COVID-19 Stuff Here

[boyo]

The trouble with the UK is that they've been telling students 'uni's still on' while the tiered system has been in place. So they've travelled back to their colleges, halls, and sharehouses, and are now more or less stuck there. They probably won't make it home for Christmas.

The UK Westminster government has given us a 'how-not-to' in all of this.

Fixed

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Colonel Captain Tom has some competition for Top Old Gent 2020:

 

[Tex]

Local vaccine candidate has been terminated after participants tested false-positive for HIV.

That's a bad outcome from the perspective of conspiracy theorist idiots now linking HIV (false) positive to vaccination. We're still trying to unpick the erroneous link bw vaccination and autism, years and years after that bunk study was published.

 

[Teh Other Dave]

Local vaccine candidate has been terminated after participants tested false-positive for HIV.

That's a bad outcome from the perspective of conspiracy theorist idiots now linking HIV (false) positive to vaccination. We're still trying to unpick the erroneous link bw vaccination and autism, years and years after that bunk study was published.

I'm living in the faint hope that Uncle Rupe's rags haven't used the adjective 'botched'.

 

[Slim 293]

The US has now passed 300,000 Covid deaths.........

 

[Brumby Runner]

And it's not all over yet. Despite the confidence being put into the various vaccines, medico experts today are saying the vaccines will keep the sickness at bay but not stop the transmission at all. Looks likely a large swathe of the world's population will be unvaccinated for some time (perhaps big numbers in the USofA where poor judgements surrounding personal freedoms could see many refusing the vaccine) so those will presumably still be in danger of developing the full illness.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ I've seen reports of surveys showing anywhere between 1/3 & 1/2 of respondents saying they won't get vaccinated. Split generally 50/50-ish between your actual anti-vaxxers & those who don't trust the speed with which these particular vaccines have been developed. I'm not especially high risk so will have plenty of time to see how it pans out before deciding whether to get jabbed or not but it must be unnerving for those in the higher-risk groups who are being asked to take a leap of faith at the same time as people who should be encouraging them to do so are giving out mixed messages at best if not downright misinformation.

 

[Dctarget]

I've been trying to work out what percentage of the population Australia needs to vaccinate before opening up. I've settled on around 35%. But even that is 9 million people, vaccinated twice, doing 100,000 a day will take 6 months.

 

[formerflanker]

I've been trying to work out what percentage of the population Australia needs to vaccinate before opening up. I've settled on around 35%. But even that is 9 million people, vaccinated twice, doing 100,000 a day will take 6 months.

I'm not sure of my facts, but I assumed that opening up Australia to international travellers required us having herd immunity and that stands at 70% of the population.
If correct, that's yet another 6 months before we travel/accept travellers.

 

[Dctarget]

I'm not sure of my facts, but I assumed that opening up Australia to international travellers required us having herd immunity and that stands at 70% of the population.
If correct, that's yet another 6 months before we travel/accept travellers.

I would love to see a graph that shows how much the virus spreads with x % immunised. If they manage to immunise all the vulnerable people that would take up ICUs then maybe the virus suddenly becomes a lot less dangerous/worrying and they let it run through the community like the common cold.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I want to travel next year so I'll be inclined to get the vaccine if it shows to be free of anything majorly wrong. It has to be effective too, of course.

 

[fatprop]

I would love to see a graph that shows how much the virus spreads with x % immunised. If they manage to immunise all the vulnerable people that would take up ICUs then maybe the virus suddenly becomes a lot less dangerous/worrying and they let it run through the community like the common cold.

You would think the first tier would be those in the at risk categories followed by those who want to travel etc

 

[formerflanker]

The American Medical Association (AMA) rescinds hydroxychloroquine prevention order so that doctors can now prescribe Hydroxychloroquine tablets (HCQ) to cure and prevent the Covid-19.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ sorry, fake news c/-Rush Limbaugh & others:

"While a change in its position toward hydroxychloroquine was considered, the American Medical Association rejected the proposal."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ab...nged/507-76cac7cc-bd0d-4c21-8771-06949c2220ae

 

[formerflanker]

^ sorry, fake news c/-Rush Limbaugh & others:

"While a change in its position toward hydroxychloroquine was considered, the American Medical Association rejected the proposal."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ab...nged/507-76cac7cc-bd0d-4c21-8771-06949c2220ae

Yep just saw that - so what we have is one group of doctors in the AMA arguing that HCQ plus zinc is beneficial in the early stages of the Wuhan Flu, and another group saying the opposite.
In short, the science is not settled.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ that's one way of looking at it. Another is the junk news site you linked to essentially making shit up.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I've been trying to work out what percentage of the population Australia needs to vaccinate before opening up. I've settled on around 35%. But even that is 9 million people, vaccinated twice, doing 100,000 a day will take 6 months.

Healthcare in Australia is terribly inefficient and Doctors run just about the most ruthless and restrictive union in Australia. It could be done much more efficiently and quickly if you could also break the last great retail rort in Australia which is Pharmacies.

 

[formerflanker]

^ that's one way of looking at it. Another is the junk news site you linked to essentially making shit up.

If by "junk news" you mean Resolution 509 (November 2020), Subject:Hydroxychloroquine and Combination Therapies – Off-Label Use, Proposal the the AMA House of Delegates (a proposal by Bruce A. Scott, MD, Speaker, House of Delegates
Lisa Bohman Egbert, MD, Vice Speaker, House of Delegates (Georgia), well yes its just shit.
However, the facts are that the resolution was presented to the AMA and then rejected.
Scientist vs scientist.

 

[cyclopath]

Healthcare in Australia is terribly inefficient and Doctors run just about the most ruthless and restrictive union in Australia. It could be done much more efficiently and quickly if you could also break the last great retail rort in Australia which is Pharmacies.

Healthcare in Australia is not inefficient as a result of the AMA. If that is what you are suggesting. And no, I don't say that out of any great love for the AMA.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Kenny aint wrong about the Pharmacy Guild though