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Waratahs 2012

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waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
In fact, I would say that the Waratahs deserve to be in the finals over the Brumbies, who clearly don't deserve their spot in the top 6...

Seriously slim, come up with something to ad before typing. No one is denying the brumbies anything, I'm just saying that the Tahs are much closer to winning games than you would believe if you only read the papers or were born simple.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
I should have given you credit, Jnor, for correcting my appalling attempt at constructing a sentence in Italian.
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I wasn't worried about attribution - just wondering where I'd seen it (I think it was in one of many Robbie Deans threads?)
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
That's a lie, they were leading with not much to go against the Reds, Highlanders, Force, Bulls, Cheetahs and now Brumbies.

Older members might remember the Lil' Abner comic strip set in the town of Dogpatch. Its most famous son, memorialized by a statue, was Civil War General Jubilation T. Cornpone, remembered for the battles: "Cornpone's Retreat," "Cornpone's Disaster" and "Cornpone's Humiliation". He inspired the rousing and memorable song in the popular "Lil' Abner: The Musical", which included lines such as:

"When we almost had 'em but the issue still was in doubt,
Who suggested the retreat that turned it into a rout?
Why it was Jubilation T. Cornpone;
Old "Tattered and torn - pone."
Jubilation T. Cornpone, he kept us hidin' out!"

His spiritual descendants live on at Driver Avenue.
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wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Watched the game last night. Apart from the obvious fact that starting a totally new halves combination was never going to go smoothly, and didn't, I thought the Tahs looked pretty good.

Chris Alcock is not going to give up his starting spot without a big fight, good on him.

Unless the Bunglies can fix their scrum in a hurry, they will have a very short stay in the finals.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...fore-ball-kicked/story-fn8ti7yn-1226424878077

A PLAYER-led campaign to ease pre-season training ruined the Waratahs' season before it began.
A small number of senior players fought to lighten the load of training before this season, believing it would serve the team well at the back end of a long year.
Michael Foley, in his first year as head coach, failed to overrule them.

The points differential overall in quarters one, two and three is +7, 0 and +2 respectively. In the last quarter, the differential is -54.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Doubt it was Robinson being that he was going through rehab still.

Sounds like it was the wallaby guys on the EOYT. Foley was quoted already saying they needed better medical advice dealing with the schedule, sounds like the players used the extra matches to push for more time off.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
''We're there til the finish, and I think the organisation supported me to stay on. I'm very keen to stay on and I think it's pretty much about deciding what's the best thing for the team.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...gainst-reds-20120712-21yz9.html#ixzz20QEaNaw8

Interesting from Foley, after saying he is coach next year, suddenly he only thinks the organisation supports him. He is keen to stay on and it about what's best or the team. So is he staying on or not?
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Yep I think it would be the Wallabies, seeing as the new scheduling impacted them the most

We could just blame it all on Elsom
 
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kiap

Steve Williams (59)
Yeah, seems like a bit of intrigue there, WJ.

''At this stage, I'm here next year … it's been a difficult year for everybody. I think for me to be talking about walking, or not being with the team now, would be, as far as I'm concerned, a cop out,'' he said.

Asked what he meant by ''at this stage'', Foley said the board had endorsed his plan for next season but he felt uncomfortable talking about his future when the futures of some players were not finalised. He finally clarified: ''I'll be clear … if there was any confusion … I'll be here next year.''

Maybe he'll be there next year but as an assistant coach?

 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
At least the Tahs care about their fans enough that they seem to be planning on filling in the off season with news and excitement.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Blimminel. The evidence mounts up.

Wonder who the player-power ringleaders were? ... Robinson, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)... ?

This revelation reflects extremely poorly on the ARU, if the Wallabies players were the ones who talked Tahs management into it.
The ARU are the only ones who can control the total amount and nature of conditioning any given Wallaby is required to undertake simply because once the players step up to wallaby control the provinces have no opportunity to influence training.
As such I would have expected tight, complete communication between the ARU and the provinces as to what each player from the EOYT required by way of S&C pre 2013 season. And I cannot really understand how a one size fits all approach to that issue could ever work given utterly different workloads across 2012 and even within the EOYT.
Surely, in a federation, the ARU should be overseeing, if not specifically directing, the provinces in relation to the specific requirements of each player so that if or when anyone of them gets picked for the Wallabies his underlying conditioning is a known quantity? There is no time once picked to overcome the effects of a provincial season.


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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Numbers add up for Waratahs' down state

July 13, 2012





Paul Cully


It is almost over for the Waratahs. Eighty more minutes of a desperate season that might yet contain one final twist of the knife at the hands of traditional rivals who have something positive to play for.
Waratahs fans have already made their own conclusions about their side's failings: a lack of physicality at the contact area and a laboured attack feature heavily among the complaints. Various mitigating circumstances have been offered by the organisation in its defence, some more convincing than others.
But with one game to go in the regular season, do the grumbles of the disenchanted stack up?
Let's take a closer look at the statistics, starting with the most important facet of the modern game, the breakdown. And the Waratahs are at the wrong end of the Super Rugby table on almost every key indicator of breakdown clout.
In possession, they average 4.1 lost ruck or mauls per game this season, the second highest in the competition. They concede a turnover in the ruck every four minutes and 57 seconds - that's the worst record in Super Rugby.
But what about when the opposition has the pill? It's a similar story. On average, the Waratahs effect 2.4 ruck/maul steals per game, ranking them the second-least proficient outfit in this area. It takes the Waratahs nine minutes and 52 seconds per steal, which is a full three minutes greater than the average.
To compound the problem, Michael Foley's side are conceding an average of 6.7 penalties at the ruck/maul, the second highest number this year, which also raises questions about accuracy and discipline.
Little wonder then that NSW's record against the Kiwi sides - who pour so much intensity into the breakdown - is a miserable 0-4 this year. The Tahs came into this season with a reputation of having a handy pack, but that view might have been out of date in opposition changing rooms.
It suggests - strongly - that the Waratahs have been passive in supporting the ball carrier and cleaning out their targets. The amount of slow or stationery ball they have produced this year backs that up. The sight of big men with low numbers loitering without any great intent has been no mirage. Punters are no mugs when they bemoan the lack of dynamism.
Dave Dennis, on his two ''dicky knees'' no less, will end the campaign with his head held high. Others have been up and down. Given their woes at the breakdown, it follows that the Waratahs' statistics on both attack and defence suffer. The sky blue wall of strong Waratahs teams in the past is no more. NSW concede 2.5 tries per game, the sixth leakiest defence in Super Rugby.
The attack throws up a few surprises. The Waratahs run the ball 14.5 per cent of the time from five-eighth, which is a relative sign of adventure given their reputation. The Reds - deprived of their pilot Quade Cooper for much of the year - are at 11.1 per cent. NSW make 25.1 tactical kicks per game, lower than the average.
In fact, they are one of the teams that other sides apparently favour kicking to. They receive a kick every 37 seconds - only two sides are kicked to more - which might be an indication that oppositions fear little from their counterattack.
The Waratahs enjoy 52.1 per cent of possession but don't know what to do with it. They are second in the table of teams who complete more than 10 phases, but that is a sign of impotency rather than control. These days most tries - with lineout and scrums often the source - come within four phases.
It is not all bad news. To give as complete a picture as possible, the positives have to be included, too. Despite his suspect lineout throwing (the Tahs have the highest number of not-straight calls), Tatafu Polota-Nau is part of a rock-solid scrum. They concede fewer penalties in the set-piece than any other side.
It is one building block the Waratahs can use when they start planning for next year. But when the breakdown stats show they have been beaten in the collision, and for urgency, the size of that task becomes clear. The Waratahs, this year, have not worked.
Statistics provided by ruckingoodstats.com
 
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What2040

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At least the Tahs care about their fans enough that they seem to be planning on filling in the off season with news and excitement.

Tahs might want to buy a Jumping Castle (to provide the excitment) not much else down there (unfortunately)
 

Brumby Jack

Steve Williams (59)
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There is a report in today's Daily Telegraph (No online link as yet) that Bruce will have a field day over.

The report says that players wanted a less grueling pre-season and thought that by doing so they would be fitter and less fatigued come the the end of the season. It then goes on to say that Michael Foley agreed with this suggestion.

Compare this to the Brumbies who basically got flogged since July last year.

EDIT: Fox Sports has the story here
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
Fitness is obviously part of it but I don’t think new should lose sight of the impact of on field leadership deficiencies in us regularly losing the last quarter.
 
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