NSW AAGPS Rugby 2013

[George Smith]

Yep, good point SydneyBra. My mistake as he loooooks older. I shall remove his name for 2013 but still reckon he has a chance in Year 10 using Andrew Kellaway and Angus Crichton as examples at Scots.

 

[10to12]

You are really, should we way, single minded if you think Luke Lough will play opens next year. He will bee 15!! Only reason that he is dominant in the ISA comp is because he developed much before everyone else and plays against not so top-notch opponents as GPS or CAS. Also 13 year old Tyrone Taukamo destroyed him in a club game in every aspect. Also he is not in the 15s NSW this year, he is 14 and trialled for Gordon 15s and didnt make it

For the records. Luke is under14s this year. He plays up in the Auggies 15a, where he is very dominant and not that big.
The Auggies 15a have beaten all the GPS teams they have played over the years.
He has never played against Tyrone.
He has not trialled for the older Gordon (15) rep team.
He did not trial For the (15) age group city or NSW teams.
Wont be playing opens next year because the Auggies backline are mostly year eleven so will be back.
Just run 11.7 ( no training) for the 100.
Just for your records

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ Looks like the mail on Lough x 2 to Scots for 2013 with both boys in 1st XV (Opens) is wrong.

 

[tom morris]

whos coming back from riverview?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The only angle on 2013 for grammar concerns the level at which they play. Primetime has said in the GPS 2012 thread that the loss to Scots may signal the end of Grammar playing other schools firsts.
Parents and friends of this years 16As rate them.
Should/will the SGS 1st XV play the other schools 1st XVs?


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[GPS1986]

The only angle on 2013 for grammar concerns the level at which they play. Primetime has said in the GPS 2012 thread that the loss to Scots may signal the end of Grammar playing other schools firsts.
Parents and friends of this years 16As rate them.
Should/will the SGS 1st XV play the other schools 1st XVs?


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I've heard grammar may play 2nds as a result of losing to the TAS 1st XV, although any confirmation/denial of this would be great.
In terms of whether I think the 1sts should play 1sts, I'm not sure. They would be more competitive in the 2nds, but with a strong 16s side, and some improvements throughout the season (in my opinion), as well as the younger guys within the current 1sts showing a decent level, is it worth keeping them up there?
Your thoughts?

 

[Sydneybra]

I've heard grammar may play 2nds as a result of losing to the TAS 1st XV, although any confirmation/denial of this would be great.
In terms of whether I think the 1sts should play 1sts, I'm not sure. They would be more competitive in the 2nds, but with a strong 16s side, and some improvements throughout the season (in my opinion), as well as the younger guys within the current 1sts showing a decent level, is it worth keeping them up there?
Your thoughts?

We can all go on about how good the 16A's are this year, and no doubt they have improved, but lets be realistic. They are only going this well because of the large amount of numbers of 16 year old boys in 1sts XV's at other schools. Imagine if 16's couldn't play opens, the 16's teams would be a lot better than they are now and I can't see this Grammar team competing against these sides next year and the year after.

 

[GPS1986]

We can all go on about how good the 16A's are this year, and no doubt they have improved, but lets be realistic. They are only going this well because of the large amount of numbers of 16 year old boys in 1sts XV's at other schools. Imagine if 16's couldn't play opens, the 16's teams would be a lot better than they are now and I can't see this Grammar team competing against these sides next year and the year after.

Very valid point.

 

[rugbyscribe]

There must be some concerns at Iggies for 2013 in view of the lowly positions that their 1sts, 2nds, 3rds and 16As are in this season.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

While they have plenty of bursaries for the disadvantaged in accordance with Jesuit teachings, View does not offer Athletic Scholarships, prefering to work with and develop the cattle that they have.

They may not be getting the victories in the GPS competition, the strength of their programme is witnessed in the large number of schoolboy representative players that they continue to produce. 2014 seems to be shaping up as a bit of a vintage year for them. Late developers at other schools may influence that over the next season.

 

[rugbyscribe]

While they have plenty of bursaries for the disadvantaged in accordance with Jesuit teachings, View does not offer Athletic Scholarships, prefering to work with and develop the cattle that they have.

They may not be getting the victories in the GPS competition, the strength of their programme is witnessed in the large number of schoolboy representative players that they continue to produce. 2014 seems to be shaping up as a bit of a vintage year for them. Late developers at other schools may influence that over the next season.

I read the below post yesterday and found it quite insightful.

An interesting article that all should read - http://www.riverview.nsw.edu.au/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=14&Itemid=705

Just have a couple of queries:

1. "At one time, the Association of Heads of Independent Schools (of which Riverview is a member) had an agreement that sporting scholarships would not be offered. But in recent years (sadly, to the delight of many) the arrangement was struck down as contravening the Restrictive Trade Practices Act."

I haven't come across this explanation before about the reason why GPS schools offer sporting scholarships - it doesn't state however whether the restriction referred to is in relation to the schools conducting their education business or the players themselves - I can't see that it applies to the players as they are not offering their services for hire?

2."At Riverview, people are valued. They are not commodities to be traded. Here, loyalties grow year by year. We call it home-grown talent. Flashing a fistful of dollars to change your colours and your commitment is not our way. Allegiances are not for sale. We make that point very clearly now in our printed Rugby and Football programmes each week both here and at St Aloysius’ College. At Aloys’ they put the year of a boy’s enrolment at the College next to his name to show they do not deal in recent imports. We do the same here, indicating the teams a boy has worked his way through over the years in reaching the Firsts."

Looking at last week's Riverview Firsts team from their programme I note the following: (with boys names omitted)

No 3 - played in the 2nd XV last year but no rugby prior at View
No 4 - did not play rugby at View prior to this year
No 9- - played in the 16As last year but no rugby prior at View
No 10 - played in the 1st XV last year but no rugby prior at View
No 13 - played in the 2nd XV last year and the U15A the year before but no rugby prior at View.

That's 5 out of 15 or 1/3 of the First XV . I don't suggest that these players are on scholarships of any type - but they are all either recent arrivals at Riverview or perhaps they were there but playing soccer prior to their rugby conversion?

 

[Brian Westlake]

I read the below post yesterday and found it quite insightful.

Yes,
an interesting call from CTPE from what I have read. EVERYBODY but TKS do scholarships and freight in. Deflect from TKS and have everyone else guessing. I need a new partner at Bridge CTPE, are you interested.

 

[G&GR News Bot]

It was an excellent expression of attacking schoolboy rugby, with the lead changing throughout the match for Newington to finish the victors 27-24. The Scoring Shore pressured the 1st lineout of the match, with (7) Woodhill stealing the pill and barging over after juggling the ball.Shore 7-0 after 4 minutes. Then the sides shared possession until

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[CTPE]

Yes,
an interesting call from CTPE from what I have read. EVERYBODY but TKS do scholarships and freight in. Deflect from TKS and have everyone else guessing. I need a new partner at Bridge CTPE, are you interested.

Oh Brian, such a shallow interpretation of it all. I must say that the “deflecting from TKS” never entered my mind. Quite frankly the opportunity arose to examine what seemed to me to be a “holier than thou” commentary on the issue and I found it simply irresistible!

 

[Sydneybra]

2013 DREAM TEAM at New to be out-right champions

Starting XV

1. Tepai Morea- Makes is much awaited move to prop, the position which he plays in league (very similar)
2. Lachlan Osmond- Very heavily built, great body shape for a hooker IMO
3. Lachlan Anderson- Seen a big step up from him this year, I personally believe he has he potential to go a far way in the future in this position (watch this space)
4. George Lucas- Hearing great raps from him at the top level, amazing player
5. Luke Strong- Big Boy future star''
6. Tim Lee- Power and aggression to make big hits and stay strong in collision, also good over the ball
7. David Morris- Future Pocock
8. Lachlan Cannel- Keen to see his development, potential Aus schoolboy next year
9. Joey Lussick- No brainer
10. Guy Beever- Returning on pathways, has a great rugby brain, directs play well
11. George Prassas- Looks to have the natural body shape of a 6 but is actually a winger in disguise
12. Taane Milne- No brainer
13. Tyrone Taukamo- Makes his much anticipated move to 1st XV
14. Oscar Pople- Pace to burn
15. Ed Pollitt- The speed on this kid is unbelievable and I think he can play at fullback excellently, also his cover tackles this year have been out of this world for the 16A's

 

[Inside Shoulder]

2013 DREAM TEAM at New to be out-right champions

Starting XV

1. Tepai Morea- Makes is much awaited move to prop, the position which he plays in league (very similar)
2. Lachlan Osmond- Very heavily built, great body shape for a hooker IMO
3. Lachlan Anderson- Seen a big step up from him this year, I personally believe he has he potential to go a far way in the future in this position (watch this space)
4. George Lucas- Hearing great raps from him at the top level, amazing player
5. Luke Strong- Big Boy future star''
6. Tim Lee- Power and aggression to make big hits and stay strong in collision, also good over the ball
7. David Morris- Future Pocock
8. Lachlan Cannel- Keen to see his development, potential Aus schoolboy next year
9. Joey Lussick- No brainer
10. Guy Beever- Returning on pathways, has a great rugby brain, directs play well
11. George Prassas- Looks to have the natural body shape of a 6 but is actually a winger in disguise
12. Taane Milne- No brainer
13. Tyrone Taukamo- Makes his much anticipated move to 1st XV
14. Oscar Pople- Pace to burn
15. Ed Pollitt- The speed on this kid is unbelievable and I think he can play at fullback excellently, also his cover tackles this year have been out of this world for the 16A's

Vassilis?


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[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ Might have missed out on a slot to accommodate the 14 yo #13. ARU Two year rule anyone?

 

[G&GR News Bot]

Joeys 29 Kings 8 Both teams were determined to finish the season off strongly after some indifferent performances, but it was the visiting Joeys team that played as though they wanted it more. They stepped up and played their best rugby of the year in the 2nd half and their 5 tries to 1 victory

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[Sydneybra]

This is the Dream Team. You don't question it.

 

[George Smith]

While they have plenty of bursaries for the disadvantaged in accordance with Jesuit teachings, View does not offer Athletic Scholarships, prefering to work with and develop the cattle that they have.

They may not be getting the victories in the GPS competition, the strength of their programme is witnessed in the large number of schoolboy representative players that they continue to produce. 2014 seems to be shaping up as a bit of a vintage year for them. Late developers at other schools may influence that over the next season.

I sometimes think the selectors with the requirement to select squads before the GPS season starts get caught up with the hype around the fancied schools at the start of the season (eg. View and Kings in 2012) and dont properly look at the other schools' players.

Now that the season is all but one over I wonder what the GPS 1st XV would look like? Also, how many players (without nominating names) would each school get in the GPS 1,2,3s (ie top 45)?