Bledisloe 2 Preview: The Silver Linings

Matt Rowley August 24, 2012 116

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Do you recognise this trophy?

It isn’t pretty, is it?

I don’t think any Wallabies supporter can pretend we go into this match in a position that even has a far-off, partly obscured, view of ‘ideal’. What’s more, to many of the readers and commenters on this site, the how-we-got-here has been a car crash unfurling in slow motion.

But let’s put that to one side for a minute. Let’s just focus on what’s happening tomorrow, and what’s changed this week to accommodate it.

A biggie is no doubt the loss of Captain Bam-Man, David Pocock — the best scavenger in the world and leader by example. In comes rookie Michael Hooper, who was part of an analysis of the three Aussie opensides that we ran during the Super season.

What was clear from that analysis is that Hooper plays a different game to Pocock, offering far more of a running option. Is this a silver lining, that like McCaw in last week’s Test, Hooper could busting the gain line and creating those attacking opportunities? Turnovers certainly weren’t easy to come by against the New Zealand pack last weekend.

The second biggie is the return of Quade. Can he and Barnes provide that extra threat that confuses and stretches the All Blacks defence? On a good day, there’s no doubt — remember what this pair did to France when they were last together.

“One big human” – Nathan Sharpe

Another fascinating dimension Quade brings is the psychological one. A negative one for him from the RWC semi-final no doubt, but don’t forget for the Kiwis as well. The bizarre and ugly overreaction of the New Zealand public against him is an echo of his playing opponent’s psyche. It’s rooted in fear and has so far been comforted by his failure. What happens if that turns around?

Notwithstanding his performance, any level of mental distraction that Cooper can inflict on such a well-oiled machine can only be a bonus for the Wallabies.

On the topic of mind games, recent IRB player of the year nominee Kurtley Beale‘s recent lack of form at international level looks less like a blip, and more of a symptom of something deeper. Tales of boozy incidents not confined to the one dealt with in court are in circulation. With Cooper bringing his attacking X-factor and defensive frailties, solidifying the back three looks a good move at this time.

Assuming his fitness (who’s 100 per cent convinced?) Drew Mitchell’s 58 caps of experience, nose for the try-line and flexibility of position are welcome back. Rob Horne neither embarrassed himself nor set the world alight last weekend. As his cap tally creeps up the teens and he hasn’t been injured for the last five minutes, is there an imminent pay-off?

To the tight five

On balance, and with a bit of faith, I can see why Timani retains his place. With Dennis and Higgers as lineout targets with Sharpey, another technical lock isn’t sorely missed. What is needed is a bone-crushing defender and ball runner to make up for Palu. Big Sita’s got the chassis — has he got the motor? There were a few glimpses last week that the answer could be ‘yes’. No other lock option supplies this potential, except for maybe the elderly Samo in cameos.

But if I could stretch to positives for Timani, I’m not finding it so easy up front. Sure, the Wallabies lose nothing with Squeaky Moore coming in — we could argue in circles forever that it’s a gain. But it’s at prop that the palpitations begin. Not being able to bring Palmer in for Kepu at tighthead is a crying shame. Benny A has spent 40 per cent of his playing time at tighthead this year, but I can’t help wanting to curl into the foetal position when I think about this part of our game. Join me behind the sofa at scrum time on Saturday.

But to end on some ‘happy thoughts’

June internationals error rates

First, much of the dread ahead of tomorrow night’s game is that it was only uncharacteristic All Blacks turnovers that kept the score respectable last weekend, and that won’t happen twice. However, they may be uncharacteristic, but not for the All Blacks this year.

As pointed out in a previous post, New Zealand were only above Scotland in the speed with which they made handling errors (one every 122 seconds). On Saturday they made one every 99 seconds of possession. The question will be whether the Wallabies can keep the pressure on to take advantage, having made one every 89 seconds!

The other was Alain Rolland’s refereeing of the breakdown. Twice he pinged New Zealand for an ‘all fall down’ past the ball, and Romano was found out for ‘doing a Nonu’ (interfering with defenders past the ruck). We can but hope this wasn’t isolated and this team of officials are under the same instruction.

Together with refs having finally cottoned on to loitering players ‘taking the space’ this year, are some the favoured All Black cheats pushing of the boundaries finally being closed? Nigel Owens has the highest percentage of breakdown penalties against the defending team of any international ref this year (69 per cent versus an average of 54).

Am I grasping at straws? Maybe. But no matter what happens, tomorrow will be fascinating. Let’s just pray it’s not for the wrong (Wallabies) reasons.

Stats courtesy of www.ruckingoodstats.com

The details

New Zealand: 15. Israel Dagg, 14. Cory Jane, 13. Ma’a Nonu, 12. Sonny Bill Williams, 11. Hosea Gear, 10. Dan Carter, 9. Aaron Smith, 8. Kieran Read, 7. Richie McCaw (c), 6. Liam Messam, 5. Sam Whitelock, 4. Luke Romano, 3. Owen Franks, 2. Keven Mealamu, 1. Wyatt Crockett.
Res: 16. Andrew Hore, 17. Ben Franks, 18. Brodie Retallick, 19. Victor Vito, 20. Piri Weepu, 21. Aaron Cruden, 22. Ben Smith.

Australia: 15 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 14 Drew Mitchell, 13 Rob Horne, 12 Berrick Barnes, 11 Digby Ioane, 10 Quade Cooper, 9 Will Genia (c), 8 Scott Higginbotham, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Dave Dennis, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Sitaleki Timani, 3 Ben Alexander, 2 Tatafu Polota Nau, 1 Benn Robinson.
Replacements: TBA

Date: Saturday, 25 August
Venue: Eden Park, Auckland
Kick-off: 19.35 (17.35 AEST, 07.35 GMT, 09.35 RSA time)
Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland), Lourens van der Merwe (South Africa)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Discussion »

  • Roly hei hei

    The overaction by the nz public concerning Quade Cooper is mostly due to the fact he is a Kiwi playing for Australia and he is good. Imagine if an indigenous Aussie like KB had moved to NZ when he was young made the All Blacks and then started to niggle with a player respected like John Eales( McCaw is well in respected in NZ maybe not here) The Aussie public I’m sure with the help of the media would be all over him, in a silly way we look at Quade and Robbie too as if the y betrayed us… Gay? Yes, but over there Rugby is everything like AFL in Victoria .

    • Brax

      Do you feel betrayed by the 59 odd thousand Kiwis that immigrated here last year alone? The multitudes that immigrated before that? If not that’s a poor excuse for feeling betrayed by Cooper, he was just a kid following his folks to the bright side. I hope he tears the All Blacks to shreds & breaks Kiwi hearts & Aussie hoodoos this weekend. Then maybe, just maybe an end can be put to this nonsense.

    • Mickeyb

      Don’t dress it up Roly. Kiwis don’t like Quade because they feared at the time he would threaten their hope of securing a world cup.

      Hostile crowds at Eden Park are nothing new but the vitriole and persecution of an individual by some parts of the NZ rugby public was disgraceful and un paralleled in Australian NZ rugby history and relations.

      It smacks of arrogance, poor sportsmanship and utter disrespect on a sporting field. For this reason alone I hope Quade can exorcise those demons conjured up a win!

      • Sledgey

        One Quade Cooper would not, could not, did not stop the ABs at that time!
        Hostile crowds are not limited to NZ stadiums (ie. ANZ stadium vs Dan Carter’s last kick) Such public display is common between our 2 great rugby nations, so to single out the NZ crowd, and dismiss the Aus supporters for the same crime (if you want to call it that) is hypercritical to say the least!
        The answer is to suck it up………..on both sides of the Tasman, so dry your eyes!

        • Mickeyb

          Really Sledgey?

          Kiwis were worried.

          Quade was number 10 when when we beat the ABs just months before RWC which followed the Reds Super Campionship Win against the Crusaders – a large representation of ABs.

          I know all my Kiwi mates were worried!

          Booing Carter kicking a goal and a “Public Enemy #1 campaign” by parts of NZ rugby public fanned by the local media was your national disgrace!

          It’s not about mucho “suck it up” comments it’s called sportsmanship.

          Now remove your emotion and stick to the facts.

        • Sledgey

          @Mickeyb
          I didn’t say that I WASN”T worried about QC playing against the ABs, I said he “would not, could not, did not stop the ABs at that time!” At 20 points to 6, seems I was right. QC had a shocker (much to my surprise). Is that enough fact (minus emotion) for you?

          The Wallabies had just scraped through Seth Efrika 11-9 the week before, despite kicking away an enormous amount of ball possession (much to my bewilderment). The whole time I’m thinking “you won’t be able to do that against the ABs and get to smile about it”

          Interesting that you went back months to single out the good performance from QC in HK, where this whole media hype with the “Public Enemy #1” campaign BS started.
          But, when you do the “silly little niggle things” (as I’ve seen it mentioned on here) to the rugby world’s premier #7, who just happens to be the captain of the #1 rugby team in world…… what was he or anybody else for that matter thinking was going to happen? I mean seriously! Did anyone expect a fanatical rugby country like NZ to roll over and ignore it?

          I put it to you, he (QC) wasn’t thinking the first time, and he was caught up in the joy of the try just scored, fair enough. The knee to the head was an opportunity he couldn’t resist (just plain dumb).

          Was it fair that he copped all the grief that he did? No it wasn’t, not in my mind at least.
          Did he pay for it? Obviously he did.
          Will he do it again? there are people in here that hope he does, and some people never learn I guess!

    • jimmy

      I find the arrogance of the New Zealand Rugby crowds incredible. From a country that has given us some of the greatest cheap shot artists ever to take the field (eg Richard Loe), it is nothing but hypocrisy to target a single opposition player who retaliated to some cheap shots against him.

      This “how dare anyone touch us” attitude that prevails across the ditch is a joke. None of your players are any more worthy of protection than anyone else. And let’s be honest, despite your continued belief that you are the greatest sporting nation in existance, if we combined our football talent and focused on Union, you’d never win a game.

      • Patrick

        I am all for sportsmanship but I love it when Quade gives McCaw the niggle and shits he dishes out so happily, for all the reasons Jimmy gives.

        Did Frank Bunce ever play on-side?

        • Gus

          And in giving that little bit of niggle, Quade was able to put a few of the ABs off their game (even if just a little bit).

          What shits me is that it is left to our number 10 to try to create a bit of niggle to try to put the opposition off their game. That should be the job of one of our forwards so that he can concentrate on directing play.

      • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/bledisloe-2-preview-the-silver-linings/?replytocom=247845#respond Kiwi_rugby_fan

        I thought the little guy was supposed to have the chip on the shoulder. Admit it, you are so jealous of NZ success (100 plus years) and Oz failures you need to find excuses like NZ constantly gets the rub of the green from refs, Richies a cheat, the crowds are mean….lol, listen to yourselves – is this really the Aussie male speaking, because if it is I fear the ‘big Australia’ won’t feature too many home grown rug rats

        • Funk

          Did you miss click? I’m sure this comment should have been for foxsport…or…maybe the roar?

        • WallbiesForEver

          I spent 6 months on a work project down in NZ once and I was shocked at the intensity and CONSISTENTCY with which aussies were “ribbed” in conversation and on talk back while in the car. It seemed as though they were driving themselves insane over something that over here in OZ we were / are completely oblivious too. If felt like they were desperate to engage with us even if it was negative, as long as they were connecting. After a while I started to feel for them because it was pretty obvious they were suffering some sort of national neglect and they just wanted to connect with OZ and Aussies.The funny thing is we have no clue they are rambling on 24/7 365 days a year down there with all their catty (gay) backhanders and dont harbour anywhere as much feelings towards them either way. In fact I dont think we feel anything at all – kiwis are just kiwis. Anyhow, came home – went for a walk next day down to the local cafe on a FINE sat morn and it was right then, when admiring a couple of reallll honeys, you know, properly hot looking girls that I said to myself, “Yep – IM HOME”

        • Trys NOT Kicks

          I have never put much faith in the cheating argument-sure you get away with stuff but so does everyone. However to dismiss the shameful booing of an opposition player when you are hosting (and therefore inviting all players in) is a disgrace.

          Rugby Union is a game I have always been proud to claim as one of the most sportsmanlike games in existence. After the petulant display in New Zealand I am not so sure. But then I console myself with the fact that the players at least show some decency-even if some of there fans don’t.

        • Joe

          Get off your high fucking horse mr ‘Tries Not Kicks’ your snobbery is making me feel violently ill.

          “After the petulant display in New Zealand I am not so sure. But then I console myself with the fact that the players at least show some decency-even if some of there fans don’t.”

          VOMIT. Just because the game of Rugby Union in NZ isn’t confined to private school wankers doesn’t mean we can’t act passionately once every 24 years towards a guy who is by anyones standards a raving ‘boofhead’. Yes the booing got tiresome after a while but what did he expect? parading around saying he enjoyed being public enemy number one? I was at the test in Sydney last weekend and Richie was booed loudly by the crowd- thats the whole idea around home game advantage. It was a year ago buddy, let it go.

      • Sledgey

        @Jimmy,
        “if we combined our football talent and focused on Union, you’d never win a game.”
        Resorting to fantasy is child like, kinda along the lines of “my daddy can beat your daddy”
        But if fantasy is your thing far be it for me to pop your super hero intonations!

        • Cringing

          Fantasy? Don’t think so …. Try ur worst nightmare

      • steve

        Theres good and bad supporters in every country. Im kiwi and I hate any cheap shot artists on any side. Loe included. I personally used to get pissed off at jeff wilson prancing around after he scored like he was the greatest. Reeked of arrogance.
        But you aussies should be taking our attention and treatment of cooper as a compliment. Its because hes a threat.
        Because when hes there you never know what will happen.
        But i also generally think the generation Y trio are
        morons…..should have stuck with Giteau a bit longer

        Go the AB’s!!!

      • stevo

        I reckon their national display of wankery performed by so many tens of thousands over a period of many weeks far outweighs an underarm bowl performed by a single man that happened before most of the booing dicks were born. They really have done themselves a disservice on the international stage.

  • Robson

    I’m consoling myself with the fact that none of us – despite what it looks like – really know what will happen during those 80 minutes of test match rugby tomorrow night.

    Hooper, in my opinion, offers more of an x factor than Cooper because he is pretty much an unknown quantity, but Pocock will be sorely missed all the same. Cooper can delight or depress and there will be some hand wringing about which “D” button he will press. He may press both of them! The other “D” is his defence!! More hand wringing; maybe – maybe not. All the same I am writing him in as the source, inspiration or architect of at least one Wallaby try.

    Overall though we will just have to wait and see what plays out and hope that Lady Luck visits regaled in Green and Gold.

    • muffy

      i know exactly what will happen, I will drink too much and behave like a juvenile with every call that goes against us!

    • Stin

      Thank god we’re back on topic.!!! All above is a ‘conversation’ we’ve had too many times before. Can we all please move on.

      Walls will be better but do will ABs. Deans will be gone next year but we’ll still lose to BILs and I will stay depressed for the next 2/3 years. Sorry to say.

  • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

    My guess is that Pocock will not be missed as much as people think. But we are still in deep trouble with the wallabies ship adrift on an ocean without a map and a hurricane bearing down.

    • Mart

      I agree. I thought he had a quiet game last week. Maye he was well nullified. Either way with Owens as ref he was sure to get pinged more for attempting turnovers so it could be a blessing in disguise.

      • Bobby

        He was quiet last week because he knee was rooted for half of it.

        • Chucka

          Then he should have put the team first and sat on the bench and watched Hooper do his thing!!

    • Hooper for 12

      i think the ABs backrow are on to Pocock technically – he seems to have less ans less game changing influence with every ABs game. Hooper could really be a surprise package for us – would love to see him leading one of thosereverse wedged shaped driving rucks over the ABs chalk. I thought he was sensational in his first cameo ( I think it was against Wales).

      Finally heres hoping Higgers is given a rest so Samo can start (or Dennis off the pine but Samo mist start).

  • Dave

    My guess is that Horne being fit enough to play consistently will not produce any payoff whatsoever. Can anyone explain to me why he keeps getting picked?

    I watched every Waratahs game this season and I am not sure he actually has the skill to pass while running. He also has a terrible habit of trying to slide wider to receive the ball outside his opposite defender so he can outpace him. The problem with that is he’s not actually not actually fast enough to beat his opposite on any regular basis (especially at a test level) and he destroys any space for wingers outside him. This leaves much better ball runners like Ioane with no room to operate.

    I know he’s a very good defender but is that really all you need to play 13 for the Wallabies? People compare him to Pat McCabe but at least McCabe runs good hard lines and finds holes which I haven’t seen Horne do. What was wrong with AAC at 13. He was the best 13 we’ve had since Mortlock got old and probably still the best we have now until someone young and talented is developed.

    • jimmy

      What concerns me about Horne is that it is obvious Deans has “seen something in him”. The same way he must have “seen something in” McCalman, Brown, Mumm, Mafu etc etc.

      That alone should be enough to get him dropped.

      Get Beale to fullback, AAC and 13, Barnes or JOC at 12, Cooper or JOC at 10 (Barnes, Cooper and JOC should be filling 10 & 12 between the 3 of them), Mitchell and Ione on the Wings and ofcourse Genia at 9. It may take a few games to click but that lineup has the ability to go forward and to break defences and only has 2 defensive worries (Cooper and Beale). Surely we can teach them to defend.

      • Patrick

        Agree entirely.

      • ooaahh

        love the thinking but O’connor is a shit defender at 12

        • jimmy

          You are correct, 12 is usually a busy channel but given the lack of success we have had to date I have to believe that among those 3 we can find someone who is adequate enough in defence, and who offers a lot more in attack than we currently possess.

          And don’t get me wrong – I love McCabes attitude, his toughness and his aggression. It’s missing among the rest of the team. He just doesn’t offer too many options in attack that will keep the opposition guessing.

        • bill

          Technically O’Connor is very good as a defender at 12. He’s just small, and frankly with a cattledog like Pocock/Gill over the ball he’s really good because he has the technique to get guys on the ground quickly. They can get a steal then, Hooper is more of a McCaw style openside.

    • Mart

      We need to start a petition.

      Put AAC at 13 and farkin leave him there!!

      That’s consistency Robbie!

      Oh and tell that to the Waratahs too.

    • Gus

      Not sure how many times I have now read a post-match review that has said while Horne didn’t set the world alight, at least he didn’t stuff up.

      Flying under the radar shouldn’t guarantee selection.

      Seriously, what does he provide at 13 that couldn’t be done by AAC, or even Honey Badger or shifting Taps out one? At least they would provide a decent ball running option and some options in attack to force the opposition defense to actually think.

      We shouldn’t be happy to just accept near-enough-is-good-enough with our National team. Especially at a time when the gap between us and the ABs only seems to be getting wider.

    • Chiraag

      Nick Cummins should really be given a go at 13. He had an excellent season at the force, despite being in a very average backline, and played 13 for a lot of it. Certainly provides a lot more in attack than Horne, and can put in a big hit as well.

  • vidiot

    It’s on. Deans has fluked an almost functional team.

    His complete inability to motivate will be overcome by angst of last weekend and the siege mentality Genia and Sharpe will be able to build. Pack will now their careers are on the line.

    Cooper has been out of his clutches for long enough this year to still have clarity on how to make the backline sing. Ioane may even see the ball.

    • murph

      Almost isn’t good enough.

      The best players must be selected from 1 thru 15 in the best combinations.

      There is no room for passengers, experimental selections or combinations.

      Unfortunately that’s what I read from others way too often. People are writing excuses for Deans’s harebrained selections:

      “Good backline, except for concerns over Mitchell & Horne. Hopefully they’ll step up…” etc etc

      Why hope? Why not just select the best players in the first place??

  • skip

    Hooper will get what Gill got against the ‘saders. blocked, shepherded and otherwise removed from the game by a seemingly (to the ref) invisible force which will render his impact on the breakdown null and void. the effect will be no defensive impact from him at the breakdown and mccaw will get away with what he likes when he tries to steal our ball. the latter is pretty much the norm but a man of pocock’s experience can deal with the former.

    this has surely got to be last chance saloon for some. if we loose and i see them joking about with the ABs, all smiles again, i’ll probably pass a turd the size of a small seal or put my foot through the TV

  • Pedro

    Hooper is a meters machine, he was also (along side Gill and Sharpe) amongst the highest tacklers in super rugby. He won’t let the Wallabies down, unless as a recent tah he feels his selection is assured regardless of performance. I really hope Gill is on the bench it would be great to see them on the field at the same time or even in tandem. That is assuming Deans remembers to name a bench and then actually f-ing implements it, no “blooding” players in the final 2mins.

  • Joe Blow

    They may not be the very best, but they are the best we have.
    Almost. The only change I would make would be KB in to 15 and AAC to 13 with Horne slipping out. Moore starting in between Robinson and Alexander re-unites a front row that has been successful at times in the past. They will have that experience on their side
    Looking for Timani to continue his improvement and for Hooper to go loco, inspiring his other back row partners to do the same.
    Quade, this is the big stage you have craved.
    Win, lose or draw I just hope they do not leave anything on the pitch.
    Go the Wallabies!

  • Zach

    Carn boys give me a reason to BELIEVE!

    • D.

      Genia will fire the boys up beyond belief. He should be the Reds captain and the Wallaby captain full stop. He knows how to get the boys fired up and rolling. He’s no bullshit.

      I’ve picked the AB’s to win, but something inside me is telling me different this week. Genia is the key.

      • bill

        I think they’re a chance here as well. I’d be happier if we had Hugh McMeniman available to us, but still a decent outfit.

  • murph

    no chance. as much as I appreciate your diplomacy, Matt, the fact is that half the team simply do not deserve to be there. they are not the best players for the position that Australia can offer.

    how is it that the Reds can belt the Waratahs (4 tries to 1 or 2, was it?), yet the Tahs make up positions 12,13,14 & 15???!

    That is simply unbelievable pro-Waratahs bias

    Same goes for Timani, Robinson and, I believe, Dennis. There is no doubt that they are good players, however they are not the *best* available. it is absolutely inarguable that in any selection decision, Waratahs players get first dibs. if it were truly unbiased lineball decisions, we would have a more even balance of representation. that is not the case.

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/ Matt Rowley

      Murph – you gotta tell me what’s biased Dingo Deans towards the Tahs, I gotta hear that. Please wear the tin foil on your head as you tell me for full effect.

      And so you would put into the Wallabies this weekend to go to EP: Harris, Shipperley and Morahan with what, 2 caps between them? Leaving guys like Mitchell and AAC out with 100, because they’re Tahs?

      Mate, I’d even take Dingo’s selections over yours.

      Keep drinking the rum!

      • Bobby

        Mat no offence but the same could be said to you about the Tin foil hat. I don’t think Murph meant AAC or maybe even Mitchell. But Horne, Barnes and aren’t deserving of those jerseys at the moment. Barnes was woeful last week not once did he run onto a football which kills any backline. He stunts attack not only for the Wallabies but had done so for the Tahs and Reds. Horne is simply not the best candidate I would rate Mitch Inman above him… and no I am not joking. The arguement may be made, would you put a greenhorn into a test like this. Wrong question.. Why are we putting in a player that has never performed in the Test Arena for what 18 games on the hope that 1 out of 20 games he has one that we say wow he played well. Horne has been tried and its time we put him away until he proves his worth in Super rugby which he certainly has not this year.

      • murph

        Shipperly & Morahan have no caps because they don’t get picked. Why don’t they get picked? Because they have zero caps.

        I don’t think Harris should start or be on the bench at the moment.

        What have Drew Mitchell & Rob Horne done to deserve to be chosen ahead of Shipperly, Cummins, Inman, Andrew Smith, Ant F., etc etc?

        The Wallabies are being selected on reputation not form and the results have and will reflect that.

      • BloodRed

        There goes the diplomacy. Pull out the “crazy Queenslanders” line when someone points out the bleeding obvious. Doesn’t matter how many caps someone has, sensible selection demands picking players who are match fit and in form. The true craziness lies with aligning with Deans selections when half the players he has picked were comprehensively outplayed by their opposites at the Reds, Brumbies, Highlanders, sharks, chiefs, crusaders, bulls, stormers and hurricanes.

    • jrsONE

      I can’t believe that the Force are so under represented in this team! How is it that they can thump the Reds 5 tries to 3 and still only have one player make the squad?

      Where’s Ma’afu? Where’s Richard Brown? Where’s Brett Sheehan? What does Dave Harvey have to do to get picked for the Wallabies?!

      • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/ Matt Rowley

        Well done that man

      • Mart

        That’s a good one

      • MrMouse

        Hahahahahaha nice one mate! Zing :D

      • murph

        You might have a point if the game youre on about wasn’t eons ago and the Reds hadn’t had a midfield crisis at the time. The 12 through 15 were playing for the Tahs backline which got shown up by the Reds for what they are.

        I’m not asking that the entire backline is made up of Reds. I’m asking that the entire backline is not made up of Tahs as they a demonstrably shit as a unit and it is unbelievable that each and every one of those players are the *best* in that position.

      • murph

        And I’d have Sheehan ahead of Phipps anyday.

        • Graeme

          I was just about the same thing. I’d gladly take Sheehan ahead of Phipps also.

        • BloodRed

          You forgot to say we had to put up with Ma afu, Brown and mcalman well past their use by dates.

      • bill

        They’ve had some good results the force, just not great rugby, unfortunately.

        serves ‘em right.

        hopefully they get better though. They’ve still scored one the best tries i’ve ever seen.

  • Tim Fin

    If we can start first by not calling any wallabies the “best xxxxxx in the world” (including Pocock) as the truth is we are a developing nation at best. Greg Martin talked up KB as vying for best fullback with Dagg. On what grounds? The Wallabies (and supporters) are deluded if they keep believing this tripe.

    Wallabies supporters want the best team in the world, playing the best rugby. Not a list of individuals, which how it looks today. If a bumch of nobodies can play better than test players in S15 they should be picked. I couldn’t care who plays 10 as long as he’s not flatfooted when he receives the ball and actually tries to outthink the opposition.

    • Lord Farquaad

      Tim Fin you are spot on on everything you said. Pocock is a good fetcher. Yes he’s great at it, one of the best but to be the best number 7 in the world you’v got to offer a bit more than that.. his running game does not exist. Seriously can not recall him busting the ball up once in that test, actually apart from the constant penalties he was conceding i didn’t even notice him.. and it wasn’t because he was in the rucks slowing down their ball because NZ’s ball was pretty quick. To be honest i think Pockock should be a 6, he’s built like a 6 and with Hooper at 7 offering more of a running game that would defiantly balance the back row. I am looking forward to seeing Hooper out there and if he goes well, then why keep him on the bench?? Nobody’s going to miss Dave Dennis.

      Is Greg Martin permanently high, KB is not better than Dagg.

      • bill

        How can you say Pocock doesn’t have a running game Fark!!! I could wish the all blacks and springboks shared your opinion

  • hmmm

    Looking forward to another win over the Wobblies but hopefully there will be some sort of challenge this time.

    • Funk

      Haha “some sort of challange this time”, the wallaby’s attack couldn’t have punched a hole in a wet paper bag and their defence was even worse last week! and yet the abs only had the game beyond doubt with a penalty in the 80th min.
      Hoodoo broken…. Wallabies by 3!
      Bledisloe decider at Suncorp!

    • jimmy

      A challenge you want eh?? Well the last time you received a “challenge” you had to fix the match so that you didn’t lose…AGAIN.

      The last thing you Kiwis actually want is a “challenge”…it would put too much of a dampener on your arrogance.

      • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/bledisloe-2-preview-the-silver-linings/?replytocom=247845#respond Kiwi_rugby_fan

        Coin well spent if it were the case, but deep down you know it’s not Jimmy. I love the hypocrisy of the Ozzies, of course Magnusson wasn’t arrogant, your cricket team never has been, and the crowds have always been receptive.

        To be honest, any team that dominates will have a certain aura of arrogance, but I have never seen an AB team talk themselves up like the Wobblies. Also, do you think the constant jibing from jealous Oz sports fans isn’t inviting the AB supporters to rub it in some. We love to win like any nation, and the disrespect that we receive in other sports from Oz just allows us to enjoy this a bit more. However, some of the dribble (much like Jimmy’s) really invites a response.

      • Goldie

        I’m sure you were joking. Even the most one eyed supporters would have to agree the NZ teams have been pretty good and no matter how much people think they need help to get over the line, I’d wager, given the opportunity, most other teams would gladly have a lot of the NZ team in their team. Besides, if you think the only way NZ wins is due to poor reffing, crucify them for it, not the team playing to the whistle.

  • MyRugby Mate

    Wallabies,

    You’d better win or the TV sleeps with the fishes.
    I mean it.

    Carlo Gambino

    • jimmy

      Ha ha ha – gold mate.

      I’m sure that sentiment is shared among most of us.

      I, for one, am looking forward to 90 minutes of throwing things, swearing and gesturing at my plasma.

      God help the neighbours

    • commonasmud

      Carlo/MRM – I thought you would have shot your TV after last week’s game??

      • MyRugby Mate

        Last week was put horse head in coach bed.
        He no worry, instead get request for sheeps head.

        Was dis ‘tree sum’ he talk about?

  • Hmmm

    Yes Jimmy a challenge, like the Wallabies of 98-03 brutally tough to beat, could back up the talk. The Wobblies now talk themselves up(along with their fans) and fail fail fail, you’re Scotland’s playthings nowadays.

    • jimmy

      We were fine until we imported a coach. I’ll give the Kiwis their due – they don’t import coaches for their national teams.

      • Funk

        ahhhh…..their women’s hockey coach is Aussie, their basketball coach is from Serbia, Wayne Bennett went over as an assistant coach for their RL team………

        • jimmy

          You got me – rephrased “We were fine until we imported a coach. I’ll give the Kiwis their due – they don’t import Rugby Union coaches for their national teams.

  • Tony

    From an NZ perspective, it’s time the Wallabies won. Yes it’s great for a while for your favourite team to win but after a while it just degrades the game, much like the history of league battles between us going the other way.

    And yes we feared Quade because he was unpredictable. We play structured rugby fast. The best antidote is intuitive rugby also played fast – witness the French. You might lose fairly frequently (although the French haven’t against the ABs) but will succeed often enough to make it worthwhile.

    And yes the NZ crowds treatment of Quade was lousy. I’d like to think that having got a 24 year albatross of our collective neck we might be a little more well-mannered.

  • tommy

    I’m already getting angry thinking about McCaw & Kieren Reed being offside tomorrow. They get away with it every fckn time & it makes me so angry!!!

    • Sledgey

      Well your going to have a fun night then!

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/bledisloe-2-preview-the-silver-linings/?replytocom=247845#respond Kiwi_rugby_fan

      Tired stuff really. I forgot the ozzies are never offside. But at least you can take the high road when the inevitable loss comes.

      • http://BigFella Big Fella

        It’s actually ‘Aussies’ and do we have the pleasure of supporting your welfare over here on your West Island?

        • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/bledisloe-2-preview-the-silver-linings/?replytocom=247930#respond kiwi_rugby_fan

          No you don’t. And of course such comments are entirely relevant to the poor performance of the ozzies. Keep throwing stones, it doesn’t change the facts

  • tommy

    Also Matt, could you have a guess at who will be on the bench. Who else is in Auckland apart from the starting 15 & what was the excuse for delaying this?

    • Bobby

      I have heard that Simmons won’t be in the 22. I know a large majority of people on this forum would back that. But as people know I am a supporter of his and think he has great potential to better than what he is now and what he is now is still better than Timani.

      • Red Kev

        I am a big Simmons fan, the problem is that he is Sharpe v 2.0 and can’t play the tight lock role (just as Sharpe can’t) so having them both makes the scrum very weak. When Sharpe retires Simmons will have a mortgage on that lineout lock spot.

      • murph

        Deans’s stupidity knows no bounds…

        Here are the reserves:

        Saia Faingaa, James Slipper, Radike Samo, Liam Gill, Kurtley Beale, Nick Phipps, Anthony Faingaa

        • Pedro

          No offense to the men personally but I doubt anyone fears either of those faingaa’s coming on late in the game.

        • Bobby

          With those reserves I may see the backline I want. AFN or AAC at 13 at some stage and KB at 15. But KB better be a lot bloody better than last week!! Oh a Slipper instead of Benny A.

      • bill

        Simmons is class but he was pretty up and down in his form at the super 15, in the last few games. He’ll be back.

  • Tony Hoff

    Tony.. your comment that the French dont lose freuqently against the All Blacks is not backed up by the stats. The All Black record against the French is played 51 W 38 L 12 D 1 – 74.51% our win percentage against the Wallabies is 68.06% for some reason a lot of people think the French regularly beat the AB’s .. they dont

  • Rusty

    I love the banter between Aussies. The kiwis are trying to get under our skin but we all are saying the same thing. Aussies want to win, we want our team to do better. This team has such a better chance. Hopefully we can keep this team and have a real crack at the saffas.

  • boutbloodytime

    Robbie not naming a bench is fairly indicative of its importance in his mindset…waiting to pick a bench based around the least injured players is equally perplexing…pick fit players who can make a difference for the 2 to 8 minutes Deans wil give them on the park..

    And hopefully the Wallabies make 2 conference calls tonight….one to Kev to get some gee up & mongrel & then one to Link to get an attacking gameplan….then we’re in with a shout…

    C’mon Wallabies!!!

  • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/bledisloe-2-preview-the-silver-linings/?replytocom=247845#respond Kiwi_rugby_fan

    WallbiesForEver August 24, 2012 at 9:01 pm –

    I spent 6 months on a work project down in NZ once and I was shocked at the intensity and CONSISTENTCY with which aussies were “ribbed” in conversation and on talk back while in the car. It seemed as though they were driving themselves insane over something that over here in OZ we were / are completely oblivious too. If felt like they were desperate to engage with us even if it was negative, as long as they were connecting. After a while I started to feel for them because it was pretty obvious they were suffering some sort of national neglect and they just wanted to connect with OZ and Aussies.The funny thing is we have no clue they are rambling on 24/7 365 days a year down there with all their catty (gay) backhanders and dont harbour anywhere as much feelings towards them either way. In fact I dont think we feel anything at all – kiwis are just kiwis. Anyhow, came home – went for a walk next day down to the local cafe on a FINE sat morn and it was right then, when admiring a couple of reallll honeys, you know, properly hot looking girls that I said to myself, “Yep – IM HOME”

    I can tell that you and many others on this site ‘oblivious’ to NZ rugby, so much so you posted it.

    • Mighty Moth

      I think he was referring to the NZ rugby supporters. I copped a good taste of it watching the Wallabies Vs Ireland at Eden Park. NZers dressed up as Ireland fans being twats, pushing Aussie supporters and giving them a spray. The real Irish people were fantastic and good sports. Won’t be going on holiday to that shithole any time too soon.

      • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/bledisloe-2-preview-the-silver-linings/?replytocom=247930#respond kiwi_rugby_fan

        Yawn, no different to some of my experiences in Sydney pubs watching games over the 7yr I lived there. However, I can separate the boofheads from the rest and actually still like Oz.

        I can only deduce the resentment from many Oz rugby supporters is the fact they can’t understand how their arses keep getting handed to them by a small nation with less than 25% of their population.

        • Mighty Moth

          Geez, Sorry mate, you must have gone to some pretty rough pubs in Sydney. I’m sure most Aussies would have told those sort of people to pull there heads in. With regards to the second part of your statement, I refer you to the gentleman you quoted earlier.

        • stevo

          Bollocks. We know youre better than us at rugby and may well always be. Sure, we’d like to be number one, but we take solace in being very good at a range of sports. On the flip side, there is no doubt whatsoever that the anti Australian attitude in NZ has grown hugely over the last 20+ years. Arguably its proportional to the numbers of NZers fleeing your shores to come here, being welcomed here in fact and accepted into society. Go over to the Shakeys and its a different thing. I know this personally as I have family there and have visited regularly for decades.

    • Joe

      Getting quite sick of this. Why does it matter who people in NZ were supporting.. Ireland were the underdog and will always be crowd favorites the fact that Australia couldn’t beat them had nothing to do with the NZ crowd. Ireland completely deserved to win. I highly doubt you were even there Mighty Moth because i think i could count on one hand how many Australians actually bothered to make the short trip over to support their team. I guess its easy to blame your teams failure on the crowd but its looking like a pretty sad excuse to whinge about a year later. Bored of this subject, i pray Quade Cooper plays a decent game so we can forget this rubbish!

      • Mighty Moth

        Oh I was there buddy! Ask any other Aussie who was there and they might tell you a similar story. It’s true, it doesn’t matter who you support, I wouldn’t have cared either apart from the abuse that I and other people copped for no reason. Ireland played really well, I don’t think I said anything about blaming them or the Wallabies or any such things that you are accusing me of “whinging” about. I thought the NZ rugby public were disgraceful and it was all captured on the world stage. Really soured what should and could have been a good trip. As such, I labelled the place a shithole. I hope Quade plays well too.

      • stevo

        @Joe – you kiwis are just going to have to cop it. You might think you did nothing wrong, but the rest of the world disagrees. You lot treated AU very poorly throughout the world cup. Full Stop. BTW, I’m Irish and I was there.

        • cheese

          the ‘rest of the world’ I recall were very happy with their experience here. Unfortunately you lot seem to have a persecution complex.

        • Bobby

          Cheese, that wasn’t the case until after the semi final win against Australia. A large majority of people in Auckland were pretty much hostile to everyone. When people talked up the Welsh, Africans, Irish and Oz they verbally smashed them until the opposing person just shrugged and said its just a game mate. No one can argue the treatment of one playe (Cooper) was discgraceful and to hear cheering and laughing when he injured himself at Eden Park I and about 20 other blokes with me wanted to belt them into oblivion. Hopefully with a WC win Kiwis can relax a little bit and actually enjoy the game instead of trying spit on anyone and anything that is a threat to ‘their’ game and rugby stars. BTW the whole Richie/Quade thing started when Richie was on the ground after a good cleanout by Quade and he cheaply struck out and kicked Quade in the side of the knee. (could have been dangerous) He deserved whaty he sewed pity Kiwis can’t see that.

      • Martin E

        I reckon quite a few were there but not wearing their colours. They do own other clothes you know, and are likely to wear them when they know there will be a nasty, abusive crowd of utter wankers.

        • peterL

          The kiwis did do the wrong thing and thats left a bitter taste in many australian mouths, but theyre mostly a good bunch and mostly they admit they stuffed up so lets move on and give them another chance.

      • Brax

        You must have a lot of fingers on that hand buddy!

        I was there & had a great time. I’d say 90% of Kiwis I met were fantastic & 10% were behaving like twats, most of those were drunk. Sounds like a usual weekend here in Aus!

        Kiwis, we don’t all tar you with the same brush!

    • Galumay

      I hav lived in NZ and played club rugby there, currently in the South Island on holiday, it’s just that kiwis have a huge insecurity complex about Aussies and suffer little brother syndrome. Shit they still whinge about the underarm thing – something that happened before most of them were born!

      The only thing they have over us is the rugby, hence the passion , i don’t begrudge them that, because at the end of the day they are still kiwis – and we are not!

    • Cringing

      I wasn’t referring to nz rugby but to nz fees generally

  • stinger

    What happened to talking about rugby on this site???

  • Jkb

    Wallabies are paying $10, is anyone having a bet?

    • murph

      You’re farking kidding

  • Bludge

    This site should change its name to australians anonymous. Hilarious. The rugby fans must chuckle at the deeply unhappy and bitter men here. About 3% rugby fans, 97% bitter keyboard warriors. I tuned in to read the flagellations with the irish-bashing article last year, nice to drop by occasionally to see nothings changed. Keep crying gents!

    Luck to both teams

  • Richo

    Be nice to see the breakdown reffed the way it should be, given the demise of rucking. The reasoning was that the ref would clean it up – yet there’s still far too many blokes (McCaw did it three times, Read twice) laying on the wrong side and not making any attempt to roll away. Clean that up, and you’ll clean up the hands in the ruck as well.
    On another note, I have noticed that one of the Franks’ boys consistently binds on the arm. If I can see it from 5000km…

  • Pip

    Is it just me, or does it look like Robbie’s given in at the end of this interview? He almost looks frightened at the prospect…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10829264

    • Robson

      Nah he’s just talking up the All Blacks to give them a false sense of confidence.

      Does he believe it ……..mmmmnnnnnnn…yeah.

  • Mickeyb

    Australian rugby is broken. Coach must go!

    • MyRugby Mate

      My vote, I’m over this pointing the finger at the coach bullsh!t. I don’t give a flying f* were he’s from anymore.

      The problem tonight was on the field, we’ve got ‘nothing’. Our players just are just not that good and for me – it showed. They haven’t got the wood on the current AB’s. Blaming the coach is just an easy out.

      No use crying over spilt milk, every dog has its day and the kiwis will have theirs one day… at the moment its ours.

      Don’t friggin’ lose against the Argies for f* sake.
      Let’s hope this next period of rugby the team gets to work together and play some footy, I for one think it can happen.

      Smash the Bok and get some confidence against the Argies.

  • murph

    First time in 50 years that the ABs have kept the Wallabies scoreless.

    Another first for Deans.

    Well done, Robbie. You’re a ground-breaking coach.

  • cole

    the big round dounut..0… zero..zilch..nudda..nothing…damn you QC..did ditto all game..what the hell is this mug been selected for..surely the selecters can do better..can they or could they select anyone else..god damn…things need to change real fast before the 3rd BLEDISLOE or else look out before another record statistic goes down in AB history..geeze i hope not…come on aussie at least get a 3pointer to show us all that you can get points on the board..pleeeaseee….take the f…kin penalty kick next time..the games gone blow playing for respectability..get rid of the dougnut boys..1st time in 50 yrs..sheight..

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