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Ken Catchpole (46)
RR go back a couple of years further and the Reds were talking up Jake McIntyre as the next big thing at No 10. I'd really hate to be a prospective No 10 at the Reds based on the way Stewart and McIntyre were both discarded. After all the hype piled onto Lucas last year and in the U20s (where incidentally, he mostly played 15), we now have this call after one game starting at 10 for Lucas to be replaced by Hegarty or the next big thing, Gordon. I suspect Thorn will present a deaf ear to those calls.

ummm... I don't recall anyone talking up Jake McIntyre at all. I recall him being talked about as "serviceable", "ok", "i wish we had a better 10", etc
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I remember hoping he would succeed, like you always do with a player in the team you support... but it was clear he was thrown in to early, didn’t have the necessary coaching support and his potential wasn’t as high as others so was always going to struggle.

In a different environment, if he had of played club rugby for a couple of years and worked on key aspects of his game he might have been a reasonable fly-half at Super Rugby level, he seems to be going better in France these days.
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
When did the Reds leave for South Africa? Did they go from Canberra or come back here first?

They try and leave as soon as possible to allow time to get over jet lag, they flew out Sunday, I imagine it was from Sydney, more flights and saves time.
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
Lions, like most of SA teams, have been pillaged and not looking strong in terms of known names. Of course the playing numbers in SA are so huge the right coaching package could continue to bring up players and maintain standards. Hard to tell.

New HC, Ivan van Rooyan, was placed in October. He is a long term Lions coach starting in age groups, the fitness and conditioning, and assistant recently to de Bruin.

They looked flat in Argentina to me, in spite van Rooyan's background in conditioning. Coming back to the hi Veldt they should not have the usual altitude fitness advantage given that Reds are hopefully nearly there.

They are relying mostly on youngsters from Currie Cup and old heads returning from Europe. And of course Jantjies. Starting front row looks good, second row to be proven and a lighter than usual for South Africa back row.

The SA conference tipping has mostly been 1. Jaguares, 2. Stormers, 3. Sharks, 4. Lions, 5. Bulls in trouble.

If the Reds are targeting a win in the first three games this could be it.
 

Strauss

Frank Row (1)
What am I missing that I thought Lucas had a more than adequate game, especially given it was his first hit out at flyhalf? New backline combinations, stinking hot night.

The knock on him not having a long kicking game is fair enough. But I think there's more than enough there to suggest he'll be a quality long term 10.

On another note, Harry Wilson is a god.
 

redveincheese

Billy Sheehan (19)
Why isnt anyone talking about the terrible tactics/strategy and defensive effort in the second half against the Brumbies on Friday night. The reds up by ten at half time had a opportunity to steal a win against the odds and start the season in which everyone has written them off for the first 3 games with an amazing morale boosting win. But only managed to completely lose the plot in defense to get smashed in the second 40. What happened to Thorns amazing ability to coach a defensive style of play which he has been renowned for? Taking nothing away from the Brumbies efforts who deserved the win but jezz that second half was Grahame like in its execution. If we can't take advantage of situations like that and make the most of our opportunities then we are going nowhere for yet another season.
 
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Bobby Sands

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Why isnt anyone talking about the terrible tactics/strategy and defensive effort in the second half against the Brumbies on Friday night. The reds up by ten at half time had a opportunity to steal a win against the odds and start the season in which everyone has written them off for the first 3 games with an amazing morale boosting win. But only managed to completely lose the plot in defense to get smashed in the second 40. What happened to Thorns amazing ability to coach a defensive style of play which he has been renowned for? Taking nothing away from the Brumbies efforts who deserved the win but jezz that second half was Grahame like in its execution. If we can't take advantage of situations like that and make the most of our opportunities then we are going nowhere for yet another season.

Chill out David Pocock..

The young lads ran out of steam in 40 degree heat.

It’s annoying, but not exactly Brads fault.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
What am I missing that I thought Lucas had a more than adequate game, especially given it was his first hit out at flyhalf? New backline combinations, stinking hot night.

The knock on him not having a long kicking game is fair enough. But I think there's more than enough there to suggest he'll be a quality long term 10.

On another note, Harry Wilson is a god.

Actually it wasn’t his first hit out at flyhalf
 

The Nomad

Bob Davidson (42)
Why isnt anyone talking about the terrible tactics/strategy and defensive effort in the second half against the Brumbies on Friday night. The reds up by ten at half time had a opportunity to steal a win against the odds and start the season in which everyone has written them off for the first 3 games with an amazing morale boosting win. But only managed to completely lose the plot in defense to get smashed in the second 40. What happened to Thorns amazing ability to coach a defensive style of play which he has been renowned for? Taking nothing away from the Brumbies efforts who deserved the win but jezz that second half was Grahame like in its execution. If we can't take advantage of situations like that and make the most of our opportunities then we are going nowhere for yet another season.
Agree that the second half was frustrating, particularly the 10 minutes straight after half time . In front by 10 points and in a position to mount genuine pressure , but played like we were chasing points.

Not sure though that the pushed passes and sloppy turnovers were the direction or fault of the coach . Maybe more the exuberance of youth .

They need to learn when to pull the trigger on all out attack and when to grind a team into submission with sustained pressure. The second half against the Brumbies was a time that hopefully they learn from. They fed off our turnovers, would have liked it to be the other way round .
 
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Bobby Sands

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I know this seems like a basic observation, but I think we lost the game when we subbed the props. The boys handled themselves at the scrum but just couldn’t keep up with the pace, and impact at the ruck. The shift from the starting props was sublime. Rodda added plenty.

Obviously pushed passes and offloads are incredibly frustrating, but you only learn in the saddle. Those passes would come off in lower levels of footy. Only one place to sand off the edges.
 

Zero_Cool

Arch Winning (36)
I know this seems like a basic observation, but I think we lost the game when we subbed the props. The boys handled themselves at the scrum but just couldn’t keep up with the pace, and impact at the ruck. The shift from the starting props was sublime. Rodda added plenty.

Obviously pushed passes and offloads are incredibly frustrating, but you only learn in the saddle. Those passes would come off in lower levels of footy. Only one place to sand off the edges.

I agree, I think it really hurt us losing Ruan and Sef Fa'agase before. Not to mention James Slipper, Kirwan Sanday, and Sam Talakai; if we had any two of those we'd have been much stronger in the scrum. But I see the value in developing Feao Fotuaika and Dane Zander they looked solid in the scrum and look like they could be dominant players.
 

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Tim Horan (67)
I agree, I think it really hurt us losing Ruan and Sef Fa'agase before. Not to mention James Slipper, Kirwan Sanday, and Sam Talakai; if we had any two of those we'd have been much stronger in the scrum. But I see the value in developing Feao Fotuaika and Dane Zander they looked solid in the scrum and look like they could be dominant players.

Got to stand by Zander and Fotuaika. They are standing by us. Hope they make the most of their opportunity.
 

PhilClinton

Geoff Shaw (53)
I agree, I think it really hurt us losing Ruan and Sef Fa'agase before. Not to mention James Slipper, Kirwan Sanday, and Sam Talakai; if we had any two of those we'd have been much stronger in the scrum. But I see the value in developing Feao Fotuaika and Dane Zander they looked solid in the scrum and look like they could be dominant players.


All those blokes are serviceable but aside from Slipper, who is Wallaby standard, I don't think you would see much more output from them than the guys currently in the squad, just give them another week or two.

Also if the Reds wanted a few of them back I think they could have made a play - Sanday is Brisbane based without a contract at the moment and I believe Fa'agase and Talakai are playing second tier Japanese rugby. All very approachable.
 

Zero_Cool

Arch Winning (36)
They are clearly trying to build a team for the next 2-5 years developing young talent and promoting from within.

I think those guys would make a massive contribution and help us win now, but I do see the value of playing the young guys (at least Zander), would be excellent when Hoopert is back.
 

redstragic

Alan Cameron (40)
Anyone know where you can get gluten free food at Suncorp? Ever tried it and is it much worse than the normal stuff they serve?
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
he played schools as flyhalf.
he played club as flyhalf
he played NRC as flyhalf
he played for QLD as flyhalf (super rugby and trials).

He's played plenty of flyhalf


Reg, not sure what to make of this comment, clearly the comment was about his fly-half experience in Super Rugby.
 
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