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ODI World Cup 2019

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Jim Lenehan (48)
Well that was sh*t news to wake up to. Also seems there were some bits of terminal bad luck in the field that cost us (Lovely Trenty duffing a boundary catch he's taken a dozen times before without fail, and Guptil firing a ICBM that ricochet off the bat for a boundary).

I don't want this to sound like sour grapes but I'd have thought wickets lost would be a more appropriate tie-breaker than boundaries struck.

I agree. Though the ICC seemingly hates bowlers, unfortunately. Wouldn't surprise me if their complete list of tie-breakers were:
  • Most boundaries
  • Most sixes
  • Most fours
  • Most between-wicket-runs >2
  • Most between-wicket-runs >1
  • Top individual score
  • Cumulative top n individual scores
  • Best Super Rugby
  • NRR
  • Flip a coin
  • Guess the number I'm thinking of
  • Idk most wickets taken or something
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
I don't want this to sound like sour grapes but I'd have thought wickets lost would be a more appropriate tie-breaker than boundaries struck.
England were extraordinarily lucky, just about every single decision went and 50/50 opportunity went there way. I’m not surprised they ‘won’ based on some bullshit metric.

The stupidest thing about winning based on boundaries is that you don’t necessarily play the game in a manner that seeks to maximise the number of boundaries hit. So you’re basing the win off something teams weren’t actively trying to do. Pathetic way to decide a tournament and seems like a brainless solution they came up with because they wanted to go to lunch early “oh this will never happen we’ll just say boundaries can decide it.”
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
I really see no good reason why you wouldn't just keep doing extra overs till you had a clear winner. It's not like they are too tired to carry on playing as in Soccer and Rugby. And it would never get past 2-3 overs tops.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
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Can’t say it better than this.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
It's hard to come up a with a countback system that doesn't suck. They are all so arbitrary that it is a poor way to split two teams.

The obvious situation was to play another super over but then that's probably over the top for a regular match that isn't a World Cup Final.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
Also, I think the English are deserving winners. Have played exceptional 1 day cricket for quite a while now and through this tournament.

Can you take this rational objectiveness elsewhere?

Seriously though, England's ODI turnaround is the blueprint for any sporting team on how to change their fortunes through careful planning and tactics. Wallabies take note.

It's hard to come up a with a countback system that doesn't suck. They are all so arbitrary that it is a poor way to split two teams.

The obvious situation was to play another super over but then that's probably over the top for a regular match that isn't a World Cup Final.

Do you even have a super over in an ODI that's not in a WC match? Wouldn't it just be a tie? I thought super overs were just a t20 thing.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Do you even have a super over in an ODI that's not in a WC match? Wouldn't it just be a tie? I thought super overs were just a t20 thing.


Yeah sorry, it is just normally a T20 thing for a regular game.

They were brought in for knockout ODIs from the 2011 World Cup but have never been used until now. In 2011 it potentially applied to every knockout game and in 2015 only to the final (earlier knockout games would have gone with the higher placed group stage team going through).
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
It's hard to come up a with a countback system that doesn't suck. They are all so arbitrary that it is a poor way to split two teams.

The obvious situation was to play another super over but then that's probably over the top for a regular match that isn't a World Cup Final.
Was it boundaries struck in the match or the tournament? At the very least you'd expect the metric that they rely on to be derived from the last game and not the whole tournament.
 

Dan54

Tim Horan (67)
While a bit gutted that the team got so close but ended up without the cup, and thinking the most boundaries not really a great way to decide, I do tend to think you then can go back to who won in round robin game, so England would still win it.
As I said much as it hurts, we got into finals on a system that some don't like, so they the rules we had to play with, and I will just say Black Caps went further than I thought they would and I personally pretty proud of them as a team!
Can I add pretty classy by both captains at press conf after game!
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
That Ben Stokes deflection - luckiest play in cricket history?

I think I've seen that happen once, maybe twice, in my entire cricket watching/playing history. For it to happen at that exact moment, in the way that it did, completely by accident, it's just dumb, dumb, dumb luck. Nobody could have done anything to prevent it.

I was trying to think of a rugby equivalent, but couldn't quite nail it. It's a bit easier in other sports - like shanking your approach shot on 18 at Augusta, but the ball ricochets off a tree and rolls up to 6ft from the flag. And then you force a play-off which you then tie, but instead of playing a second hole you are awarded the title because you had the longest average driving distance on par 5s on the back 9.
 

Derpus

George Gregan (70)
I was trying to think of a rugby equivalent, but couldn't quite nail it. It's a bit easier in other sports - like shanking your approach shot on 18 at Augusta, but the ball ricochets off a tree and rolls up to 6ft from the flag. And then you force a play-off which you then tie, but instead of playing a second hole you are awarded the title because you had the longest average driving distance on par 5s on the back 9.
What is this nonsense of which you speak?
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
While a bit gutted that the team got so close but ended up without the cup, and thinking the most boundaries not really a great way to decide, I do tend to think you then can go back to who won in round robin game, so England would still win it.
As I said much as it hurts, we got into finals on a system that some don't like, so they the rules we had to play with, and I will just say Black Caps went further than I thought they would and I personally pretty proud of them as a team!
Can I add pretty classy by both captains at press conf after game!
In many ways it was bad for England too. Spent the last four years pouring all their resources into it and becoming the best side in ODIs by a long way. Look like they’re going to miss a place in the finals but strongly beat the top ranked team in the group stages to qualify. Beat their old foe in the semis strongly. Then get awarded the cup in controversial circumstances. You can’t take away their performances in the last four years but this WC will always have an asterisk next to it.
 
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