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2015 Schools Rowing

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fpiglet

Darby Loudon (17)
So KT made the bizarro decision to enter coxed quad scull; continuing a weird kind of synchronicity with the cerise and blue who have also split some seniors and put them in a quad. Is it just a coincidence or is it an overwhelming impulse to crush the crew he once coached?
I think there's still a little hangover that some of the boys want to get onto rugby and some parents aren't that thrilled with the Nationals. Consequently coaches want to give younger boys a bit of blooding at a higher level. With Scots I think a couple of first eighters rowed in a SRC IV with the view for Juniors rather than Nats. So the Nats becomes a bit of horses for courses event where boys are trialled in different ways.
 

fpiglet

Darby Loudon (17)
I have it on unimpeachable authority from a club rowing source that beer tankards were indeed recently handed over to the winning GPS School 3rd Eight crew from SRC regatta. So, fpiglet, turns out you and I are not the only ones who dispute the legitimacy of the "3rd eight" imposters.
We're fighting the good fight for the 3rd VIII!
 

behindtheshed

Billy Sheehan (19)
I think there's still a little hangover that some of the boys want to get onto rugby and some parents aren't that thrilled with the Nationals. Consequently coaches want to give younger boys a bit of blooding at a higher level. With Scots I think a couple of first eighters rowed in a SRC IV with the view for Juniors rather than Nats. So the Nats becomes a bit of horses for courses event where boys are trialled in different ways.

Yeah I get that point but why a quad not a four? Unless they do row for club, the last time they were in a quad was March of Year 9.


As far as the added time commitment, I would have thought the opportunity to earn bonus atar points would be attractive to parents of Year 12 students. And some schools have very few entries. Why not "blood" the Year 10s and 11s rather than only entering your top crew?
 

behindtheshed

Billy Sheehan (19)
Here is what Foxtel promises:
 

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behindtheshed

Billy Sheehan (19)
and while I am screenshotting, let the record show that Queenwood just won the U17 coxed eight, with Kinross 3rd. So no BS next season from these schools, please. They clearly have eight to put in a boat, and have obviously put in the training required to place at Nationals. Enter these crews in senior eights for a full season, stop playing games or pretending a lack of rowers/lack of resources and give them proper competitive experience.
 

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behindtheshed

Billy Sheehan (19)
Well, that belongs in the OMG files, under the heading "Holy Crap!!!"

Good on Nudgee for shaking it up. What a gutsy row.

Shore did what they've done all season, took it out too hard and faded.

Joeys did what they've done all season, settled in and then burst through; but this time they had opposition who were on to them and they probably regret allowing Nudgee such a big opening margin.

As for Scotch: well, even invincibles have their moments of stupidity and failure. The sight of that cox with his hand up in forlorn hopes of the race restarting will stay with me......as will the glorious sight of the Nudgee coxswain throwing himself into the arms of the stroke after the win.

That's what rowing is all about.
 

fpiglet

Darby Loudon (17)
That was amazing.... The way Scotch just stopped collectively was spectacular. Looks like the 7 man came off his seat or out of the stretcher. Nudgee were the ones foxing this time. They won their HOTR by clear water and with Bakker in the six seat (who everyone will know about in a year or two if not already) they were always a contender. Coming through the repecharge and winning was great for Nudgee. My money is they'll go to Junior trials and try and go as an VIII. Four crews under 6 mins and a pretty fast time alround.
 

fpiglet

Darby Loudon (17)
As far as the added time commitment, I would have thought the opportunity to earn bonus atar points would be attractive to parents of Year 12 students. And some schools have very few entries. Why not "blood" the Year 10s and 11s rather than only entering your top crew?
I think if they just compete at Nationals (don't have to win) they still get their 5 points if required for entry to a Uni with a rowing programme. GPS schools just don't put the emphasis on it as other states. It's a shame but QLD and VIC are more onto it.
 

behindtheshed

Billy Sheehan (19)
You are right, and I think that may have been a recent change. I have seen crews in the past who were desperate to get on the podium so that Year 12s in the boat could get bonus points.

Being able to prove elite performance/national ranking seems to be the key.

Macquarie has very specific criteria outlined on website: membership of national team, or national ranking. Up to 4 points.

Sydney is vaguer on what level you should be at but offers up to 5 points. Their list is geared more towards which specific courses will give bonus points and which won't.

UTS does not go into detail but I know they arrange individual programs and offer bonus points to elite athletes.

UNSW has a table which outlines every conceivable possibility for a bonus point. Even the kids who do the STAP program get a bonus point. Up to 5 points for some.
 

Major Rennie

Herbert Moran (7)
Good to see a new winner on Sunday. Cannot believe what happened to Scotch as were favourites with Joeys.
The Under 17 race shows some very good rowers in 2016 and 2017. Thought Shore would be the goods and came third.

May the winter sports end and lads back on the water fighting for supremacy.

MR
 

Armstrong

Stan Wickham (3)
Apparently Nudgee did a 5:40 or 5:42 at their 2015 HOR......


As far as bonus points go, they are not a given, I have been told by someone who had a son in National Hockey team, at the universities that offer them, you apply for them and you may get up to 5 points, for a student to apply for them at State representation NSW it is a 1,2,3 podium, for Nationals it is top Ten entrants that can apply. A lot of kids don't even know about it...
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
As far as bonus points go, they are not a given, I have been told by someone who had a son in National Hockey team, at the universities that offer them, you apply for them and you may get up to 5 points, for a student to apply for them at State representation NSW it is a 1,2,3 podium, for Nationals it is top Ten entrants that can apply. A lot of kids don't even know about it.

some of the Unis are going to the events from which points can be claimed to wise up the participants as to their availability.
There is no necessity that the student play the sport for which they got the points with the uni - assuming the uni offers the relevant sport, from what I was told.
 

Armstrong

Stan Wickham (3)
some of the Unis are going to the events from which points can be claimed to wise up the participants as to their availability.
There is no necessity that the student play the sport for which they got the points with the uni - assuming the uni offers the relevant sport, from what I was told.



Correct, they may get the points for their course when they apply, they do not need to participate in that sport at that institution...
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Correct, they may get the points for their course when they apply, they do not need to participate in that sport at that institution.

which makes it more interesting to see the marketing they are doing to get the sportsmen to attend their uni: it would be easier to understand if there was a requirement that they row/bowl/bat/scrum for the uni
 

bow seat

Frank Nicholson (4)
which makes it more interesting to see the marketing they are doing to get the sportsmen to attend their uni: it would be easier to understand if there was a requirement that they row/bowl/bat/scrum for the uni
IS I can say first hand that the "bonus" ATAR points are given not to force athletes to compete in that particular sport for the university, but more so are an acknowledgment of the time put into a respective sport and not on studying. Hence the idea being if you didn't do that particular sport you would've received a better ATAR.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
IS I can say first hand that the "bonus" ATAR points are given not to force athletes to compete in that particular sport for the university, but more so are an acknowledgment of the time put into a respective sport and not on studying. Hence the idea being if you didn't do that particular sport you would've received a better ATAR.

I know (first hand but not for rowing) - but why the marketing if you're not going to get them to play for you????
to the extent of sending talent identification people to events
 
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