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Super Rugby AU Round 9 - Brumbies, v. Force, Friday 28 August 7:05pm AEST (5:05pm AWST)

Uh huh

Alfred Walker (16)
Hey what's the rule with the ball going out for a kick? i recall against Wales in the WC a critical kick from To'omua was tapped back in by Williams (i think). To do so he had to be standing in the field of play and jumped to tap it back in. The ball clearly crossed the 'plane' of the line or whatever. Banks on the other hand started out and just had to stop it from crossing the 'plane' while being in the air.

I don't get it.

I seem to recall it having been part of the package of changes when it stopped being out on the full when the catcher had a foot out. Am I misremembering?
 

Th0mo

Allen Oxlade (6)
Last decision (by the TMO) looked like absolute crap to me. FF (Folau Fainga'a) was fully and legally bound to the maul when he received the ball. Just what they thought Miller did is beyond me.

Cooper was less than mediocre when he had the central ref spot and he didn't cover himself in any glory as TMO tonight.

Cooper has probably been the best ref this season. And the issue seemed to be Miller was fractionally behind 20 when the ball was transferred with long arms. You need to rip directly off the catcher while bound/ in close quarters . He also was close to sliding back too before he transferred to FF (Folau Fainga'a).
 

mst

Peter Johnson (47)
Hey what's the rule with the ball going out for a kick? i recall against Wales in the WC a critical kick from To'omua was tapped back in by Williams (i think). To do so he had to be standing in the field of play and jumped to tap it back in. The ball clearly crossed the 'plane' of the line or whatever. Banks on the other hand started out and just had to stop it from crossing the 'plane' while being in the air.

I don't get it.

The ball is in touch or touch-in-goal when:

The ball or ball-carrier touches the touchline, touch-in-goal line or anything beyond.

A player, who is already touching the touchline, touch-in-goal line or anything beyond, catches or holds the ball.

If the ball has reached the plane of touch when it is caught, the catcher is not deemed to have taken the ball into touch.

If the ball has not reached the plane of touch when it is caught or picked up, the catcher is deemed to have taken the ball into touch, regardless of whether the ball was in motion or stationary.

The ball is not in touch or touch-in-goal if:

The ball reaches the plane of touch but is caught, knocked or kicked by a player who is in the playing area.

A player jumps, from within or outside the playing area, and catches the ball, and then lands in the playing area, regardless of whether the ball reached the plane of touch.

A player jumps from the playing area and knocks (or catches and releases) the ball back into the playing area, before landing in touch or touch-in-goal, regardless of whether the ball reached the plane of touch.

A player, who is in touch, kicks or knocks the ball, but does not hold it, provided it has not reached the plane of touch.
 

KOB1987

Rod McCall (65)
I sincerely hope this isn't what ends up happening to Australian rugby.
It was a bit tongue in cheek of course, and was Force specific. However I have no objection whatsoever to outside capital being used in the other franchises, but I’d prefer it be used to retain our best players, or get them back.
 

Uh huh

Alfred Walker (16)
Allowing rugby to slide into full football-style privatisation would be a mistake, and anyone who things Andrew Forrest is our saviour is misguided. There are elements of rugby that we ought to consider sacred, and we all know how much regard Forrest has for sacred sites.
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
I remain confused by the high praise given to White. He certainly fits in Super but claims that his pass was more accurate than Powell seems to me inaccurate. White can be quicker with his service, he takes a lot of steps before passing and the ball is often not accurately delivered.

His stepping can morph into a semi-snipe which is interesting, but the steps slow the delivery.

White does have a presence and an ability to confidently be in the face of his opposition. He manages to communicate with the ref without being direct - shrugging, hands up in dismay etc - but he might muster this ability getting the pigs up, I would think.

I know his box kick is praised, but to me it seems an auto-defensive action rather than something well considered. How often are they properly chased?

He is clearly comfortable in high level competition, which would include international level. But I still would prefer to see more before he is thrust into gold. He does have the skillsets to be sure, I'm just not convinced he is pulling them together consistent with the international class half people say he is.

It very likely is simply due to not having enough miles under his belt this season. But should that remain the case I wouldn't be starting him at 9 against the ABs.
 

Forcefield

Ken Catchpole (46)
Couldn't disagree more. He finished 2019 as clearly our best 9. Genia is now gone. He is the only current 9 with significant match experience against the ABs. He hasn't been poor in his few appearances so far and hasn't had a lot of game play before that. He is exactly who I'd start. McDermott would be a close second.
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
Couldn't disagree more. He finished 2019 as clearly our best 9. Genia is now gone. He is the only current 9 with significant match experience against the ABs. He hasn't been poor in his few appearances so far and hasn't had a lot of game play before that. He is exactly who I'd start. McDermott would be a close second.

I'm making no comment on how he finished 2019. I'm talking his form right now. If we are starting him, I hope he pulls his socks up very quickly.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
I'm making no comment on how he finished 2019. I'm talking his form right now. If we are starting him, I hope he pulls his socks up very quickly.


In both games he's gotten a try assist within two minutes of coming on.

In both games the Brumbies doubled their tries scored when he came on, even tho only playing 30min.

In both games the score was tight, Nic White came and it finished an easy win to the Brumbies.

Judging him of two bench performances is harsh, but if we must i think those 3 facts are important.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
In both games he's gotten a try assist within two minutes of coming on.

In both games the Brumbies doubled their tries scored when he came on, even tho only playing 30min.

In both games the score was tight, Nic White came and it finished an easy win to the Brumbies.

Judging him of two bench performances is harsh, but if we must i think those 3 facts are important.



I'll be quite happy for him to come off the bench in the final with those results.........
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
In both games he's gotten a try assist within two minutes of coming on.

In both games the Brumbies doubled their tries scored when he came on, even tho only playing 30min.

In both games the score was tight, Nic White came and it finished an easy win to the Brumbies.

Judging him of two bench performances is harsh, but if we must i think those 3 facts are important.

He is the half back for goodness sake, of course he is involved in these things. Tail end and the Brumbies bench strength comes into play.

Judging him on two performances is all we have because he has only given us two performances. That is not harsh, it is what he has done.

Look, no doubt his "incumbency" comes into play. But he is in no way the form half in two 30 minute performances.
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
In both games he's gotten a try assist within two minutes of coming on.

In both games the Brumbies doubled their tries scored when he came on, even tho only playing 30min.

In both games the score was tight, Nic White came and it finished an easy win to the Brumbies.

Judging him of two bench performances is harsh, but if we must i think those 3 facts are important.


Same was said about Hegarty against the Force last weekend, i think fatigue of the opposition plays just as much a part in these correlations, especially for the Force who have been away from home with a limited squad.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
Same was said about Hegarty against the Force last weekend, i think fatigue of the opposition plays just as much a part in these correlations, especially for the Force who have been away from home with a limited squad.


Did Hegarty set up most of the tries? no he didn't. White did. You can say it's just the Force all you like but they took the rebels the distance. White did it to the Tahs as well.
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Did Hegarty set up most of the tries? no he didn't. White did. You can say it's just the Force all you like but they took the rebels the distance. White did it to the Tahs as well.

correlation vs causation when the common factor is a tiring defence.. Force have faded out their last few games, they’ve been away for a long time and have less depth in their squads to cycle through.. its hardly surprising they’re getting blown away in the last 20
 

Uh huh

Alfred Walker (16)
correlation vs causation when the common factor is a tiring defence.. Force have faded out their last few games, they’ve been away for a long time and have less depth in their squads to cycle through.. its hardly surprising they’re getting blown away in the last 20

Also the Brumbies have been a lot stronger in the second half in this comp. They generally seem to have better fitness and a more capable bench than the other teams. Every scrum-half has come off the bench at least once, and every one of them has looked great doing so.
 
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