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Bledisloe 2 2017 – Missed by That Much!

Bledisloe 2 2017 – Missed by That Much!

Where do you start with Aussie rugby? They have absolutely nothing to lose tonight. If they can somehow upset New Zealand’s rhythm they may be able to make a competition of this.

The Match

The first half was a roller coaster for Australian Rugby supporters! The Wallabies scored three tries but every one of them involved some luck. From Folau’s intercept through Hoopers easy run in, to the ball bouncing off Will Genia’s $800000 knee the ball bounced the Australian’s way. But more important than the luck was an added enthusiasm to get up hard in defence, to compete at the breakdown and slow down the ball, to take the hard line and cart up the ball, and to throw caution to the wind and let the ball do the work.

Australia pushed out to a 17 -nil lead but that could have easily been 24-nil if Foley had been able to kick more than one from four. Of course, no New Zealand is ever out of the game and they roared back into contention with two tries late in the half and could have easily been in the lead if not for a minor indiscretion from Crotty and a dropped pill from Ben Smith. Is that more luck or the added pressure from the Wallabies? The next forty minute might give some answers.

The Wallabies were in this game right until the final minute. They managed to score two more tries but so did the New Zealanders. The difference was Beauden Barrett kicked every shot at goal while Bernard Foley could only manage two from five and missed the only penalty shot of the game. The All Blacks played well but were disrupted by losing Sam Cane to a head injury and had both Barrett and Crotty off for assessments.

The Wallabies definitely stepped things up from their recent efforts but the rugby public will need to see more than one game like this to restore their faith in the Wallaby brand


The Game Changer

Bernard Foley’s kicking. 2/5 conversions and 0/1 penalties is nowhere near acceptable. Now I’m not going to say he should have kicked them all but kicking most of them could have won the game.

The G&GR MOTM

This is the Wallaby player of the match and I can’t go past Will Genia. Rightly criticised last week he was a different player tonight.

Wallaby watch

Kurtley Beale had a good game and his steal off Sonny Bill Williams will be the stuff of legend. Sean McMahon was more noticeable but Ned Hanigan had another quiet night without doing anything wrong


The Details

Crowd:

Score & Scorers

New Zealand: 35
Tries: Reiko Ioane, Aaron Smith, Beauden Barrett 2, Ben Smith
Conversions: Beauden Barrett 5/5
Penalties:
Australia: 29
Tries: Israel Folau, Michael Hooper, Bernard Foley, Will Genia, Kurtley Beale
Conversions: Foley 2/5
Penalties: Foley 0/1

Cards & citings

None

  • Pearcewreck

    Dissapointing to lose, but we were never going to win.
    At least we defended well, put up a fight and pushed them all the way.
    But, it must be the 20th time in the last 15 years we have lost narrowly to NZ.

    Question: Is Aaron Smith the biggest tool on the planet?

    • Angela Train

      Yes he is

    • Hoss

      Tie with TJ Paranoia and who was that fucking knob in black that rubbed Hoopers head for last penalty off match – mental note, smash that fuckwit next game, repurcussions be damned.

      • Hoss

        Just watched it again – the Welsh pea Blower called ‘use’ twice prior to Hooper coming thru, 50/50 call.

        And it was black 16 doing the head pat…….someone (in gold) write that down.

        • Pearcewreck

          Yep, may we may as well go the knuckle.

    • Da Munch

      You’ll need and afterdavided to find that out.

      So will the red that was black be called now they’ve won the match?

      • Hoss

        DM if you mean will Retallick get sighted and banned – then yep.

        • Greg

          I thought the leading elbow was a penalty and the tip tackle was probably yellow.

          Interesting to see what happens….

        • Hoss

          Mate – you must have been in my loungeroom – i though thats what they were looking at ?? The first few shots of Retallick i agreed it was just a pile of bodies, BUT, when they showed arm between the leg and lifting, well……………….

        • Da Munch

          Exactly and forced into the ground.

        • first time long time

          Not only the lift I thought he followed through and drove him down as well but to
          Be honest I can’t claim to be anything close to neutral on this one.

        • Hoss

          I hear you, its hard to be objective about subjective content

        • Pearcewreck

          Yep, spot on.

    • Julius

      “Question: Is Aaron Smith the biggest tool on the planet?”

      That’s Aaron Smith World Champion, Bledisloe Cup Holder for his entire career and multiple Rugby Championship winner to you, chum.

      • Michael Hackett

        Yet squeals like a eunuch who was castrated by a disabled toilet door….

        • Julius

          It is just joy at rubbing Australian noses in the dirt…again. A winner throughout his career. A great player. Easily the best halfback to have ever laced a boot..

        • Michael Hackett

          The beverage of choice of Kiwi trolls….

        • Julius

          Guess who is drowning their sorrows? Not Aaron Smith.

        • Hoss

          Already got ‘engaged’ on disabled toilet, first cousin bent over the basin celebrating………………..then again ‘cousin’ is just a word !!

        • Julius

          Aaron Smith couldn’t be happier. He’s drunk out of The Bledisloe Cup for his entire career. What a player.

        • Jimmydubs

          he’s a great player but he’s still an utter bell end.
          i’m sure he’s your type of guy.

        • Julius

          Yep. A winner.

        • joy

          And toilet troll.

        • joy

          Sorry. He is the second biggest tool of all time.

        • Pearcewreck

          You are a propper knob.
          GAGR, please ban this troll

        • first time long time

          Nice to know the All Black fans were a bit rattled as well as the team.
          You wouldn’t be on here crowing like a bigger fuckwit than Aaron Smith if you weren’t shitting it just a little bit there.
          Can’t wait for Brusbin Bro and your inevitable “look at the scoreboard” retort.

        • joy

          And biggest tool.

      • joy

        Add biggest tool.

      • Pearcewreck

        Get stuffed you arrogant New Zealander, go back to your own country.
        You won’t be missed.
        At least I am true to the country I live,
        You and you ilk are scum.
        I loath you, and your type.
        This site is not for you.
        There is nothing worse than a troll like you.

        • fatman

          I find it ironic that you are calling for a ban on these so called trolls considering the utter vitriol in your comments. I am an Australian & a Wallabies supporter but your bullshit is uncalled for

      • MCOD

        And twat……..

      • Pearcewreck

        You’d know, you probably hang around public toilets like him too, do you?
        And Money Bill Spilliams too?

    • I think he stands in Dan Coles shadow in that department. But they are both very humble.

    • Hoss

      Come on PW, you ae our desinated hard-hiitter for kiwi trolls – unleash below …….

    • Tommy Brady

      You should be full of praise for your Wallabies Pearcewreck. Where are the deserved compliments for Arnold, McMahon and Genia in particular who were immense? What about the positive attacking intent all game? Oh – and the lack of any niggle and other stupid nonsense.
      Be positive mate!

      • Pearcewreck

        Get stuffed you arrogant New Zealander, go back to your own country.
        You won’t be missed.
        At least I am true to the country I live,
        You and you ilk are scum.
        I loath you, and your type.
        This site is not for you.

        • Tommy Brady

          Classy.

        • 30 mm tags

          Wish I could support you more, Tommy Bradythan my one upvote. Yes , the response is classy , the class that shows Green and Gold Rugby has a wider following than it once had.

        • mikado

          Hope you apologise when you sober up PW.

        • Pearcewreck

          Are you kidding?
          Apologise, he should appologise the arrogant tool.
          This site is for Australians, and Australians rugby fans.
          He may call himself one, but he is definately not the other.
          And don’t assume my state of sobriety or otherwiise.

        • Pclifto

          Yes PW I hope you re-read your comment this morning and apologise

    • Ryan Osborne

      Shhhhh, we got Phipps

  • Pearcewreck

    Thanks for the summary Sully.
    It is appreciated.

  • juswal

    Hat’s off to Sully for getting the review up so quickly.

    I underestimated the Wallabies. None of us imagined they could do so well. I am so proud and grateful and respectful. Every man in gold is a hero, and Cheika and his staff can feel vindicated too.

    Too many GAGR commenters, for too long, have indulged their infatuation with the All Blacks. They are just a rugby team: mortal, fallible, beatable. They can be rattled, out-muscled and pushed around. They can be beaten, and it will happen, and the Wallabies will bring that bloody cup home.

    • joy

      I’m speaking about defence. How can fixing a self made fuck up ever be described as vindication?

      • juswal

        Maybe it can’t. What counts is that they changed their entrenched thinking and came up with better, viable and effective tactics.

    • Pearcewreck

      Spot on jus.
      Too many people on this site bang on about NZ.
      We need to get over it and move on.
      It’s abit like the Australian media’s obession with the US.
      Who cares?

  • Hoss

    Keep it short

    4 emotions

    1. Pride
    2. Disappointment
    3. Respect
    4. Belief – again

    Thank you boys for snapping me out of my funk.

    • joy

      Well said.

    • Totally.
      It’s been hard to feel anything but disappointed for so long until this game. Well done Wallabies.

  • Waz_dog

    Genia – played the house down
    Hooper – so many missed tackles
    Foley – that a record for the most posts hit in a game?

    We got a lot of rub of the green in that game but glad we played a lot better than last week. See how bled III turns out

  • Stephen Samarjia

    Poor ned trys hard but just seems so ineffective and lightweight.

    • Missing Link

      He’s listed as 110kg. They must have weighed him straight after he got out of the shower fully clothed.

  • Straith

    The one mother fucker to not show up and play this week was Foley. Been saying it for years. He is mediocre at best.

    • Hold on. His kicking was mediocre but that’s a given. The rest of his game wasn’t that bad.

      • Straith

        nor…

      • Brisneyland Local

        Normally agree with you on most things, but Foley was crap at best. Place kicking and in hand kicking was shit. He was certainly not directing plan. Slipped off many tackled (but not on his pat malone there). But certainly not good. QC or any other 10 had a game like that they would be pillored.

        • Hoss

          BL have you got your Queenslander glasses on again ?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Hoss, everyone keeps for getting that although I live up here (henc ethe Brisbneyland Local moniker) I am a NSWelshamn. Born, raised and reared!

        • Hoss

          i knew i liked you

        • Andy

          5 is a fair score. He wasn’t great but wasn’t terrible. His kicking disappointed but he did make things happen in attack. So “mediocre” is a very fair assessment of his game.

        • joy

          Since when did “many” mean two. He made 14 and missed two. Have another home brew.

          PS: agree on Cooper.

        • Who?

          What’s funny is that when he has one of his less imposing games in a Bledisloe, it’s often one of our better performances… He wasn’t great in our 2014 draw or 2015 win, either, from memory… But he didn’t get in the way, either.

        • Andy

          Agree. QC gets a rough go of it on social media but you can’t say Foley doesnt either. He certainly cops it very sweet on this forum

        • Brisneyland Local

          Foley cops a bit, but he wouldnt cop a tenth of what QC was copping. Besides Foley deserves every bit of what he gets. He is a protected species. Any other 10 would have been booted for continued poor performances like that.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I honestly think an Aussie Barbarians coached by Alan Jones taken purely from players who played in Aussie SR this year and taken from outside Cheika’s squad would be in with a good chance of beating the Wallabies. The number of class players ignored my Cheika and the number of passengers and protected species is a joke – Stephen Moore takes the gold, Foley close runner up with silver and Hanigan gets the bronze.

        • Andy

          Don’t know if I agree with that. Every forum I read he cops it even when he plays well, for tahs and Wallabies. QC the same though. Maybe because both are terribly inconsistent.

          If QC cops it more it may have something to do with him being a complete dick a few years back. I dare say it seems a lot of people in rugby circles hold grudges for far too long.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Andy you are pretty much spot on there!

        • hippyb9

          Foley is far and away the best option as 5/8. Quade is far and away the worst option, as should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of knowledge about rugby – flashy does not mean good!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Obviously as a hippy you have been blowing a bit of the wacky tobaccy! Foley has every weakness now that Cooper has with none of the top end ability. I am a NSWelshman and I would ditch Foley in a heartbeat!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The thing that disappoints me so much is that in the last few years we have seen no improvement in his game. Considering he has nothing else to do except get better it appears that he’s just too arrogant to think he needs to, or has got suckered into the “no one else” so don’t need to syndrome.

          Personally I thought he was crap yesterday. His passes are slow and shovelled, his kicking out of the hand is rubbish – Beale has 20m on him – and he didn’t make anything happen yesterday, or not enough anyway.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Here here!

        • McWarren

          I’m not sure it’s any of those reasons KRL. I just think he is as good as he is going to get, and now teams are awake to his show and go off a right foot step he has no danger card.

          I think he is trying his best, but his best isn’t quite good enough. As a ten he doesn’t kick well in general play, he doesn’t have great vision to throw the right pass at the right time and the other string to his bow, goalkicking, is very hit and miss but always lacks distance.

          I just don’t see what he offers.

        • jamie

          Is this a joke?

      • Waz_dog

        Sully he threw 3 forward passes – how they weren’t picked up is beyond me. We also had an advantage and he tried throwing a wide cut out that fell two metres short. His passing game last night was mediocre at best.

    • SarriesFez

      Same as last week then.

    • Rob Malcolm

      And you’ve been wrong for years.
      When a kick hits the posts it isn’t technically that bad a kick – he hit the posts 3 times out of 4 misses. Last week he kicked 6/6. So last 2 weeks he’s 8 in, 3 posts and 1 miss out of 12. Blaming the kicker for a loss like that? Pathetic.
      His tackling was very good last night, I think he made 14, missed 1.
      They scored 5 tries against the ABs ffs, so the backs aren’t doing too badly through the 5/8 with his options.
      QC is gone mate, get over it and get behind the best we’ve got atm.

      • Darrin Briggs

        Well said

      • McWarren

        Take his goal kicking out of the equation. All rugby players should be able to tackle, so although I’m happy he made his tackles, I don’t think that should be a marker as to his performance. What are you left with, his attacking play and communication. I will watch the game again but from memory none of the tries were set up by anything Bernard did. He did back up well to score his try, but again as all rugby players should regardless of position. So as our 10 I can’t recall him putting anyone through a gap and his general play kicking is non existent. So what does he offer the team as a no. 10?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          You’re right, the only thing he did in terms of creating opportunities was running a support line for Genia.

          However, your flyhalf is meant to be the pivot. He should manage your backline, setting up other players, and generally do the bulk of tactical kicking too. If all he is doing is running support lines then playing him is a net loss and not a net gain.

          Foley did the bulk of the kicking, but he kicked shit (both goal kicking and general kicking), he had NOTHING to do with any of the tries. Genia had to do the playmaking for him. After having such an awesome partnership with QC he must be horrified by Foley’s incompetence in this regard. Please, rugby gods, QC to 10 for this year and then him to duke it out with Lealiifano from next year.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Bullshit. If you miss a kick by 5m or it hits the post it still a miss. If you are miss a penalty in the final of the soccer World Cup do you think anyone cares you hit the post? No, you fucking missed. And it was 6 very makable kicks for Foley, AND it was under a closed roof – so perfect conditions.

        We scored 5 tries? Great straw-man, Rob, how many of those tries did Foley set up? The only thing he did was to run in support and catch a pass after someone else made a break. That’s not what you want from your 5/8, it is their job to run the backline and set up his other players, he didn’t do it and he never does.

        The rest of them were set up by individual brilliance, except for Beale’s that was set up by Genia. Genia scored 1 try and set up another 2. He is doing a better job running the backline. As you said, they scored 5 tries against the All Blacks and Foley didn’t really do anything for them. What a joke.

        He tackled well for once? About fucking time. Fucking brilliant, mate, shame he left 9 points out there that would have won us the match.

        His clearance kicks were crap again too – I’m sick of him taking the clearance kick from around our 5m line and either not finding touch or finding touch near our 22 so that the opposition has an attacking line-out that puts the pressure right back on us. We continually get stuck in our 22 for like 10+ minutes because of his clearances.

        Speaking off, his touchfinding off of penalties was pathetic. Again. Hodge came on and we got 45m rather than 25m. Someone relieve him off all kicking.

        This bloke has cost the Wallabies most Tests than anyone I’ve ever seen and he never faces the criticism. Can you imagine if QC had missed 9 easy points under a closed roof? If QC had thrown that intercept against the All Blacks last week? If QC had put in that effort vs Italy? If QC had conceded that YC vs Scotland and put in the rest of that performance? Every single week he makes a new error and contributes heavily to our loss.

        • Who?

          It’s interesting that someone put up the 2013 Dunedin QC clip in the lead up to this game. Both games showed some progression from the Wallabies compared to poorer results the week before. The difference between the two games in the backline was where the spark originated. Foley didn’t provide spark, didn’t provide massive direction (Beale did, and Genia ran the overall game), and missed his kicks. In a stadium with no wind, where a bloke who normally isn’t renowned as a great kicker knocked over 5 from 5 (Barrett). Compare that to 2013, and in that Test, QC did provide spark, and knocked over every kick (even a field goal).
          I’m not saying that 2017 QC is 2013 or 2011 QC. But that’s the standard we should expect of our 10, not what we saw last night. For mine, our backs were the stars last night, but our 10 was our least notable/impacting player.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          As you say, even if he isn’t in the 2011 or 13 form he is still our best flyhalf (at least until Lealiifano is back, then there should be some healthy competition).

          However, with the right support and coaching who is to say he can’t get back in his old form? He played well in the RC last year and is now over the injury had for most of SR. I don’t think that Cheika is up to the job of coaching him, but Larkham would be a fantastic mentor.

          I think that part of the reason Larkham struggled to coach attacking rugby at the Brumbies is because his rugby brain and abilities were and are on a whole different level to the guys at the Brumbies now. He couldn’t ‘dumb himself down enough’ I guess. For example, imagine Federer coaching you in tennis, it would be too tough for him to help someone so much less skilled – ‘why didn’t you just go for an angled passing shot there, I could do it easily?’.

          Quade is the one player of genius and vision in Australian rugby (along with Beale). He has the best vision and game management in Australia since Larkham, and I really think he would be able to grasp and take onboard what Larkham was telling him. And he is a nice bloke and I am certain Larkham was one of his heroes and he would be interested in learning from him if given the opportunity.

    • Darrin Briggs

      Oh to be fair he hit the post 3 times how damn unlucky.

  • idiot savant

    Cheka is a genius. We were all wrong.

    • Hoss

      Credit where credit is due Mr Savant

      • idiot savant

        Doesn’t mean I agree with his selections. Or his game plans….

        • Hoss

          understood, but sometimes even an ugly dog can lick its balls.

    • one swallow doesn’t make a summer.

      • Hoss

        good first date though.

        • Pearcewreck

          Ha, classic, Hoss

      • Greg

        He was doing his nut in the box. Hard to think straight surely?

        • Who?

          What was weird was how bored he looked as Foley got over for our third try…

      • Parker

        Doesn’t even make a gulp

      • Pearcewreck

        Still, I’d rather a swallower, I mean, spitters are quitters.

  • mark conley

    Thanks.
    typo, ‘defense’
    Hanigan, ‘… quiet night …’? would like to see the stats

    • Hoss

      Mate – watched it just the once, was chemically enhanced (sour mash) but i think it harsh and unfiar to single out any one for blame / investigation. Thought it the first time we played as a collective for some time. Lets bask in the light of the best defeat we have had in years. The patient is still warm, lets postpone the autopsy till mid-week.

      • mark conley

        Hos i certainly wasn’t singling out Hanigan for blame, I was just querying the use of the ‘ … quiet night … ‘ in relation to him by another poster.

    • Funny I typed Defence and had it corrected to defense by the computer.

      How did Hanigan stand out? Made his tackles but what else did he do?

      • mark conley

        Didn’t claim he ‘stood out’ but queried the ‘ … quiet night … ‘ . That’s why I wrote that I would be interested in the stats.

    • joy

      Hannigan made 13 tackles for no misses, the best of both sides. Squire made 6 and missed one.

      • idiot savant

        Yes but Squire made about a dozen caries for a lot of metres. Hanigan made no ad line at all from a couple of carries. Look I think he was OK. I think he has always been OK. His job is to make tackles, he is a loose forward so if he wasn’t making them there would be no reason to keep him. He is no longer a real line out option as he hasn’t been called to jump as far as I can recall in the last 2 tests. He doesn’t yet have the strength to make any ad line in carrying. I think he has potential but he is light weight at this stage of his career.

        • ozrugbynut

          My thoughts exactly! Thought Rodda looked ok too, but early days

        • 30 mm tags

          Scott Fardy must be wondering if he hadn’t told Cheika his honest opinion if he’d still be in the team.

      • mark conley

        seems right

  • Greg

    So…. to the experts here… why did our defense work this week.

    I thought it was mainly outstanding although there were still people slipping off tackles.

    • I’m not a defensive expert by any stretch of the imagination but there looked like there was a defensive line that more or less numbered up. Last week there were either midfield blobs and lots of space on the outside, or a cluster near the breakdown and an outside player trying to cover 2 and a big hole for the midfield (hence Crotty who rarely scores, scoring two).

      Nearly everyone misses tackles sometimes. But if you’re lined up properly on the player you’re meant to be tackling you’ve got a better chance of hitting them properly. If they’re running at space and you’re not going forwards to hit them, but changing direction, going sideways and reaching, they’re going through your fingers more often that not. That was the big difference really.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Because it was a completely different plan to the week before.

    • idiot savant

      Im no expert bit it looked to me that Foley and Beale defended their positions off set piece, with the swapping going on in phase play.

      I also thought that DHP was critical in the early stages when the ABs had a lot of ball in our red zone. Made 3 very important tackles in the first 10 minutes. Keeping them out in that part of the game was integral to the whole match.

    • Hoss

      For mine mate the guys with numbers on their backs played in their corresponding D !!

      Who’d have thunk it

      • muppet

        Yes much better. Disappointing to see Foley not track Barrett to the blindside for his try. He just watched him and made Genia tackle. Still some work to do.

        • Who?

          I picked Barrett on the sweep live and was immediately looking for Foley. On the first replay, it was clear he didn’t start to move until after Smith had the ball in his hands. Now, I get that Genia could arguably cover Barrett and Foley may have been staying openside in case Barrett’s run was a decoy, with Smith going openside (Foley heading blind early makes it an overlap if Smith goes openside), but he didn’t even shuffle tighter to the scrum. It was all stationary, then, “OMG he’s gonna score – I’d better move!”

  • Queenslander

    I had serious wood for about 30 seconds and then flaccid once more. At least this is a performance I can live with as we had a red hot go

  • Greg

    Thanks for the write up and congrats to the Wallabies.

    The scrum was more solid with Moore subbed but still not anywhere as good as last week.

  • joy

    Proud at last.

    • Hoss

      Amen sister

  • Will

    Awesome effort wallabies. We are quick to put them down after a bad effort – but this was some serious resolve and steel. Like the lions we rattled the darkness. They are a top team and we had them punch drunk on the ropes. WELL DONE WALLABIES. Build from this effort and get stronger. We can beat them at the battle of Brisbane.

    • MungBean

      They let in 35 points

      91 points conceded in two tests?

      • Will

        ABs conceded 63 in two tests as well mate. 1st test was a shocker for us there is no denying it – to turn around and be in a position to win the game with a few mins in NZ one week after that is what we need to focus on and build on that – enough of the negativity. Get behind them and support them!

        • MungBean

          They can afford to do that if they score 91.

          At least 5 Qantas tries in the two games, were lucky. Hence my comment that this is unlikely to translate to a run of form.

  • Hanigan did nothing wrong? He was pretty lucky not to give a penalty try and get carded. The requirement is “an offence from which a try would probably have been scored.” It was an offence, clearly, that’s why they gave the penalty and you can’t tell me that pass that hit him as he was retreating that should have gone to Ioane 2 metres out from the try line with no cover isn’t a sitter of a try.

    I’m also going to be unpopular after this much improved performance and continue to say Cheika and Grey must go. Yes, the Wallabies performed a lot better tonight but whether that was the players stung in their pride and turning up despite the coaches or they were terribly prepared for last week thanks to lousy coaching or being massively rusty thanks to no build up, which again the coaches could have organised, even if it’s a hit out against Timbuktu Second XV. This was definitely a much improved performance but it’s papered over the problems that are still there IMO.

    • The offside was brilliant! And yes he was lucky to stay on the field but luck was mostly with us tonight.

      • Brumby Runner

        Sully, it looked to me that Owens probably thought Smith (or Peranara) had deliberately passed the ball into Hanigan as he retreated, and then ignored the likely outcome had the pass been made to Ioane.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Gotta take it when it comes your way and that was good to see

    • moaning expat

      Hannigan had a ahitload better game. And i think yoill find that the pass was forward and would have been pulled anyway. Thats the reason he wasnt cardsd.

      I have to say the tv replays and obviiosly limited camera angles were shite in dunedin.

      • Got to say the pass didn’t look forward to me, that didn’t seem to enter into the referees’ discussion but if that was the case, it would save him from the card.

        I’m not complaining about the rest of his game, certainly defensively (he was still pretty quiet in attack) but if that pass was not forward, which is what I saw on the TV, giving up a penalty try is a pretty big black mark. Even being at risk of it is not a good thing.

    • Who?

      I actually thought Smith was lucky to get away with passing it into Hanigan, as, to my eyes, it looked like a forward pass… It was well done by Smith though.
      I don’t put down this performance to the players improving massively. Because I don’t think they didn’t try last week. I put it down to a few things, key among them being that the defence was less confusing. If you wore 12, you defended at 12. Simple stuff. Also helped that the ABs looked overegged, too emotionally charged after slowing up in Sydney and then losing Pine Tree, so they went too hard too early. And then they tried even harder to fix it, which compounded mistakes (it was like watching one of Nick Phipps’ bad matches, where things aren’t coming off so he tries harder and harder which just makes it worse and worse). SBW had an absolute shocker. But the coaches deserve some credit. Maybe not for the post match interview on 10, though…

      • Greg

        Penalty against smith for a deliberate throw forward would have been ballsy!

        • Pearcewreck

          Go back to NZ Greg.
          this site is not for you.

        • Who?

          I’m with Brumby Runner’s comments below. That Owens decided the pass wasn’t really intended for Ioane, that it was always meant for Hanigan, and so no penalty try. But also that it wasn’t any more deliberate than a forward pass to a runner that’s simply thrown a little late.
          I think Owens made the right call. He gave both sides the benefit of the doubt. :-)

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      There was an article in the Roar talking about if NZ didn’t smash the Wallabies it would be a shame because a one-off game playing well would just paper over all the cracks that are so deep in Australian Rugby. Personally I though the Wallabies played bloody well. They definitely wanted it more at the start and faded with some of the changes that were made (on both sides) They took their chances and that hasn’t often been the case in the past. I still think there’s huge room for improvement and I wonder if the cracks are covered over for now.

      For me NZ were bloody awful. Stupid mistakes being made from people who think you have to make something happen every time you touch the ball. SBW should have been subbed after 15 mins as he was obviously off his game. I hope they bring in Luamape for some of the new games and also Skudder needs to be back in the team. I see Todd starting the next match while Cane recovers from his knock too. I loved the game and the edge of my seat watching but I was as disappointed with NZ as I was happy for Australia

      • I agree that the Wallabies played well and SBW really had a night to forget and should have been pulled. He’s starting to blow very hot and cold and might well get dropped and I’d agree with Luamape in for him. Skudder in might be a big call – would you pick him over Dagg? I might keep McKensie at 15 and bring back Dagg at 14. But I don’t have a problem picking Skudder either.

        I’d like to see Todd get some games, either as a starter or off the bench (Savea plays well enough to start and if Squire remains as the starting 6, Savea plays well in the tight channels and balances the back row nicely). But Hansen isn’t a big Todd fan for some reason.

        I don’t think the cracks in Australian rugby are the players. There are a few selections I disagree with, but there are in every team. (I don’t understand why Todd never gets a chance for the AB for example.) I pointed my finger very directly at the coaches. They had a confusing defensive “system” last week that just didn’t work, this week they went for simple and it worked. Why did they have such a mess last week though? I appreciate what we see Cheika say and what he says in the dressing room and in the training rooms and so on are very different but whatever he said (and did) in the four weeks to get ready for Bledisloe I was clearly a mess. It wasn’t just the defence, the side looked confused and lost. Which is what makes me wonder if there was, in effect a rebellion and the players just ignored the coaches (as the French did in 2011 at the RWC and made the final remember) and went for pride and playing for the jersey and each other. Whatever it is, this was a great game, and the players performed but I still think there are serious issues with the coaches but the players have made a lot of people look away from that for a week or two.

  • Tommy Brady

    Thank you Sully. I feel every Wallaby fan is deserving to feel very rueful, I honestly think you deserved better tonight.

    I also hope the critics of Cheika and Grey this past week are offering up some words of praise for an impressive turnaround. I too was guilty of being critical so I give credit where it is due.

    Irrespective of the results in Super Rugby this year, the issues with the Western Force and other off-field dramas the Wallabies tonight put a stake in ground in terms of standards going forward and that should be a source of pride and something to get excited about!

    The last point is simply how good was that match as an advertisement for test rugby? In the. comoetitive Australian winter sports market go stick that to the AFL. NRL and FFA and let them realize exactly what they’re missing out on.

    • idiot savant

      You’re right. A great advertisement for the game. I absolutely loved it. Entertaining, nail biting, fast paced, quality rugby from both sides. A real contest.

      And as I said pre game there are opportunities close to the ruck. Genia proved that twice for 2 tries.

      • Tommy Brady

        Always considered you a genius Idiot Savant!!

        Standout difference to me was how much more effective the Wallabies were in the contact. All Black ruck ball was much more static, Wallabies were not forced to flood the breakdown and could stake up their defensive line much more effectively. A BIG performance to build from. Keep the faith!

        • idiot savant

          Yeah the contact was much improved stopping that huge momentum the ABs rely on to score a quick brace of tries to put matches beyond doubt. McMahon was important. I also thought the ABs missed Cane a lot.

        • Pearcewreck

          Go back to NZ.

      • Who?

        Twas interesting to note that, in between his two runs, a couple of other players also attempted to go through the middle of the ruck. Those opportunities didn’t exist for the other players. The holes only opened up when Genia had the ball, as they expected him to pass.

        • idiot savant

          I said the edge of the ruck not the middle. The ABs actually exposed us on the edge in the second half. I got the feeling it was a halftime instruction. As you know, theres always opportunities in rugby on the edge of the ruck. Its a corridor of uncertainty. Theres lots of options. Defenders are never quite sure if the player with the ball will pass wide or short or just aim for a quick recycle. We’ve been so obsessed with going to wide pods that I don’t think we’ve taken advantage of it enough in recent times.

    • Johnno

      No the defence has plenty of work to do. They blew a 17-0 lead vs the AB’s and lost.. That says there are still problems with the Wallabies defence patterns. Also AB’s were down with losing Sam Can early, but Artie Savea played well. Good defensive teams should blow 17-0 leads..

  • Pedro

    So fucking sick of losing. I know I should be happy that we played better but I’m just enraged…

    • bazzar

      15 years of it, how many more?

    • Who?

      Much better a close loss with signs of development than what appears a comfortable scoreboard win off the back of blind luck (like the Italy game this year). Feeling better tonight than I did at any time in June. :-)

      • MungBean

        Development can’t be identified through a single performance

      • ozrugbynut

        The old signs of development… Ill call that when we have four wins from four in the RC and a good euro tour.

        • Who?

          I’m saying I saw changes in tactics and structures. That’s coaching development, and whilst one swallow doesn’t make a summer, it’s a whole lot more hopeful than empty skies. I hope we see results, but I’m more confident we’re a hope of those results now than I was a week ago.

      • Darrin Briggs

        True but I’m so angry that we switched off with 2 minutes ago it could have been such an amazing win for us the Bledisloe and for rugby!

  • Nickwaiheke

    Wonderful effort and I found my self shouting oh no as Barrett went over, you deserved the win over us and if it wasn’t for kicking! Go Oz !

  • Da Munch

    Enjoyed the game, which is a first for the last few years – can someone else take on some kicking? loved that it wasn’t just Foley kicking in general play but we need a decent back up goal kicked (thinking the Eales trying to find Stirling in 2000). How good was Beale?

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well GAGR’s for once BL is going to be positive. That was a vast improvement. My points in no particular order:
    – There is no way in gods green earth that was the same defensive plan. Fundamentally different, so lets not hope they come out and try and sell it us such.
    – Gee we got the rub of the green there and were fundamentally lucky on our trys. But hey you take the luck where you can get it.
    – Willy G definitely man of the match for the Wallabies.
    – Foley is still shit. His place kicking was fucked, his ball in hand kicking was fucked too. His direction of play limited.
    – Gee our scrum is shaky again. Really shaky.
    – The boys didnt give up, but it wasnt just the series on the line it was the faith of every Wallabies fan, and that is far more important than any series.
    – Ned Hannigan is a light weight.
    – Credit to the Kiwi’s they back themselves from everywhere. But if you GAGr’s think we are harsh on the Wallabies, that will be nothing compared to how hard they are pillored by the NZ public for the next week.
    – Ball handling issues and slipping off tackles still not fixed.
    – Line up is starting to solidify minus Moore and Foley.
    – I thought Nigel Owens proved himself as always to be the best communicating Ref I have ver seen.

    I will review the game in the morning, and see if my thoughts hold the same. Over to you GAGR’s!

    • ozrugbynut

      Our scrum was always going to be a weakness with a lightweight back row, hanigan is not a viable option and playing hoops and McMahon ist just asking for it. McMahon was very good in the second half but that’s when he should be starting.

      • EngineRoom

        Agree with you that it was always going to be a weakness but not because of the back row. Last week our scrum was much better than this weeks.

        The only difference was?

        Drumroll please ….

        Rob Simmons! Fair play, he was alright around the park and by no means a Hanigan 2.0. However he was a constant in a pretty shocking scrum. There was one moment McMahon was literally using all his body weight to lift Simmons and he wouldn’t move. He’s combination with Arnold is shocking and their timing was a result of this.

        I personally don’t like the back row as a unit in this team. However it was not the defining factor in the scrum. Especially when the scrum is majority tight 5 with support from the back.

        • Who?

          Go ask anyone who’s propped for the Wallabies over the past few years and you’ll find they’d rather have Simmons pushing them than most of the other blokes. Much preferred over blokes like Douglas and Skelton, for instance.
          I think the ABs targeted pushing across 7A’s at Squeaky this week. 7A’s couldn’t stay square, and we consistently fell away to the LH side. Kepu came on, Simmons and Arnold were still there, and suddenly the problem was gone. 7A’s is a good THP, but obviously still some gamesmanship and craft to be learnt, as is common for young props. :-)

        • Patrick

          Better than Skelton in a scrum is not exactly putting the bar high

        • idiot savant

          The over head cam last week showed angling in by the ABs tighthead on every scrum. No overhead camera this week unfortunately! But really the main thing was a weight advantage. They were just able to push us back.

        • Pclifto

          Perhaps… But Coleman out for Simmons felt like the chink in the scrum plan

        • 30 mm tags

          When Moore came off the scrum held better. It had crumbled just prior to TPN’s sub. Both scrums demanded huge focus and sync. They were right on our line.
          The combination was new due to Coleman’s absence and our tight 5 lacked unison. Isaac Rodda as the sub second rower did not let the scrum down. There is a future for our scrums .
          If our goal kicking success was as good as our scrums the score would have been closer.

        • ozrugbynut

          Coles, savea, change in nz strategy? I think there are a few other variables, but I do think simmons could have been a factor. Also not convinced by alaalatoa starting yet.

    • Who?

      Scoring tries off rapidly retreating scrums is actually traditional Wallaby play. :-P
      Kiwis won that match in the first 30 seconds. Yep, the first 30 seconds. Beauden Barrett won the match. Because he kept Folau wide, which meant Foley’s first action of the night was kicking a conversion from the tram tracks. And Foley missed. In a game with five tries each, decided by goal kicking, Barrett’s actions were the difference between the ABs winning and an alternative result.
      We’ve now had two Bledisloe games, and whilst I’m usually very harsh on refs, I thought they’ve both been handled extremely well. Both Barnes in the first game and Owens this time were very even handed. We got some good calls, they got some good calls. Just a shame our coach came out and whinged about the ref in the interviews on 10. Whereas Hansen was rather quick to credit Australia. And Hooper and particularly Genia were both excellent for the Wallabies (10 didn’t manage to get Read).

      • DReido

        Hooper Excellent? Go back and watch the game again and focus on him and see how many tackles he made. He’s shit

        • fatman

          Glad I’m not the only one to see it & he isn’t a good choice for captain either, I sometimes wonder if he knows the laws of the game. I find Hooper is the cause of a lot of our defensive deficiencies by rushing out of the line so much exposing holes for opposition runners

        • Who?

          Sorry, think you’ve missed my context about Hooper. I was referencing Hooper and Genia’s comments on Channel 10 after the match, not their performances. Though I would say that Genia did play excellently.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I’ve never seen so many mistakes by one player. I actually wonder if SBW is suffering a concussion because he was crap. Savea is no Cane, better in some ways but not as good overall. I think we’ll see Todd in the next game.

      • idiot savant

        At the risk of shaking the bee hive, I would say thats the difference over a full game between the different impacts a traditional 7 and a running 7 have on a team performance.

        McMahon played like a traditional 7 last night while the ABs didn’t have one.

      • Tomthusiasm

        Dat leg drive tho…

      • Brisneyland Local

        I think you are probably right. My Kiwi mates here have been scathing of the AB’s performance. Calling it one of the worst to date.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yep, with them on that.

  • Greg

    I want us to win. I really do…. but mostly I want us to play as well as we can. I think we came close to that tonight.

    Now the challenge is to build on that performance.

    – I wish Moore all the best for his retirement. There comes a time….
    – Foley, Foley, Foley…. why is he taking line kicks? Is he really the best 10… I would have given Cooper another run. Maybe this will still happen?
    – What happened to the scrum? Does Coleman really make that much difference?

    Come on wallabies… another couple like that please.

    • idiot savant

      The problem as I see it with the scrum is that we lack weight in the loose forward trio so there just isn’t enough support being transferred to the front rows bums. Also Arnold, possibly because of his height, doesn’t manage to shore up his props arse too well and we tend to buckle on that side a bit.

      But there seems to be a shift in the way scrums are being refereed. Barnes ignored collapses and shunts last week as long as the ball was put in play. He has always been a running rugby ref. Owens, to my shock did the same tonight.

    • MungBean

      Yes. Coleman does

    • Darrin Briggs

      The reason why our scrum was going backwards is because we have such light loose forwards not enough weight in the scrum.

    • Nick

      Yes we need to take this form with us and crush Argentina and South Africa. Build on the momentum.

  • idiot savant

    Nutta, I washed my car.

  • Texas

    How much longer do we need to persist with Foley kicking?! For goal, for touch, in play: is hopeless. QC wasnt a choice, and looks likely to never have another chance. Maybe Hodge, didn’t he play 10 at school once?

  • Hoss

    My player ratings
    1 Sio – 7 Strong all round
    2 Squeek – 4. Pipes and slipper times mate
    3 7A’s – 5 – ok at best
    4. Arnold – 6.5 Strong game all round
    5. Simmo – 6 did the hard stuff well
    6. Hannigan – 5 solid but no spark
    7. Hooper – 6.5 usual energy, but with more effect v game 1
    8. Macca 7.5 and my MOM. Did the grunt stuff, linked well and a bit stiff not to get a few turnover penalties to him
    9. Genia 7.5 – it was 2011 again for Sanchez, just pipped by Macca’s workload
    10 Foley. 6 for general play. minus 2 for kicking like shite = 4
    11.Speight – 6. Didnt go looking for work but was solid.
    12 Beale – 7 – was on track for an 8, but rushed up on Read in 78th minute when TPN had covered and the rest is history
    13 TK – 6.5 strong,but – got caught out a few times, lucky not to be burnt
    14 DHP – 6 strong and a must starter
    15 Izzy – 6.5, benefits from KB being back
    16 Kepu – 6.5, we looked better at scrum with Keps
    17 Robertson 5.5 another hannigan, what does he offer ?
    18 TPN – 7. what took so long to get him on. Chek, retire Squeak – NOW
    19 Rodda – 5.5 – 15 minutes, looks to have some mongrel, i like what i see
    20 Timani – 4.5 get angry and rip in big unit – unsighted
    21 Hodge – no time, one big kick to get us back in front
    22 Phipps – MIA
    23 Rona – Mia

    Thought we were about a 7 as a collective

    • idiot savant

      I agree McMahon was our best. I thought he tried last week too but was short of a run and timing was off. He worked hard in close all night and slowed a lot of ball. Im pretty happy with the pack. They weren’t dominated by the ABs and were so much better in contact. I thought the ABs missed Cane big time.

      • ozrugbynut

        He wasn’t that visible in the first half but came into his own in the second (which is why he is s finisher). I reckon he is very good. Still dont see sense in having a genuine 8 on the bench.

      • Darrin Briggs

        He played really well but he was out of legs for the last 10 minutes you can see him walking just about everywhere should have been subbed.

    • Pearcewreck

      Nice summary.
      You are on fire tonight Hoss.

      • Hoss

        Its an odd one isn’t it PW, i mean losing is losing – it sucks. But i have a calmness and a sense of satisfaction that it meant a lot to our boys and their efforts were great. I also like the responses of the boys after the game – it cut them and maybe, just maybe the belief is there that we are good enough (nearish anyhow) and we should have finished it off. I am sure next week we will pick and bitch (myself included) about the one percenters that cost us (did we win a kick-off all nite ??) but our attitude, effort, direction, intent and teamwork were first rate and i am proud and have a crush again. Our passing was good, support lines, the D was offensive and didnt give ground. Some fine tuning, some fire in the belly and some more games under our belt (is it just me or why dont we play these fuckers late in the RC so we have some miles under our belt first ??) and for me, a lot to like and look forward too.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Thought Hanigan was lucky to get a 5. He’s got some skills but I don’t think he’s ready for this level yet

      • Darrin Briggs

        Personally I think he is a passenger

      • Andy

        Agree. He’s got potential and doesn’t really drop tackles but he’s not ready for this level.

  • Parker

    Can anyone assure me that there wasn’t a forward pass in the lead up to the AB’s last try?

    • Greg

      check the scoreboard!

      • joy

        Skiting about last minute victories are we? A big difference from “the greatest team of all time”.

    • MCOD

      Looked pretty dubious to me Reid -> perenerererer mile forward

    • RugbyReg

      looked fine by me.

    • Happyman

      I called forward at the time and stand by that I also think Reid did the same thing in the lions and was a couple of metres offside for the restart.

      But I am certainly not a neutral observer.

  • muppet

    Very unexpected statistic: Me swearing at Nigel Owens = 0

  • Who?

    Because most here would know exactly how I generally feel, before I comment anywhere else, I need to say something that makes me very happy.
    Well done Michael Cheika. Well done Nathan Grey. Well done Stephen Larkham. The changes tonight weren’t created out of the efforts of players actually caring, because they always do. They were from better coaching decisions. Good decisions. Well done, coaches. :-)

    • Who?

      Now, I should also thank Sonny Bill Williams. I can’t think of many poorer performances from a singular All Black against us for years. How many times did he mess up and somehow wind up giving us the ball?
      I think that the coaches improved tactically tonight – we were better with tactical kicking (Foley put up some high balls that we actually chased – one massive highlight for my son and me was DHP getting to one (on the bounce, after no one collected it on the full), batting it back over his head to 7A’s, who passed to Sio, who was tackled and had Squeaky over the top to create the ruck. How much of an improvement on kicking and chasing is that?!), and with defence (for the most part defending players where their jersey says they should be).
      But I also think the ABs came out overegged emotionally. They were too pumped – especially SBW. Too much emotion. Then they were 0-5 after no time at all. So they tried harder, looking for the miracle play rather than doing what they normally do – trust their skills and execute the basics. The miracle plays didn’t come off, instead we had Hooper score a try off penalty advantage because they wanted to dominate physically but were too keen to get the drive on. And they drove our scrum so impossibly hard that when the ball came out unexpectedly they had holes in their defence. Then they – especially SBW – kept on throwing poor passes, knocking the ball on, or getting in the way of passes, leading to turnovers, which saw us dominate territory and possession for a good while there.
      So whilst I think we were significantly improved technically/tactically over the last week, I’m also able to concede the ABs were partly to blame for ending up 0-17 down. For a while there, the game actually had a feel of Bledisloe 1 2000 for me. Sadly it had the same sort of ending for me, but I’ll gladly take a close loss with SIGNIFICANT coaching improvements that give me hope for the Wallabies visit to the Sea of Blue in a fortnight. I feel better tonight than I did after we beat Italy and Fiji.

      • idiot savant

        Good point on the kicking Who.

        If the ABs play like that against the Boks they could be vulnerable.

  • adastra32

    From desperately dire to plucky losers. Next stop?

  • voodoo economics

    We outplayed the ABs for 60 minutes of that game. They outplayed us for 20 but unfortunately that’s all they needed. We still have a long way to go to become a contender. A lot of improvement though and that has to be respected.

    What shits me is that we were 2 minutes away from winning. All we had to do was catch the f*^%en ball and hold on. We couldn’t do it. In some ways its worse than loosing by 20 after 54 points were scored against us. Three players under the restart kick against one and that one regathers possession and they make us pay with subprime interest rates added on. Unbelievable. You are never going to beat the ABs if you cant get that sh%t right when it needs to be right.

    • Pearcewreck

      Yep.

    • Pclifto

      Yep. What a time to switch off. Gutting

    • Darrin Briggs

      After we scored with 2 minutes to go I could see the writing on the wall what a time to switch off

  • Greg

    Cheika’s press conference… The headline is “Takes swipe at ref” and I thought … oh no.

    What he actually said was

    “The guy can’t end up on his head any other way”.. ” It was clear to everyone he [Retallick] has picked one of our blokes up
    and put him on his head. Categorically. He has his arm through his leg
    and picked him up.”

    and

    “That stuff does not in any way excuse not finishing that game off, with three minutes to go and a kick-off to us”

    • Who?

      Problem was that it all started on the field with Cheika’s first two sentences in the Channel 10 interview being complaints about calls not going our way… I’m usually hard on refs, but I thought Owens tonight and Barnes last week were pretty jolly good. :-(

      • Darrin Briggs

        The refs were excellent in both games

  • Adrian

    Good write up Shane.

    More or less my thoughts.

    I’m actually glad Genia went so well, and played positively.

    Moore better than expected too, and good call by Cheika to sub him off.

    Looked a completely different defensive strategy, one I’d suggest Cheika wrote himself on a cigarette paper, and handed to Grey on Monday.

    Genia’s defence of Grey and Grey’s strategy in a post match interview, reminded me of why we have professional actors for acting, and professional footballers for football.

    Also wish Cheika hadn’t done post match sooky.

    Overall all though, good job by players and coaches and refs

    • idiot savant

      I have rarely seen Cheka be gracious in defeat or victory. He appears to have the traits of a narcissist. He carries a delusion that he is the king, and often appears aggrieved and wounded when things don’t go his way. He feels entitled to coach a side that can concede 54 points in 50 minutes and not be the the subject of any rancour from the people who pay money to watch and support (a lot of which finds its way into his pocket). How dare they criticise me, he thinks. Don’t they know Im the king? And so he feels persecuted with any and all disagreement being unfair and unjust.

      He actually got a real good run from Owens last night but still had to complain ‘about a few calls’. I am so proud of the boys for that wonderful stirring performance but I’m not proud of the way Cheka carries on.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I agree

      • Dud Roodt

        Are you saying that he should have copped death threats on the chin and not said anything?
        That’s fucking outrageous.
        We get it, you hate Cheika, you hate everything he does, but if you think death threats should go uncommented on, you’re off your head.
        Stop HAVING to find a negative and appreciate last nights game for what it was, fucking outstanding.
        If you’re going to criticise Cheika for every single part of the wallaby performance when they’re getting belted, at least have the decency to include him in your congratulations when they put out a performance like last night.
        Or do you believe he had nothing to do with it?

        • idiot savant

          Death threats are heinous and a crime and I would support the police charging anyone who issues them. I would hope Cheka has referred them to the police. I never mentioned death threats (and to accuse me of saying that he should cop them on the chin is outrageous). I apologise for using the word rancour. It was ill considered. I meant criticism.

          I have congratulated Cheka and do so again now, for keeping the players believing, for getting them in great shape on the day, for making defensive system changes, and for tweaking the tactics. He did a great job.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The problem with Cheika is that he is a motivator, and motivation can occasionally work, but it rarely leads to sustained results.

          The Wallabies blew a 17-0 lead and a lead with 2 mins to go because they made rookie schoolboy errors off of restarts, and their scrum was disgraceful. They missed 32 tackles ffs.

          The Wallabies almost won due to the individual brilliance of Genia, Folau and Beale, coupled with solid work from Arnold, TPN, Sio and McMahon, not because the they played well and cohesively as a team or due to a brilliant game plan. It’ll take sustained results from Cheika before we can say the team – or rather, individual players – are putting in good performances because of him rather than despite him.

      • Andy

        Agree. I hate us being reffed by Owens especially against the ABs but I thought he was fairly good last night. Cheika’s response was disappointing but credit to him for the changes to the team and the non-changes like McMahon and Genia. They really turned up for this one

      • Happyman

        Do yourself a favour and youtube the actual full press conference. I will give MC his due he actually answers the question as asked. Even the one about NZ internet speeds. next time you will complain about “just taking it one week at a time”.

        His responses are balanced and even humorous. But I guess that does not fit into the Zeitgeist on MC.

  • Kev Brown

    56 mins kurtley owns the Sbw
    Love it

  • Kev Brown

    2 many points left on the t

  • Nicholas Peacock-Smith

    No one can question the Wallabies commitment and pride in this game. A few things need to be fixed:
    1. Matt Burke needs to have a few sessions with Foley, Hodge & Beale. Goal kicking could have been the difference.
    2. Credit Cheika & Grey for making changes to the defense, would have been nice for them to admit they got it wrong last week.
    3. Arnold & Coleman are our future 4&5 in every test unless injured.
    4. Quade Cooper is not the answer – we need to blood & develop some young 10’s for 2019.
    4. Moore has been great a Wallaby but its time to move him on, TPN to start and develop some young hookers and give them test match experience.

    • Pearcewreck

      Yep, NPS, pretty spot on.

    • Dud Roodt

      100% to everything you said

    • Gipetto

      there isn’t a #10 on the bench even

  • MungBean

    Vastly improved in many facets.

    Still let 35 points in. Defence is still not to scratch.

    First three tries were lucky.

    I’ll be surprised if this translates to a run of form.

  • ozrugbynut

    Would have been great to have had coleman for that match, seemed like the sort of game he would relish. He is a find.

    Second thought was we are still pushing passes and creating opportunities for ab counter attack, like we didnt heed any of the lessons from last week and the 15 years before that.

    Third, for the same reason as my second, is that we are still running the ball when kicking is the better option, particularly when returning it from an ab kick, we just dont play the percentages well. If we adopted more of a jakeball mindset (not 100%, but elements of it) i am convinced it would be a good thing for this group/coach. All out ball in hand attack has gotten us nowhere for a while and we dont have the skill set for it. ‘the austrslian way’ is not a useful framework for us at present until we have the players, skills and confidence.

    • idiot savant

      Interesting thoughts. The main issue with kicking is that you have to able to tackle, which until last night was a structural problem! I too would like to see the integration of a targeted kicking game with good chasers and committed tackling.

      One of the benefits of Cheikas obsession with ball in hand has been to improve our protection of the ball a little bit. Tommy Brady on this site has made the point that some of our Super Rugby sides kick aimlessly and don’t have the patience to hold the ball and build pressure. Partly I think this is because we have got isolated a lot over they years and turned over possession, particularly to the kiwis who are coached from an early age to see every tackle as an opportunity to win the ball back.

      However it would be nice now that we are holding the ball better to be able to play more of a territory game, which means more kicking. Both the ABs and the Boks kick and they still mange to play attractive ball in hand football.

  • first time long time

    I had to sleep on that one. What a cracking match, not the purest with lots of errors but it was a great watch.
    That is the first time I can remember in the last 2 years that our change in tactics both attack and defence specifically targeted the opposition. It was far from perfect but a big improvement. So credit to the coaches for that one.
    They need to show that they keep that up over the RC to win back my vote and start making some better decisions at the selection table.

    Guts and a whole hearted effort till the death was what we have been howling for.

    It’s worrying that our first 3 tries all had big chunks of luck involved but great that we took it when the chance came.
    But we didn’t score a point for the next 50min or so.
    That easy penalty and say a field goal could have been a match winner in that period.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Well I have to eat some humble pie. I thought Beale played very well last night. In fact I don’t understand why he didn’t kick all the time, he’s got 20 m on Foley. Really enjoyed that seat of the pants game and thought the AB’s were lucky to get out of jail on that one. Would love to go into a decider after that

    • Greg

      Cheika must see something in Foley kicking in general play/clearance/line kicks.

      Call him stubborn. Call him brash.But don’t call him stupid…. so what is it about Foley? Beale and Hodge just seem such obvious better candidates!

  • Darrin Briggs

    So close s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s*** s***

  • Nicholas Peacock-Smith

    Anyone who blames Foley for the loss is kidding and heres 3 reasons
    1. he aimed up in attack for a small bloke, for 5-10 or so years we have been playing small blokes at 10 & 12 and asking them to tackle the Barretts, SBW’s, Nonu’s of the game. He gave it a solid crack this test.
    Fact is he is our best number 10 and its clear his combination with Beale & Folau brings out the best in them all.
    3. We haven’t had a consistent gold kicker since Mortlock or Burke. When is Australian rugby going to make goal kicking a coaching priority?

    • jamie

      What?

      One of Foley’s key responsibilities is kicking for goal. That’s the same for everybody who goal kicks. The fact he has, even when Cooper and Hodge and Beale and Giteau have been in the starting XV, is clear evidence he should, as according to himself/Cheika, be Australia’s #1 goal kicker, and should practice and deliver as such. 85% should just about be a given for a test goal kicker.

      Had Beale been kicking last night we would’ve beaten NZ in NZ.

  • idiot savant

    Does anyone know who was replaced who wasn’t supposed to be replaced? Cheka said afterwards someone got the numbers confused. I thought he was referring to not having the right person there to receive the last kick off that the ABs stole. Was Hanigan taken off by mistake?

    • Adrian

      I think he meant to replace Arnold not Simmons with Rodda. Apparently Arnold can’t call lineouts, so no caller on the field.

      You’d think he’d learn!

      • idiot savant

        Ah that makes sense. Cheka was talking about kick offs at the time and as Simmons had been taking them earlier in the game that was probably what he was referring to.

  • Missing Link

    Any news re Hanigan getting picked up.by Retallick and dropped on his head. This was reviewed by the TMO and Owens said “2 players getting up, it’s not clear”. It was pretty clear from what I saw, it was a red card offence

  • Andy

    Even though we lost it was the most encouraging performance I’ve seen in a while. Just purely based on the fight. Hopefully we can see more balanced selections based on defensive and offensive games in the future. This team will never conquer the globe but if they show that sort of application every game they will make for a very good contest no matter who they play. And that’s all we ask for at the moment.

  • McWarren

    I fear that performance was out of anger, to prove the naysayers wrong. I hope that even if it was they wake up this morning and think to themselves, holy fuck we can do this, they are tackleable.

    Well done lads every single last one of them, including coaches. I got excited and was screaming encouragement again, yes even to Hoops and Bernard.

    • Greg

      indeed.

      Can they
      1. string two games together?
      2. Defend even better?
      3. Catch the kick offs
      4. Get some stability back in the scrum
      5. sort exit/line/general play kicking

      Let’s see in Perth. Gee, I hope so.

      How *good* is it to be talking about this rather than turnstile defence??

  • idiot savant

    Yes doesn’t defence make a huge difference. It was the key to the BIL drawing their series against the world champs and it was the key for us last night to nearly knock them off. Congratulations to the coaches for making the changes.

    Did Timani play at 6 or 8 when he came on, did you notice? And in which position would you play him?

    I don’t think theres room for either Hunt or Kerevi in this team. You could dispense with a specialist winger on the bench and put Hunt there, but I think save for rotation or injury, Kerevi will be out for a while.

    • Adrian

      Hi idiot
      I think Timani went to 6, because McMahon looked to still be on

      • idiot savant

        Yeah I was wondering if he moved McMahon to 6 and played Timani at 8 which would be better for the scrum. And if he did that he might have got a look at the side without Hanigan. Probably not enough minutes to make a judgement.

        One thing is for certain, as Cheka said in the press conference, McMahon will continue to start until the Japan contract takes over.

        And I know I’m a broken record but yet again we had a standout performance from a traditional 7 (with 8 on his back) and we matched the ABs. Just like the last time we beat them.

    • Adrian

      Hunt on wing for me,…sort of interchanging with Beale,…much as I don’t support wholesale interchanging.
      I think it was happening for Beale and Foley some of the time.

      • idiot savant

        Yes Beale went to the wing when we didn’t have the ball. So Hunt could move into the 12 channel in that scenario. I thought DHP made some great tackles early on so if you had Hunt on the other wing off set piece thats gonna limit the opportunities on the edges for opponents.

  • Nick

    How good did Izack Rodda look when he came on?!

  • Greg

    The youtube video of the press conference is worth a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti0Ayho5zDA

    Cheika is not a particularity articulate speaker but I thought he handled it well.

    He was a bit surprised when he got the question about broadband speeds! “Is this an ad for a company?”

  • DK

    I’m so torn, on one side it’s great we played well (even though it was a loss). On the other side I’m really pissed off we can play like that. Here was all the talk of not skilled enough, not good enough to take/capitalise on opportunities, not conditioned enough….then that 80min performance, capitalising on our luck and opportunities. Which makes me think Chieka is on even thinner ice. For the last 18mths the inconsistency in the wabs performances has been $hithouse at best. They’ve shown they have the capability (I believe they do anyway) so it has to be the preparation and that is the coaching staffs role. Is it too similar week to week? Too crazy different?
    Please Chieka and co. Find something that works week in week out. All we want is consistency sir.

  • Gipetto

    Foley didn’t lay a finger on Read when he made the winning break. The Wallabies had numbers in defence but Foley was completely bamboozled and the Wallabies lost. Quade reads the opposition attack much better. If Simmons had stayed on, the Wallablies would have secured the ball from that last kick-off by NZ. Folau carries the ball in his right hand all the time and is easily tackled from the right hand side. He cannot fend or offload when tacklers hit him on the right hand side and he is too selfish to take the ball closer to the posts for nervous Bernard’s sake.

  • Greg

    Any news on Mr Retallick’s tip tackle?

  • Get Foley!
    That’s the best the Green and Gold can do
    If Oz rugby is crap its so-called ‘supporters’ are crapper.
    Go stick your heads up a dead bears bum!

  • Who?

    I think it’s key to note that whilst we missed 33 tackles this week and 48+ last week, this week there were fewer ‘never got near him’ moments. Which don’t come out as missed tackles. And a rush defence is more likely to miss tackles than a sliding defence, generally.
    Two places we crucially didn’t make tackles were down to Foley. As mentioned above (by another poster), he misread Read and that set up the final try. But he was also far, far too slow to react to Barrett switching sides on the scrum for Barrett’s first try.
    Also, not sure what he actually set up… He was the least effective of our backs last night.

  • Tommy Brady

    Thank you. Good to see the ANZAC spirit alive and well.

  • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

    Don’t be a dick.

  • Dud Roodt

    Jesus. Did a Kiwi do something to you once upon a time that we should know about?

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