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Cheetahs vs Waratahs - 2011R05

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Boomer

Alfred Walker (16)
Not sure what you mean by insular. Are you saying I think Australian rugby is limited to said NSW numpties? Far from it pal. Thats my point. Said numpties also get into Wallabies and hence they are soft. By the way, as a QLDer i enjoyed the loss if only as a kick in the pants to the Tahs players. And by the way, There is no such thing as an upper class in Australia.

I believe your point was NSW selected a team with massive reps, without runs on the board and/or steel in the spine.

Soft upper class numpties sounds about right.

And as for the class issue, don't kid yourself. The place has always had have's and have not's.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Then what is the point of the Waratahs? They may as well pack it in and disband if they are just in the competition to make up numbers and not be the best. Come on, they pride themselves on being the best in Australia - they would wanna fucking be competitive against the Crusaders.

The point is that no one, not even the Stormers, are competitive with the Crusaders. The Blues when they are hot are probably their closest competition, but when they are cold they are 30 points worse. The loss against the Crusaders away was not surprising. The game against the Cheetahs on the other hand.....
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Then what is the point of the Waratahs? They may as well pack it in and disband if they are just in the competition to make up numbers and not be the best. Come on, they pride themselves on being the best in Australia - they would wanna fucking be competitive against the Crusaders.

they were competitive against the crusaders. if they had kicked the goals they missed, they would have lost by 2. we were also without our 5/8 and TPN went off injured. before this, the tahs were very much in the game. but its a thing about sport, if someone wins, someone has to lose.

i would argue that being the best in australia involves being the best australian team, which i dont think after one woeful performance, remembering that they destroyed your beloved reds a few weeks ago there is major cause for concern or rethinking yet.

they will bounce back, they had a shocker, there isnt really any excuses for it, but at the same time. reading into it as if it reflects some hidden truth is completely over the top.

im interested in your thoughts on why the reds exist though, should make good reading.
 
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Richard D. James

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Seems to me the larger problem for Australian Rugby here is the aggression, technique and mental toughness required to be dominant at the breakdown, week in and week out. Something our Kiwi brethren are much better at.

I think the Force are the only Oz team that can hold their heads up in this regard.
 
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Bradley

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So what's going to happen Tahs supporters? Will Hickey make some changes? Have we seen the last of Pakalani, Ulugia and Cutch? Will Alcock get a go? Who will replace them?
 
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Richard D. James

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they were competitive against the crusaders. .

I disagree, the Waratahs were comprehensively outplayed by the Saders, as every team who has played them since has been.

I do agree that they will bounce back, they are still a strong side.
 

rugbysmartarse

Alan Cameron (40)
So what's going to happen Tahs supporters? Will Hickey make some changes? Have we seen the last of Pakalani, Ulugia and Cutch? Will Alcock get a go? Who will replace them?
Sam Wykes in 09 and 10 was an awful lock. He gave away penalties, dropped balls and I couldn't believe the force persisted with him. This year he has been a much stronger player. Is it because if a better coach, or just experience?

Timani at the moment is fuck awful. Pakalani not much better last night. Is there anyone better who is missing out? Not really (although you can argue one or two equally untested cases) but they will get better with time. I suspect not much will change in the team.



But Alcock should have been on the bench last night
 

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
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I had the misfortune of attending this appalling game, the only relief the company of His Ancientness Lee Grant and my 19 year old son, both astute rugby judges. Towards the end of this shocker I did something I've NEVER done previously: left before the full-time hooter. But fate kept my record intact as the siren sounded before I reached the bottom of the stairs and turned away from the disaster in front of me. A quick beer at a nearby rubbity failed to ease the pain before my young bloke and I headed back to the Blue Mountains with the memory of this shocker still on our minds.

Where to start for the Tahs? As always, rugby results are determined in the forward contests and here the Tahs pigs were woeful. His Ancientness opined the team which wins the collisions invariably wins the match, he couldn't've been more right last night as the Tahs pigs were either belted off the ball or resolutely refused to compete. HA remarked a Kiwi team would at least counter-ruck to (occasionally) bugger up the ball for the opposing halfback. Why oh why don't Australian forwards counter-ruck? The commitment (and physical weight) the Cheetahs pigs exerted at the breakdown resulted in tiny shifts of momentum and, lo, Brussow's turned over the pill. Again. And again. Heinrich was magnificent, a deserved MotM. My young bloke returned recently from a three match tour of New Zealand, one thing about Kiwi forward play which impressed him mightily was the placement of forwards' pods at specific points across the paddock and the prediliction of Kiwis to play to a prescribed pattern to take advantage of those pods. He took great delight in pointing out similar pods of Cheetahs forwards at certain times, and, bugger me, play wandered over to those pods with no Tahs fowards in sight! Apart from dynamic play, at one kick-off we counted five pods of two Cheetahs players spread across the park anticipating a sneaky Tahs play, the players closest to us were a winger grasping the pants of a 13 ready to hoist him up. I mean, these are the Cheetahs here, not exactly the smartest rugby players going around. What does that say about the Tahs?

The individual skills displayed by professional rugby players was simply not up to scratch. How can a bloke who trains, what 30 hours a week, drop the pill cold with a try begging? Why do we see rugby players wandering around near the play surprised when a ball's thrown to them, AND THEY DROP IT! "I didn't know it was meant for me", they say, "I wasn't expecting the ball", they cry. Take up soccer if you can't catch a rugby ball.

The lack of urgency to reform structure after set pieces was appalling. Time after time Burgess tossed the pill out to the backs and there was no bastard there to catch it! I lost count of the times a pass went to no one. That's the times Burgess tried to get the Tahs attack moving, he seems to've got a bad case of the Gregans as he waits for the ball to hatch. Luke, it never did for George, it won't do it for you. HA remarked the Saders would've had a sprint race to get back to put numbers behind a kick return, last night very few (if any) Tahs exerted themselves to provide support in counter-attacks. Beale had a poor game, he didn't use whatever support he did have when running the pill back, he didn't pass it once on kick returns. And Carter had his usual, predictable, unimaginative game; did Tom pass the ball at all last night? And don't get me started on the pointless kicking by Barnes and Beale.

Those of you who know me know how passionate I am in my support for the Tahs, even to the extent of naming my business after the state rugby side. This is the worst performance I've ever seen from an Australian rugby side, and I was there for the defeat by Tonga in 1973! I haven't got a fucking clue how the Tahs are going to get themselves back from this one. It's becoming painfully obvious they aren't competitive without their first-choice team on the paddock.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Cross has to go to 13 with turner and Mitchell the wings. Hickey was trying to fix something that wasn't broke so we had an oc that played like a winger. Surely they signed cross for this very circumstance.

The less said about the forwards the better but it seems they dint turn up without Waugh and tpn leading them.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Thats what I said....

Gosh hyperbole or not its still wrong for a million gazzilion reasons :)
never in a thousand years.

Crawling AFTER tackle yes....
Sorry, missed the eg in your first post, which changed the context somewhat. I still don't think crawling over the line is exactly kosher.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
......

The individual skills displayed by professional rugby players was simply not up to scratch. How can a bloke who trains, what 30 hours a week, drop the pill cold with a try begging. Why do we see rugby players wandering around near the play surprised when a ball's thrown to them, AND THEY DROP IT! "I didn't know it was meant for me", they say, "I wasn't expecting the ball", they cry. Take up soccer if you can't catch a rugby ball. ......

The lack of urgency to reform structure after set pieces was appalling. Time after time Burgess tossed the pill out to the backs and there was no bastard there to catch it! I lost count of the times a pass went to no one. That's the times Burgess tried to get the Tahs attack moving, he seems to've got a bad case of the Gregans as he waits for the ball to hatch. Luke, it never did for George, it won't do it for you. HA remarked the Saders would've had a sprint race to get back to put numbers behind a kick return, last night very few (if any) Tahs exerted themselves to provide support in counter-attacks. Beale had a poor game, he didn't use whatever support he did have when running the pill back, he didn't pass it once on kick returns. And Carter had his usual, predictable, unimaginative game; did Tom pass the ball at all last night? And don't get me started on the pointless kicking by Barnes and Beale. .............

It's becoming painfully obvious they aren't competitive without their first-choice team on the paddock.

Very eloquent Lindomer. I am still unable to consider the effort and application of the Tahs "professionals" without lapsing into invective and profanity. These are the keys points IMO from your post.

Hickey will not be reappointed. I said after week one & two that the team played no new game plan from last year, it was just the old one executed with precision commitment and urgency. Against the Crusaders they reverted to last years level of effort and now against the Cheeteahs have found new depths of uselessness.

32 Years a Tahs supporter and I agree with you, never have I witnessed such a truly lazy and thoroughly unprofessional effort.

Even if they do make the Semis from here the lack of application especially from some individuals in particular, cannot be forgiven and should not be forgotten when the time comes to write contracts. This is not the first time for these players just the worst.
 

#1 Tah

Chilla Wilson (44)
did anyone see the 'tail' on the Cheetahs' kicking tee?

1) what is it?
2) what is it supposed to do?
3) is it legal?
 

Brumbies Guy

John Solomon (38)
did anyone see the 'tail' on the Cheetahs' kicking tee?

1) what is it?
2) what is it supposed to do?
3) is it legal?

ten-pin-lane.jpg


See the arrows on the lane? Same concept as the string, line it up with target and go for it. Easier to line up with a close indicator than judging it all from a distance.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
I disagree, the Waratahs were comprehensively outplayed by the Saders, as every team who has played them since has been.

I do agree that they will bounce back, they are still a strong side.

But RDJ - they failed to front up in a number of key ways. Commitment in all facets, dynamism and application all fell away noticeably when TPN and Waugh left the field. Is that all it takes to get them to fall apart? The cracks that were exposed by the Crusaders came back in spades against the Cheetahs. They were woeful in everything and basic skills such as catching and passing (even under no pressure at all) were 3rd or 4th grade level if not worse.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
Staff member
I would have struggled to make a Tahs highlights package, so did this instead.

[video=youtube;DoPaAUBmPLI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoPaAUBmPLI[/video]
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
:thumb Good video, Moses! Cheetahs deserved their win.

I think your headline needs a bit of tweaking though, because it was the Tahs who were f****d defiled, not the other way round.

Cheetahs merely lost their cherry. Maybe something like 'Blokes from Bloem deflower terrible Tahs'.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
Staff member
I was discussing this with Timmsy, and I'm still not convinced either way... the Cheetahs popped their travelling cherry with a first away win, and the Tahs were deflowered. Think I've messed up the puns/.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Yeah, it sort of nearly works both ways. The 'bloom' and the Tahs combine as a floral arrangement too (just not smelling as sweet from Sydney this time). Cleverly done there, mate.

I reckon those Blokes from Bloem plucked the Waratah's petals, though. ... (poor petals - deflowered).
 
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