • Keith Butler

      Skelton is tied up with Saracens for 2019/20 with Kruis and Itoje at the RWC and the 6Ns in 2020 I doubt they would release him.

  • Zippo

    I’m very surprised that cheika hasn’t rolled out the not fit enough excuse

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