Where to for Super Rugby?

[Rugbynutter39]

Don’t mind that as then when all the test footy is on we could give blokes an opportunity to play super rugby in the local comp to get some exposure

Yep - ideally would be better if all supper rugby players available but appreciate may not be possible given rugby calendar and may need to do this. For me keeping some sort of domestic comp in place like this short form idea better then disbanding and even if have to be run during test window would at least give fringe players more game time - prefer of course If could be played before start of super rugby where all available which could be possible if did this six nations style with no finals

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Ok rugbynutter, so the coaches etc NZR sent to asian countries was not to help strengthen the game? I agree , more could be done, but not quite sure what. Mate I know Aus rugby supporters, on the internet, have not a lot of trust in NZR, but I think you will find a good number of kiwis don't really trust RA either.

And hence back to argument that TT best run by independent body

And btw not just oz fans on internet who mistrust nzru as this is general vibe has with many rugby supporters in the dog park, out and about at pubs etc etc -

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Yep - ideally would be better if all supper rugby players available but appreciate may not be possible given rugby calendar and may need to do this. For me keeping some sort of domestic comp in place like this short form idea better then disbanding and even if have to be run during test window would at least give fringe players more game time - prefer of course If could be played before start of super rugby where all available which could be possible if did this six nations style with no finals

So what you're proposing is the NRC but with a slightly different format. Which for the record. I'm fine with. I'd go as far as to suggest opening a spot for both the SRU and BRU to enter a their own rep squad in it.

 

[dru]

So what you're proposing is the NRC but with a slightly different format. Which for the record. I'm fine with. I'd go as far as to suggest opening a spot for both the SRU and BRU to enter a their own rep squad in it.

Me too. I'd have no problem an NRC style domestic comp, followed by a TT featuring "rep" teams from each state. Hold onto the current Super teams names as IP.

Or morph that NRC style comp to better pick up SS teams willing to make the transfer. I also think the model could cope with a reduction in TT "rep" teams if that was what is required to balance the playing field.

Bottom line for me is that the basis of where we go should come out of a broadened domestic comp.

Of course it is pipe dream stuff that will not happen. Pity.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

So what you're proposing is the NRC but with a slightly different format. Which for the record. I'm fine with. I'd go as far as to suggest opening a spot for both the SRU and BRU to enter a their own rep squad in it.

Actually no I am not.

I am proposing first option is playing full super squad in six nations format with like 6 nation no finals and home games alternate each year, and ideally played at start of season and before TT.

I actually think this is possible given if only talking 1 round with 5 teams and no finals. This is most definitely what looking for.

The other option you refer to is to have after TT which would be in test window and hence not my preference as this is more to give us oz super rugby pro competition with a winner and not another nrc.

 

[kiap]

^ Add a 6th to avoid a bye.

And Drua as in NRC couldn't or wouldn't be allowed (I think) to play in Super. They need to be a lot stronger surely!

Your nzr has taken it upon themselves to invite them, Dan.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Actually no I am not.

I am proposing first option is playing full super squad in six nations format with like 6 nation no finals and home games alternate each year, and ideally played at start of season and before TT.

I actually think this is possible given if only talking 1 round with 5 teams and no finals. This is most definitely what looking for.

The other option you refer to is to have after TT which would be in test window and hence not my preference as this is more to give us oz super rugby pro competition with a winner and not another nrc.

So you'd have a 5 week Aus only competition and then a 11 week TT competition? As opposed to the 10 week Super Rugby Au and 5 week TT we have now? I'd prefer what we currently have with the addition of Fiji to even numbers out as I don't see how it would be of any greater level of benefit. Then move into a 6 weeks TT competition.

 

[Dan54]

And hence back to argument that TT best run by independent body

And btw not just oz fans on internet who mistrust nzru as this is general vibe has with many rugby supporters in the dog park, out and about at pubs etc etc -

Mate and as I said, that was what Robinson said that NZR wanted right at start, I know it wasn't in Aus newspapers(surprise) but that was his exact words. They wanted to get te basics of a comp set up and then find a body to run it.

 

[Dan54]

^ Add a 6th to avoid a bye.


Your nzr has taken it upon themselves to invite them, Dan.

Well actually Drua applied to NZR (and why did they not apply with RA?) and NZR said they had to meet conditions to join. as of now there is no full comp with Aus fianlised what did you want them to do?
There seems to be a reason that teams have applied to NZR to join and not RA, can we guess who maybe they trust more?

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Well actually Drua applied to NZR (and why did they not apply with RA?) and NZR said they had to meet conditions to join. as of now there is no full comp with Aus fianlised what did you want them to do?
There seems to be a reason that teams have applied to NZR to join and not RA, can we guess who maybe they trust more?

Without RA, Fiji wouldn't have a structure in place in order to even consider competing. And I find it interesting that the guy who has said he doesn't believe everything he reads in the press is willing buying the position that it's just the NZR involved in the discussion. Even though it has been stated in our media that RA are also taking part. May be it's just the NZ media you believe.

 

[Derpus]

Well actually Drua applied to NZR (and why did they not apply with RA?) and NZR said they had to meet conditions to join. as of now there is no full comp with Aus fianlised what did you want them to do?
There seems to be a reason that teams have applied to NZR to join and not RA, can we guess who maybe they trust more?

Isnt it because NZR invited applications and RA didn't? That's the reason people in Aus are/were pissed off. NZR going off half cocked without consultation and without considering our needs, trying to position themselves at the head of the table.

You don't need to read any of the news to infer NZR management's attitude from their actions.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

^ Add a 6th to avoid a bye.


Your nzr has taken it upon themselves to invite them, Dan.

Yeh I was thinking ideally add 6th team to avoid bye like fiji and then we truly have 6 nations concept. To me this is no brainer as short form competition which at this point keeps the domestic interest and concept of oz champion - and provides perfect lead into TT as well as much needed insurance policy by keeping foot in the door for domestic competition rather then all eggs in one basket in néw and unproven TT comp.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Well actually Drua applied to NZR (and why did they not apply with RA?) and NZR said they had to meet conditions to join. as of now there is no full comp with Aus fianlised what did you want them to do?
There seems to be a reason that teams have applied to NZR to join and not RA, can we guess who maybe they trust more?

I am proposing with my option Fiji invited as part of our 6 regions comp (there you go even come up with name) that is precursor to TT so does not stop Fiji being involved given outside of TT window

 

[Rugbynutter39]

you'd have a 5 week Aus only competition and then a 11 week TT competition? As opposed to the 10 week Super Rugby Au and 5 week TT we have now? I'd prefer what we currently have with the addition of Fiji to even numbers out as I don't see how it would be of any greater level of benefit. Then move into a 6 weeks TT competition.

I am accepting commercial reality and better then 2 round TT comp with no domestic comp.

I like the idea of what we have with Fiji but if move to full TT 2 round competition then this is plan b proposal which I must say I actually like more and more as plan b option if we do move to 2 round TT competition rather then having no domestic competition at all under this option

 

[Rugbynutter39]

And I also like the idea of calling this short form competition the ‘6 regions’ competition from marketing perspective to put a bit of 6 nations spin on it...
.........
Dear Hamish, please see my proposal above and consider as alternative short form competition if plans are to move to 2 round trans tasman competition in 2022...yours RN

 

[Dan54]

Without RA, Fiji wouldn't have a structure in place in order to even consider competing. And I find it interesting that the guy who has said he doesn't believe everything he reads in the press is willing buying the position that it's just the NZR involved in the discussion. Even though it has been stated in our media that RA are also taking part. May be it's just the NZ media you believe.

Actually this wasn't from press but someone in rugby, who has been pretty accurate in things he has told me from Fiji and islands . He was saying there wasn't an awful lot of raptures with some in been how he thought was been used last year. You know Hamish going to press with stories of Drua being invited to join the mythical comp Aus was starting to show NZR what for. As he said what was upsetting anyone with a smidgen of brain would of noticed that RA was almost broke at that stage, and there was no way, and he knew it, that Fiji could even contemplate joining any such comp.
Bit like the Lions tour to Aus this year? The bottom line is I have said time and again I know and like that Hamish knows how to use press to make RA look good, all you need is enough gullible people to swallow it.
But anyway let's not go there again

 

[Dan54]

And I also like the idea of calling this short form competition the ‘6 regions’ competition from marketing perspective to put a bit of 6 nations spin on it.
...
Dear Hamish, please see my proposal above and consider as alternative short form competition if plans are to move to 2 round trans tasman competition in 2022.yours RN

Can you send a letter of as soon as RN? I do like it, got a lot going for it, prevents boredom of too much of same thing of a few teams playing each other twice etc.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Actually this wasn't from press but someone in rugby, who has been pretty accurate in things he has told me from Fiji and islands . He was saying there wasn't an awful lot of raptures with some in been how he thought was been used last year. You know Hamish going to press with stories of drua being invited to join the mythical comp Aus was starting to show NZR. As he said what was upsetting anyone with a smidgen of brain would of noticed that RA was almost broke at that stage, and there was no way, and he knew it, that Fiji could even contemplate joining any such comp.
Bit like the Lions tour to Aus this year? The bottom line is I have said time and again I know and like that Hamish knows how to use press to make RA look good, all you need is enough gullible people to swallow it.
But anyway let's not go there again

The mythical inside connection. Yeah, I'll take the word of a Rugby journalist I can put a name and face to as opposed to your masked informant. Hush. Hush.

 

[Dan54]

The mythical inside connection. Yeah, I'll take the word of a Rugby journalist I can put a name and face to as opposed to your masked informant. Hush. Hush.

Not mythical inside connection , just someone I know who I discuss rugby with, who has never steered me wrong, is not anyone official. And I will add I not saying the journalist was the one perhaps saying what he knew wasn't going to ever happen.
But as I say some are a little more gullible than others, and it easy to believe what we want regardless of what was obvious.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Not mythical inside connection , just someone I know who I discuss rugby with, who has never steered me wrong, is not anyone official. And I will add I not saying the journalist was the one perhaps saying what he knew wasn't going to ever happen.
But as I say some are a little more gullible than others, and it easy to believe what we want regardless of what was obvious.

No one official. Then how is he attaining his insights. A friend of a friends, friend. Come on. And you call me 'a little more gullible'.