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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I'm not making this up: at this very moment The Parrot is calling the whole coronavirus pandemic a hoax and is putting the boot into the various Australian governments' responses. Simply bloody appalling.

Google Alan Jones Covid hoax & you'll see it's not an isolated case, he's been banging on along those lines since mid-March.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
His age and recent health problems put him right in the demographic that could catch Wuhan Flu easily and die from it.


His wealth basically rules all of that out.

He is advocating for all other Australians to be able to re-open their business, go to the footy, watch Opera, stand on the sidelines of the Under 7s rugby in the pouring rain as your grandson plays his first game, eat at restaurants, take the caravan to Cairns for the southern winter - I could go on but you get the drift.


Yes, yes - very dramatic.

It is a shame that a lot of people in his target audience think he gives a flying fuck about anyone but himself and his reputation. Well and his money...

"You should all stand up for your freedom to make me an entitled, rich bigot!"

Classic.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
I found this pretty disheartening, it highlights where the protection should have been focussed
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And it is replicated in Sweden where "75% of deaths are care home scenario (they have very large homes too) - lockdown won't help there, and they admitted they messed up on it.

Remaining 25% are disproportionately Somali ethnic - serious vitamin D issue."
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
I found this pretty disheartening, it highlights where the protection should have been focused


A very difficult job to try and isolate aged care workers, a relatively low income sector so that you can then protect the vulnerable people they work with.

They're also a group of workers with almost no PPE training who are then required to use it multiple times a day, each time creating a risk of infection if they get it wrong (and that's if they have adequate PPE gear which a lot of the time they haven't).

I'm not saying you're wrong that a huge amount more attention shouldn't have been put towards protecting aged care residents but doing so in countries where there are significant outbreaks is nigh on impossible.

The two aged care facilities in Sydney that have had lots of deaths show how hard it is to protect those people even when there hasn't been a major outbreak across the population.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
A very difficult job to try and isolate aged care workers, a relatively low income sector so that you can then protect the vulnerable people they work with.

They're also a group of workers with almost no PPE training who are then required to use it multiple times a day, each time creating a risk of infection if they get it wrong (and that's if they have adequate PPE gear which a lot of the time they haven't).

I'm not saying you're wrong that a huge amount more attention shouldn't have been put towards protecting aged care residents but doing so in countries where there are significant outbreaks is nigh on impossible.

The two aged care facilities in Sydney that have had lots of deaths show how hard it is to protect those people even when there hasn't been a major outbreak across the population.


Where my step mother was last year had lock down as standard, it was like a prison with sign in and double doors, it could have been built on
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Where my step mother was last year had lock down as standard, it was like a prison with sign in and double doors, it could have been built on


Yeah, sure but then the workers there are catching public transport, going shopping and presumably if you're arguing that no lockdowns should be in place, going to the pub etc. on the weekend.

If you are looking to protect all the people in the aged care facilities then you also need to protect every person that ever enters that facility. That's where the difficulty lies.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
Yeah, sure but then the workers there are catching public transport, going shopping and presumably if you're arguing that no lockdowns should be in place, going to the pub etc. on the weekend.

If you are looking to protect all the people in the aged care facilities then you also need to protect every person that ever enters that facility. That's where the difficulty lies.


And lockdowns haven't been great protection for them either

I listened to one of the doctors in the US advisory, he said you do it by layering swiss cheese, not one thing is the answer (like temperature checks), you just keep adding imperfect layers until all the holes are covered.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
BH, right on the money.

Saw a BBC news item about one aged care facility in England where the manager, on her own initiative before any government directions were given, locked down the facility with volunteer staff living on site in caravans and tents to effectively have no-one coming and going. Some had been on site for 8 - 12 weeks at time of filming, but not one case of the virus had occurred at the facility.

Interestingly, also, in the past week, Sweden has had the highest infection rate per capita in the world. Didn't get any info on breakdown of where the infections were occurring, but FP mentions that a lot would have been in nursing home type facilities.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
From the tweeter

"9 cases of CV19 in Aust in last 24 hours. 4 in WA. NONE hospitalised. 31 in Hospital, 4 in ICU. "
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
BH, right on the money.

Saw a BBC news item about one aged care facility in England where the manager, on her own initiative before any government directions were given, locked down the facility with volunteer staff living on site in caravans and tents to effectively have no-one coming and going. Some had been on site for 8 - 12 weeks at time of filming, but not one case of the virus had occurred at the facility.

Interestingly, also, in the past week, Sweden has had the highest infection rate per capita in the world. Didn't get any info on breakdown of where the infections were occurring, but FP mentions that a lot would have been in nursing home type facilities.

I still wonder why this is even a good measure, if so many aren't even getting symptoms, shouldn't we be using hospitalisations & ICU beds in use?
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
Wife works for an aged care company - not on the coalface thank fuck. When one of their facilities reported a case at the start of all this, it took time to ramp up the PPE thing.

It slowed the care tremendously as each worker had to stop, strip, clean, and use new PPE for the next patient. They were running through over 800 sets of PPE per day.

Then you look at the one in Penrith. Yeesh.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Wife works for an aged care company - not on the coalface thank fuck. When one of their facilities reported a case at the start of all this, it took time to ramp up the PPE thing.

It slowed the care tremendously as each worker had to stop, strip, clean, and use new PPE for the next patient. They were running through over 800 sets of PPE per day.

Then you look at the one in Penrith. Yeesh.


And these are generally people with little or no training in the use of that grade of PPE because it isn't a requirement of their job.

Each changeover presents an opportunity to make a mistake and infect someone or yourself.

You then have issues with many of the aged care facilities having dementia patients etc. who get freaked out by someone coming in dressed like an alien and try and rip the PPE gear off.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Waverley College and Moriah College in Sydney both closed today after a student at each tested positive for COVID-19.

Waverley College at least went back to face to face classes for all students last week.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Another CDC stat from the US

Deaths YTD

2019 705,585
2020 702,209


Stated in the information is that there is a lag before the information becomes complete. I am not sure where you have taken those exact figures from and what date they are meant to run up to but from the CDC website which is quoted on various other tweets etc such as: twitter dot com/Vic_Issitudes/status/1253721304789848067/photo/1

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If you look at that period now from that source, the 2019 deaths after week 15 are 865,266.

The 2020 deaths after week 15 are 896,729.

If we go to the last week of complete data (week 18), the figures are now 2019 1,027,360 and for 2020 1,085,534 so the death gap has widened by almost another 20,000 people in 3 weeks.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
It depends what CDC file you use. Some of the CDC figures only include deaths which have been coded (excluding uncoded deaths). For instance, here the CDC lists COVID deaths as ~73k for end of 22 May when we have reports of 90k+ from other sources.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Regardless, we won't know the full effects of COVID on mortality until we get annualised figures. Without wanting to trivialise the lives of those in nursing homes, it is not improbable that with so many nursing home deaths the annualised mortality rate is not that much higher since the effect of COVID may only have been to bring elderly deaths forward a few months.

Suicide deaths will also be a figure to watch given current lifeline reports.
 
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