Where to for Super Rugby?

[Dan54]

If anyone still backs the theory that SRNZ is god’s gift to rugby then watch the CRU v CHI game just winding up. More errors than my kids science exam and appalling reffing. While I’m at it, I have no problem with chics covering rugby in the media, in fact I like it. Actually being the commentator though, nah, doesn’t work.

Really? You got a problem with women commentating? You poor bugger, I almost feel sorry for you!

 

[Wilson]

There's no reason why a woman cannot have the same level of insight into what's happening on field during the game as her male counterparts. I thought the commentator for the Chiefs/Crusaders game was passable. Certainly no worse than the others. I was actually watching the Shute Shield game today and thinking how I'd like them to utilise Lou Ransom more from the sideline.

100%, the idea that a whole gender can't or shouldn't be commentating is idiotic, and it's this sort of thinking that sees us saddled with ex-players like Phil Kearns as commentators over people who have an actual talent for broadcasting and can promote the game.

 

[KOB1987]

There's no reason why a woman cannot have the same level of insight into what's happening on field during the game as her male counterparts. I thought the commentator for the Chiefs/Crusaders game was passable. Certainly no worse than the others. I was actually watching the Shute Shield game today and thinking how I'd like them to utilise Lou Ransom more from the sideline.

I like the role you are talking about for Lou. I really like her and i’m not suggesting a woman can’t add as much if more more insight as the blokes to the commentary. What I was saying was having a female as the actual commentator during game play didn’t work for me. It might for others, didn’t for me though.

 

[Wilson]

I like the role you are talking about for Lou. I really like her and i’m not suggesting a woman can’t add as much if more more insight as the blokes to the commentary. What I was saying was having a female as the actual commentator during game play didn’t work for me. It might for others, didn’t for me though.

That is an incredibly sexist position to take.

 

[KOB1987]

Oh for fucks sake. If you lot are going to pull the sexist tag on me for saying it didn’t work for me then I’m out of here.

Later.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I like the role you are talking about for Lou. I really like her and i’m not suggesting a woman can’t add as much if more more insight as the blokes to the commentary. What I was saying was having a female as the actual commentator during game play didn’t work for me. It might for others, didn’t for me though.

I'm talking about using her as third commentator from the sideline. Not just reporting in the crowd or the weather.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Oh for fucks sake. If you lot are going to pull the sexist tag on me for saying it didn’t work for me then I’m out of here.

Later.

I'm not calling you sexist. I just want to know why you think she added little to the game or didn't work?

 

[Wilson]

Oh for fucks sake. If you lot are going to pull the sexist tag on me for saying it didn’t work for me then I’m out of here.

Later.

The issue is not that it didn't work for you, it's that you wrote off a whole gender as commentators because the performance of one woman didn't work for you. How is that anything but sexist?

 

[Adam84]

That is the NZ write up you attached, it also clearly says there is a DESIRE to have a Pasifika team in it! It's no good attaching articles if they just prove you wrong. I cannot see one thing in there that could possibly upset anyone including working with Aus to get EOI from their existing Super clubs and other interested parties (see Force).

Excuse me, how did I prove myself wrong?

You asked the question: "when did they say it was a priority for 2012"

And I provided the quote from NZRU CEO: "As well, there is a huge desire to have a Pasifika team involved which we think will be massive for the competition, popular with fans and is a priority for us".

 

[Dan54]

Excuse me, how did I prove myself wrong?

You asked the question: "when did they say it was a priority for 2012"

And I provided the quote from NZRU CEO: "As well, there is a huge desire to have a Pasifika team involved which we think will be massive for the competition, popular with fans and is a priority for us".

Naa fair enough I was being a smart arse , you said that Robinson said it a priotity in 2021 ( I got my numbers backwards) I was just correcting that.
And I was asking where you got this from
Well a clear example is New Zealand wanting Australia to regress by telling them they have to cut teams if they want to play in nzru’s comp in 2021.
Tell me where it says that?

No don't bother I know what I have heard and read and I know I have never heard a NZR person say Aussie must cut teams, we will just agree you got more sources than me.

 

[Highlander35]

FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMALE

That is all

 

[Rugbynutter39]

I know what your point is RN, for it to work we need NZR to carry Aus on it's back, you know develop players and then make them available to Aus. I find is most interesting that it is NZR holding back rugby in area because they say ABs have to play in NZ and Aus have the same policy and are the injured party. Do you not think Super rugby is seen as development for Wallabies or the Boks etc? Really? Of course NZ and Aus etc make their test teams their priority, it is what pays for most of rugby below test level. There is a reason that Wales, England etc have the same rules, play for someone else even in same comp and you are no longer in test calculation. Somewhere in a perfect world, Rugby unions would not have to use their test tems to earn the required money, but the reason we have so many tests is exactly that reason! It is why Aus want to keep control of their test players too, they need them for the money!

"we need NZR to carry Aus on it's back" yes Dan that is the NZRU mindset which is why they are not the right persons to develop the game in the region and lack the vision of what someone like twiggy had for the region.

It is about understanding what the region needs for level of maturity, population size, growth potential etc and what sort of model would best fit and NZRU would not have a clue what is required here.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Tonight's game convinced me of two things. 1) is that Super Rugby Au should form the basis of a domestic structure moving into the future with perhaps the Drua/Lautui added for extra flavour. And 2) quality coaching is paramount and something we need to seriously invest in. Do that and games like tonight will became far more common place.

 

[KOB1987]

I decided I'm not going to let the reaction to a throw away comment get in the way of my enjoyment of this forum. I'm just going to address the below and then move on from it, it's not really relevant to this thread anyway.

The issue is not that it didn't work for you, it's that you wrote off a whole gender as commentators because the performance of one woman didn't work for you. How is that anything but sexist?

I'm not calling you sexist. I just want to know why you think she added little to the game or didn't work?

It wasn't intended as a sexist comment and I apologise to those who read it as such and were offended. For whatever reason I didn't enjoy the commentary and that was the only thing I could identify that was different. Maybe she was just the wrong person for the job, but I'm neither going to lodge a formal complaint nor stop watching rugby because of it. It is what it is, the overall standard of commentary from both sides of the ditch is sub par at the moment anyway.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

For whatever reason I didn't enjoy the commentary and that was the only thing I could identify that was different.

Rikki Swannell, first time I heard her I found it a bit jarring but she knows her shit and she7s into it and is observant. Does take a wee bit of getting used to too for neanderthal drongos like me but after a game or two you adjust and now I'd actually rather have her over shrieking disdainful TJ or going-through-the-motions Nesbo or the stats drone aussie guy.

 

[Dan54]

"we need NZR to carry Aus on it's back" yes Dan that is the NZRU mindset which is why they are not the right persons to develop the game in the region and lack the vision of what someone like twiggy had for the region.

It is about understanding what the region needs for level of maturity, population size, growth potential etc and what sort of model would best fit and NZRU would not have a clue what is required here.

No it's not NZR mindset,I said it (don't know if you noticed but I not NZRU) I being sarcastic and pointing out how you keep saying NZ has to release players etc to make Aus competitive, when I believe they can do it themselves.

 

[Dan54]

I like the role you are talking about for Lou. I really like her and i’m not suggesting a woman can’t add as much if more more insight as the blokes to the commentary. What I was saying was having a female as the actual commentator during game play didn’t work for me. It might for others, didn’t for me though.

Yep fair enough KOB, I was one that reacted when you first posted it, pobably because I was hoping you were being a old fashioned sexist, and I tended to be accused of that by my wife when I made comments when women first started commenting But I actually find the women doing it all seem pretty clued up on the game, and most in NZ anyway are players and been pretty good ones, the ones here I find good too , all seem to know the game. Which is main thing I want from and TV crew.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

No it's not NZR mindset,I said it (don't know if you noticed but I not NZRU) I being sarcastic and pointing out how you keep saying NZ has to release players etc to make Aus competitive, when I believe they can do it themselves.

Dan I will make the final point on this and try really hard to avoid discussing further - yeh I think we need more free flowing of players to ensure better distribution of players across the region for those teams involved in any cross border competition to establish better and stronger footprints across the region. NZ at this point got more depth so lets use that to help establish better and stronger footprints across the region (in teams that may join whether PI or oz teams) so create stronger competition in short term whilst relevant unions invest in grass roots to catch up long term where they can better sustain this themselves.

NZ needs a stronger regional footprint as can't financially sustain its own competition with its own teams and Australia struggles as well because of competition with other codes. Spread the talent which means more pathways for NZ players and better strong footprints, better competition, more broadcast and investment dollars for all. Lot more could say about it but won't as these threads get repetitive - but I just see win win for all. I think twiggy could see it with his proposal that any oz players who play for GRR teams should represent the wallabies (which RA knocked back but now showing more open to this for Trans Tasman Competition if what media reporting is correct).

I am banning myself from discussing anything more about Trans Tasman competitions anymore until something comes out as this whole thread becoming very circular.

 

[Dan54]

Yep fair enough mate, I know where you coming from, it just something I against , we will agree to disagree, I know we both want what we think is best, we just see it in different ways. Probably why it lucky we can talk about it in here, and neither of us will be proved right or wrong probably as they will do something we haven't thought of.

 

[hoggy]

I find the biggest issue with Australian commentary is the lack of variety, I remember from the early 2000's it's been pretty much the same crew, its not that I dislike them. But tuning in every single game for the last 20yrs its Kearns/Kafer/Clarke Martin/Gregan the whole thing becomes so bloody monotone. I switch between channels on Fox watch the AFL/NRL, Union and its like chalk & cheese.

Hell the leagies are full of it, every 2nd try is the try of the century but at least they talk it up. Switch over to Union and shit i'm at a funeral with Gregan telling us what private school in NSW the deceased attended.

Why not give the G&G podcast boys a go Richard/Blake, Matt & crew they know there stuff, and at least it won't sound like a funeral. Just do something different.

Last night the Brumbies/Reds showed what the game here can deliver.

My biggest fear for Aus rugby is we roll over take the easy option, give the kiwis what they want and next year Kearns & Kafer introduce an exciting new TT Super rugby competition on Fox Sports.

Sadly then we really will be attending a funeral with Aussie rugby in the coffin.