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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/f...oalseam-gas-20111027-1mlbu.html#ixzz1bz9f8yKm
Farmers launch blockade against coal-seam gas October 27, 2011 - 2:39PM

Angry farmers have blockaded a property on the Liverpool Plains in north-western NSW in a bid to stop coal-seam gas exploration in the area.

About 70 farmers are reportedly involved in the blockade, outside the main gate of the property, which is about 10 kilometres outside the village of Spring Ridge, The Northern Daily Leader reports.

Oil and gas giant Santos was working to drill a pilot well on black soil plains to explore the gas reserves in the area.

Advertisement: Story continues below Community members and landholders have gathered at the site in a united front against the industry giant.

Members from the Caroona Coal Action Group are reportedly assisting the landholders.

AAP reports: A Santos spokesman Matthew Doman said the company had been discussing plans for "pilot testing" for 18 months at the Glasserton site.

But Caroona Coal Action Group spokesman Tim Duddy said the landowners in the area he had spoken to had not been consulted.

Mr Duddy, who owns 2950 hectares of prime agricultural land in the area, said Santos was interested in pilot production of coal-seam gas - which goes beyond pilot testing.

"There's not a single pilot testing which has not advanced into a gas field," he told AAP today.

Mr Duddy said a police officer was present at the protest but it had been peaceful and the blockade would continue.

"There could be people here in a month, we'll just see what happens," he said.

Mr Duddy said drilling for coal-seam gas had the potential to contaminate underground natural aquifers and destroy prime farming land.

"We're talking about bores that would produce enough for Sydney's supply," he said.

"It will destroy the agricultural industry ... the drilling is what will do the harm.

"Our biggest fear is they are proposing pilot production of CSG and in that process, they'll bring toxic water to the surface."

Mr Duddy, who grows corn, canola and cotton and raises cattle, said science had not proven that drilling for coal seam gas was safe.

He criticised the state government's moratorium on new coal-seam gas exploration licences, which expired in late September, arguing seven-eighths of the state was already covered by the licences.

Greens MP (Moana Pasifika) Jeremy Buckingham said his party backed the farmers and he accused the state government of failing to listen to the community's concerns.

"The government has failed to respond to the legitimate concerns of the community about the risk coal-seam gas mining presents to our precious water resources," he said in a statement.

"The message to the government is clear: if they don't take action to prevent damage to our agricultural and environmental assets from coal-seam gas mining, the community will take direct action."

Mr Buckingham called on NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell to put a moratorium on coal-seam gas until more was known about its environmental and economic impacts.

He also urged the government to suspend exploration and pilot production activities until an inquiry into the risks of the industry was completed.

"The government has been caught before trying to sideline this important study to allow mining to occur in the Liverpool Plains region," he said.

"The community is right to take this action to ensure it protects its water supply."
 

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
This is a bit more interesting including the bolded para at the end. This is such a big issue and only GetUp is agitating about it with any seriousness.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/ener...as-projects-20111027-1mm53.html#ixzz1c0V5ilr1

Energy analyst turns up heat on new gas projects Paddy Manning
October 28, 2011


Gundi Royle ... ''Australian voters should know they will be carrying the can."
Criticism is growing over the rush to approve coal seam gas proposals, writes Paddy Manning.

Senior energy analyst Gundi Royle has broken ranks with her colleagues, attacking industry and regulators for failing to conduct independent regional modelling of the groundwater impacts of up to $80 billion in planned coal seam gas (CSG) development, mostly in Queensland.

Royle, an experienced energy industry executive now with US investment bank Moelis & Company, has told the Herald the coal seam gas industry is "racing ahead to establish a fait accompli, and governments have been negligent in not joining up the dots. Once the capital is sunk it will be impossible to stop the industry rolling over the country."

Up to 40,000 coal seam gas wells are to be drilled across Queensland in coming decades as companies including Santos, Origin Energy, BG Group and Shell develop four massive liquefied natural gas (LNG) projects, based in Gladstone.

Advertisement: Story continues below The first three projects, valued at more than $50 billion, have gained all necessary environmental approvals and the proponents have reached a final investment decision to go ahead with development, but the approvals are subject to review under the Queensland government's ''adaptive'' regulatory process. Shell's Arrow LNG project has yet to lodge an environmental application and is targeting a final investment decision in 2013.

Royle, an Australian-trained hydrogeologist now based in France, says the scale of these CSG-to-LNG projects is unprecedented and "groundwater issues will take years to emerge, by which time the industry has taken out the profits, leaving the Australian taxpayer to deal with the liabilities".

Royle, 57, worked as a geologist for Esso, Santos and Ampol Exploration in Australia before joining the finance industry here and in Britain, including as managing director of Deutsche Bank in London. She says the oil and gas industry is "very, very good at reservoir modelling … but it needs to be done on a regional scale, not a project scale''.

Her concerns echo those of the National Water Commission, which sounded the alarm last year at uncertainty about the cumulative impacts of multiple coal seam gas projects that will together extract an estimated 300-plus gigalitres of salty water each year, including from the Great Artesian Basin. The commission noted coal seam gas posed a "substantial risk to sustainable water management" and called for a more precautionary approach.

The Australian Petroleum Production and Exploration Association says the industry commissioned the University of Southern Queensland to model the groundwater impacts of the four proposed CSG-to-LNG projects, which was released earlier this year.

According to the association, the study, by consultants RPS Aquaterra, shows the coal seam gas industry will have ''little impact on either the Great Artesian Basin or aquifers relied on by agriculture''. But release of the study attracted controversy in August, when the university's Professor Steven Raine, responsible for the project, disputed the industry's claims about the significance of the study, which looked at the groundwater drawdown during coal seam gas extraction.

"USQ had been asked to verify the data from a study commissioned by the coal seam gas industry and had concluded that there was little difference in the effects of large or small water drawdowns, but this did not necessarily mean that there was little impact on the environment," Professor Raine said at the time. "Further research would need to be undertaken for any substantiated conclusion to be made."

APPEA's chief operating officer, Rick Wilkinson, says the study was not intended to be the final study on coal seam gas water impacts but was another step to improve understanding of the regional impacts of coal seam gas extraction.

Wilkinson says the first two CSG-to-LNG project proponents had not assessed cumulative impacts because ''not all projects were known at the same time, and one project is still to put in its environmental impact study submission''. ''So it was not possible nor required to do a cumulative impact study of all known, potential and speculative CSG projects. When any new project seeks approval, they are required to consider cumulative impacts,'' he said.

A spokesman for the Queensland Environment Minister, Vicky Darling, says the state's Water Act was amended last year to establish cumulative management areas and ensure the coal seam gas industry was assessed as a whole.

The independent Queensland Water Commission was preparing an underground water impact report that will analyse all proposed projects in the Surat and Lower Bowen Basins, which would be released in coming months.

''This report will be used to avoid finger pointing between companies, ensure make-good agreements are in place before any possible impact on bore supply and, if unsustainable impacts are shown, will provide the information the regulator needs to change the conditions on existing approvals to ensure impacts can be avoided or mitigated,'' the spokesman says.

But Gundi Royle criticises the Queensland government's approach as an ''afterthought … considering that the CSG project approvals were given last year''.

''The industry is very good at reservoir modelling and I, as a former hydrogeologist, modelled complex aquifers 30 years ago. So why has that not been done?'' she says. ''Currently there are hundreds of wells planned but over the life of these projects some 40,000 wells will be drilled. It is the scale-up that will have unintended consequences and is rightly alarming to other land users.''

As an analyst, Royle has previously raised these concerns in her private notes to banking clients. She says she is prepared to come under pressure for speaking out against the industry. Other analysts face potential conflicts of interest, she says, where their firms raise capital for the coal seam gas companies.

The state and federal governments are focused on the revenue from the four CSG-to-LNG projects, she says.

In rough figures, she calculates each project will earn $6 billion to $9 billion in revenue a year, generating taxes of $1 billion and royalties of $100 million a year.

With production from the four projects expected to start in 2015-16, the proponents are racing to drill wells, build infrastructure and sell gas to offshore customers in a competitive global market. Royle says the rates of return are low because the gas fields were ''dry'' and do not produce condensate.

"This is a very large investment that needs to be fed,'' she says. ''Once they get going they're very cash-rich but they need to march on, to feed the LNG manufacturing plants. The industry will just roll over the country. It's too late to stop them now, in my view.

''Australian voters should know they will be carrying the can."

Industry and government failure to conduct regional and predictive aquifer modelling led Royle to "coin a new phrase for Australia: omission corruption". State governments were so enamoured with projected revenue "they cannot regulate efficiently. They have failed from the outset. They are trying to run behind the ambulance but they will not be able to catch it''.

While a massive coal seam gas expansion has already been approved in Queensland, the industry is still ramping up in NSW, and there are fears that environmental concerns could again take second priority in the rush to develop gas reserves.

Earlier this week, two University of Sydney professors told a NSW parliamentary inquiry into coal seam gas exploration that the government should require mining companies to put up high dollar-value, long-term (50 years minimum) bonds or guarantees to guard against risks to groundwater.

''Groundwater is extremely slow moving, can be very deep underground and is often under pressure,'' wrote professors Willem Vervoort and Floris van Ogtrop, from the university's hydrology research laboratory. ''There is increasing understanding that impacts on groundwater take a long time to become evident.''

On Wednesday the NSW Energy Minister, Chris Hartcher, said the expansion in Queensland had been ''ill-conceived'', and NSW would learn from the mistakes of its northern neighbour.

Royle remains sceptical, saying NSW Water Resources Commission staff had been told to stay silent on coal seam gas. A spokesman for the Office of Environment and Heritage did not comment.
 

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David Codey (61)
APPEA's chief operating officer, Rick Wilkinson, says the study was not intended to be the final study on coal seam gas water impacts but was another step to improve understanding of the regional impacts of coal seam gas extraction.

So APPEA's COO is basically admitting they don't know the full extent of the possible damage and yet the Qld State government lets them roll along on their merry way?

Bligh and Beattie have a lot to answer for. Firstly allowing infrastructure investment to lag behind, and then spending everything at once so they now have to sell off assets and sell their souls to get back on track.
 

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
So APPEA's COO is basically admitting they don't know the full extent of the possible damage and yet the Qld State government lets them roll along on their merry way?

Bligh and Beattie have a lot to answer for. Firstly allowing infrastructure investment to lag behind, and then spending everything at once so they now have to sell off assets and sell their souls to get back on track.

Agreed Scotty. And all with the implicit blessing of successive federal governments. Having done a bit of research on this, I suspect we'll be lamenting this for years to come.
 

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David Codey (61)
Looks like a positive development on this front yesterday when Oakeshott and Windsor won mining tax concessions to apply greater environmental testing to potential coal seam gas operations.

Of the $200 million in concessions won by Mr Windsor and Mr Oakeshott, $150 million will be used to establish an independent scientific body to provide advice on the impact on water of coal seam gas and other mining projects.
Next year, the states will be asked to sign an agreement with the Commonwealth requiring both parties to heed the advice of this body before approving new projects.
There will be $50 million in incentives for the states to sign up. If they refuse, the government will amend federal environmental law to ensure the impact on water must be factored in before the Commonwealth grants approval.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/labor-set-to-clinch-mining-tax-20111121-1nr0i.html#ixzz1eNpA0WGE
 

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Chris McKivat (8)
Shows the benefits of independents in Parliament. Even if the main parties agreed with this measure, they likely wouldnt have had the guts to implement it in fear of losing financial backing from the energy companies.
 

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Bill McLean (32)
SSRC sure look credible. And they write so well. Obviously educated and savvy individuals. I must add them to my subscribed links and favourites immediately. No really, good online entertainment is so hard to find in the YouTube generation with so many talentless hacks competing for their 15 minutes of fame.

As for CSG and UCG - it's potentially important technology but it's risks need to be fully understood and the industry tightly regulated before the law of unintended consequences comes into play and we find that we have destroyed a far more important resource letting some very rich and powerful Corporations boost their share price and executive bonuses.
 

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David Codey (61)
It is a good source of information, however I have recently found out that it may be factually incorrect in multiple places, particularly regarding the quantities of water and salt produced. APPEA has referred the errors to the managing director of the ABC for investigation. ABC has also removed a section that claimed Origins CSG emissions would be ten times higher than what they actually would be.
 

Karl

Bill McLean (32)
I think its pretty clear that:

1. CSG is exploding in terms of wells being drilled and intensity of activity
2. The process they use, particularly the fraccing, is doing some serious geological stuff, deep underground
3. This aforesaid stuff is often happening near underground water sources, aquifers etc
4. No-one is really sure what impact it is having but what we do know isn't exactly good
5. Despite this, nothing substantive is being done to make sure CSG isn't our next enviromental disaster.

When you break it down, it seems really simple. Moratorium on new wells, set time frame for serious r and d on environmental impacts, report done by someone trustworthy and uncorrupted, formulate and pass legislation to regulate the industry properly and ensure resposnible practices and remediation.
 

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David Codey (61)
While I agree that we need more research, and more surety on this subject, I also believe that some of the environmental disaster talk is being blown way out of proportion.

My understanding is that the water sources, such as the great artesian basin are at a depth of around 100m, while most of the coal seams we are talking about are 500-1000m deep.

The processing of the waste water (reverse osmosis) provides two products - basically pure water, and super salty waste water. The salty stuff is pumped into pools to evapourate and you end up with the salt (not sure what is done with this - apparently there may be some industrial uses for it). The pure stuff is so pure they have to actually add nutrients into it to be of any use (to say farmers).

The government should require the companies involved to prove the whole process before they continue further, including all waste disposal options, but I don't think it helps when journos (particularly ABC ones) intentionally exaggerate the environmental concerns.
 

Karl

Bill McLean (32)
One of the big questions over it is whether the fraccing can damage the geology supporting the underground artesian water and the rocks around aquifers etc. And the coal seams they are after are on average 600 meters deep, with the water up to 300 meters deep. Plus the drill hole for the csg goes right through water table, basin etc.

I'm sure some of the environmental stuff is being exaggerated, but I am equally sure that the CSG companies are pulling a Big Tobacco style "Its all perfectly safe" routine on us as well. Plus there is a lot we just don't know, and we need to know it. I think we SHOULD extract CSG, but we need to make sure we know how to do it without wrecking our underground water supplies - that would be monumentally stupid and only an apocalyptic dingleberry would risk it.
 

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David Codey (61)
A senate committee called for a cease to new projects yesterday until independant and Qld government research was finalised.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
Also a trust fund was mentioned to pay for the remediation of damaged caused by the CSG industry. I would like to know how you remediate an aquifer if it has been contaminated or perhaps worse still it collapses.

My family has a long history in the mining industry and I can say it doesn't have a good record with regard to the environmental or even OH&S standards. The industry has done nothing to warrant trust from the community and has essential bought itself a licence to do as it pleases because of the huge sums it will pay to its workers, shareholders and governments whilst crushing any and all who get in the way.
 

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I don't have the links handy, but Santos is being blamed, and denying, for leaks at a CSG facility poisoning trees in the Pilliga scrub near Narrabri. This isn't going to go away.
 

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Bill McLean (32)
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...nated-water-near-gas-site-20111208-1oldj.html has a story on water contamination at that site.


Water samples gathered by environment groups Friends of the Earth and The Wilderness Society were tested by East West EnviroAg, an independent laboratory in Tamworth that services agricultural and mining clients.
It found samples from Bohena Creek, near a coal seam gas well discharge pipe, contained ammonia at three times the safe level recommended by drinking water guidelines. Upstream samples were uncontaminated.

More here, but the source isn't exactly unbiased. http://www.kateausburn.com/2011/12/14/first-known-case-of-csg-contaminating-water-in-nsw/

Here is the one that talks about dying trees - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-02/greens-claim-csg-mine-poisoning-trees/3755362 --Looks like the claims of a local resident and probably without merit in this particular case, unless the Department of Primary Industries is part of a coverup and in league with Santos and Santos spokesman Sam Crafter.


I have no doubt that using all of these chemicals to hydraulically fracture underground rock strata (or even just using water to do the fraccing) is putting underground water supplies at risk. Mining companies have a long history of screwing things up, either through a strong ability to ignore things that don't suit them and justify anything that does, overconfidence in their own abilities to manage the impacts of their operations, negligence (from benign to criminal) or outright malfeasance. Its a pretty rough and ready industry and the blokes in charge at an operational and corporate level aren't exactly philanthropists. Big dollars like those in Mining, massive revenues and huge costs - it's very corrupting of reasoned and measured approaches.

I did a bit of geology at Uni (couple subjects) and topped Earth Science at School - which I recognize hardly makes me an expert - and based on that limited and out of date knowledge, I would still take a bit of convincing that these mining guys really know what exact impact this fraccing is having down there, how extensive the repercussions are, or how connected and interdependent a lot of these water supporting geologic structures really are. Anyone from their side who says "Don't worry, we have done studies and it's perfectly safe" is lying through their teeth. And saying you meet "government requirements" is an empty platitude when you look at the woefully fragmented and inadequate regulation of this industry at the moment.
 
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