Rio Olympics

[Melbourne Terrace]

I didn't think they'd have to relinquish their British citizenship and that the treaty signed in 1998 enabled people to have both. Olympic eligibility isn't that strict, I think you just have to have citizenship for the nation you represent. So either way, people from Northern Ireland would be able to decide which nation they want to represent.

But yeah I agree there are anomalies and think it'd be better if GB participated in Sevens every year instead of England, Scotland and Wales.

Yeah nah, no one in Scotland and Wales wants to support a GB team.

 

[Jagman]

And what about the Rugby Championship 2016 and the Bledisloe Cup 2016?

The ARU have said that the sevens team is the main priority ahead of the Wallabies in 2016.


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[D-Box]

Men's Running Qualification (Round 7 - Japan)

Host - Brazil

1st WS South Africa (129 points)
2nd WS Fiji (125 points)
3rd WS New Zealand (120 points)
4th WS England (GB) (100 points)

(Next three teams are Australia (91 points) and the USA (71))

Regional Qualifiers (Tournaments to be held 2nd half 2015 but I will assume the they will go the way of the World Rugby Series rankings)
Africa Kenya
Asia Japan
Europe France
North America USA
Oceania Australia
South America Argentina

Final Qualification tournament (assume the next best team gets this)

Lucky bastards Samoa (Final v Portugal/Canada)

Regular Tournament Series Points are
22 Cup champs
19 2nd
17 3rd
15 4th
13 Plate Champs
12 Plate RU
10 7th & 8th
8 Bowl Champs
7 Bowl RU
5 11th & 12th
3 13th
2 14th
1 15th &16th

Max Points Available 44

 

[Marcelo]

The ARU have said that the sevens team is the main priority ahead of the Wallabies in 2016.


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Really?? When?? Then I'm going to become League supporter. Sevens should not be the main priority IMHO

 

[Strewthcobber]

The ARU have said that the sevens team is the main priority ahead of the Wallabies in 2016.


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Did they forgot to tell the super rugby teams who've said that anyone who players 7s in 2016 will be putting their 2017 super contracts at risk?

 

[Jagman]

Did they forgot to tell the super rugby teams who've said that anyone who players 7s in 2016 will be putting their 2017 super contracts at risk?

That's exactly why the Super Rugby teams have come out and said that. Since when do they fall in line with the ARU?


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[Quick Hands]

Doesn't the top down system in Australia mean that the ARU has the right to pick whoever they like to represent Australia?

Why would a super franchise refuse to sign a high quality player for 2017 for the sole reason that they played 7s in the Olympics?

IMO certain super players need to be rotated through the 7s squad at various tournaments in 2016 as part of the Olympic selection process. This means that they might be unavailable for a couple of super games.

To suggest that we wouldn't pick the best available rugby players for the Olympics borders on the absurd. The Olympics is a big deal, it's actually bigger than TRC and Bledisloe put together.

 

[Quick Hands]

Yeah nah, no one in Scotland and Wales wants to support a GB team.

Although it would appear that 55% of Scots are quite happy being part of GB.

And it would appear that the Welsh are even less enthusiastic to leave mother England.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/24/3-per-cent-back-welsh-independence

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^^^^^^^^^^^ the Welsh have had an extra 67 years of servitude (1536 v 1603)

I forgot to point out yesterday that of your proposed Super Rugby players who should be considered for Rio, you'll have to forget Quade as he doesn't have an Australian passport & I'm fairly sure it would take an Act of Federal Parliament just to allow Scott Morrison the option of putting Cooper on the Bulgarian weightlifter/ Russian high jumper (or was she a sprinter?) fast track..................

 

[Quick Hands]

^^^^^^^^^^^ the Welsh have had an extra 67 years of servitude (1536 v 1603)

I forgot to point out yesterday that of your proposed Super Rugby players who should be considered for Rio, you'll have to forget Quade as he doesn't have an Australian passport & I'm fairly sure it would take an Act of Federal Parliament just to allow Scott Morrison the option of putting Cooper on the Bulgarian weightlifter/ Russian high jumper (or was she a sprinter?) fast track......

Although it could be argued that Welsh independence ended in 1283.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/themes/guide/ch8_part2_end_of_welsh_independence.shtml

Not sure it would be that difficult for Quade to become true blue. He's been a permanent resident for some time. He could probably apply and get it fairly quickly I'd imagine without any strings being pulled.

As an aside New Zealand immigrants are the least likely to obtain Australian citizenship - in most cases there's simply no need to do so as they have pretty much the same rights as Australian citizens in most things (and not all the obligations).

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^^^^^^^ yeah, nah, bro:

www.citizenship.gov.au/applying/how_to_apply/nz/
Nov 10, 2014 - As a New Zealand citizen your eligibility for Australian citizenship depends on whether you arrived in Australia before or after 26 February 2001 ...........

Quade arrived after, I believe, therefore (like Rusty Crowe*) can't apply. Ever. Hence NZ immigrants being the least likely to take up Australian citizenship, most of us aren't allowed to even if we wanted to.................

* Crowe obviously arrived here well prior to 26/02/2001 but wasn't resident for the entire year preceding it. Off swanning around making some movie or other, I believe...........

 

[Quick Hands]

^^^Depends whether or not they (or their parents) applied for permanent residency as opposed to the automatic tempory visa that all NZ citizens can apply for. In any case, I don't think it's terribly difficult to get a permanent residency visa and then citizenship - particuarly if one went to school here and has lived and worked here for most of one's life.

Australia has a large number of permanent visa options for those who want to migrate. Applicants for these visas must meet the requirements set out in migration law to be granted a visa and become an Australian permanent resident. All of these visas are available for New Zealand citizens to apply for and be granted, subject to meeting the statutory requirements. We cannot grant a permanent visa if you do not meet the specific requirements set out in migration legislation.
New Zealand citizens can travel without a visa and will usually be granted a Special Category visa (subclass 444) on arrival in Australia. The Special Category visa is unique under Australian migration law as it is a temporary visa that allows you to remain in Australia indefinitely with no work limitation or other conditions attached. As a result, many New Zealand citizens do not consider applying for a permanent visa.
New Zealand citizens considering living in Australia are encouraged to apply for a permanent visa before moving to Australia, or as soon as you become eligible in Australia. New Zealand citizens seeking an option to apply for a permanent visa are encouraged to explore the range of visa options under the Family and Skill streams by following the links available on our Migrants page.
http://www.immi.gov.au/Live/Pages/new-zealand-citizens.aspx

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^^^^^ at the risk of belabouring the point, permanent residence cant get you an Australian passport if you happen to have been born in NZ & moved here after 26/02/2001 (or were here prior to that but not for the complete year immediately prior, hence Rusty Crowe's predicament ). I can live here 'til the day I die but I can never EVER apply for citizenship & nor can Quade.

 

[p.Tah]

I must be misreading this because permanent residency and the SCV (pre 2001) are seperate things?

To apply for Australian citizenship you must:

be a permanent resident, or
have been in Australia on 26 February 2001 on a SCV, or if absent on that day have spent a period/periods totalling 12 months in Australia on an SCV in the two years immediately before 26 February 2001, or
have a Centrelink certificate issued prior to 26 February 2004 stating that you were residing in Australia at a particular date.

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/applying/how_to_apply/nz/

 

[Quick Hands]

Applying for citizenship

Those New Zealand citizens covered by the transitional arrangements are able to apply for Australian citizenship without first becoming a permanent visa holder. Those arriving on or after 27 February 2001 must first apply for and be granted a permanent visa.
All applicants for Australian citizenship aged 18 years and over must satisfy character requirements.
New Zealand citizens who apply for Australian citizenship and who do not hold a permanent visa must provide overseas penal clearance certificates to support their application. This is because these clients generally have not provided those certificates prior to becoming resident in Australia.
This applies to New Zealand citizen applicants aged 18 years or over regardless of how long they have resided in Australia.
New Zealand citizens who arrived in Australia before the age of 18 years and have not left Australia since are not required to provide this information.
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/17nz.htm

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^^^^^^^^ happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong BUT we have friends & whanau who've looked into becoming citizens & been told by immigration consultants and/ or Immigration Department officials that their being kiwi-born makes them ineligible; and how does one explain the inability of Russell Crowe, Australian resident from ~1968 until he went to Hollywood, to get citizenship? And are the sundry other celebs, NZ-born & otherwise, who've endorsed his views on how unfair his situation is all mistaken?

 

[p.Tah]

According to Immigration Crowe hadn't applied for citizenship

However, the Department of Immigration has told Fairfax it has no record of either Crowe's applications or its alleged rejections.

"According to Departmental records, Mr Crowe has not submitted an application for a permanent visa or for Australian citizenship," the department said in a written response to questions.

"Should Mr Crowe apply for and be granted a permanent visa, there are a variety of options that he may use to meet the eligibility requirements, including the residence requirements."

http://m.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celeb...s-immigration-department-20150325-1m7q55.html

I have no idea but it doesn't make sense that every other nationality can become a resident but kiwis can't.

 

[Quick Hands]

^^^^^^^^ happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong BUT we have friends & whanau who've looked into becoming citizens & been told by immigration consultants and/ or Immigration Department officials that their being kiwi-born makes them ineligible; and how does one explain the inability of Russell Crowe, Australian resident from ~1968 until he went to Hollywood, to get citizenship? And are the sundry other celebs, NZ-born & otherwise, who've endorsed his views on how unfair his situation is all mistaken?

It certainly seems a bureaucratic maze, with an array of transitional arrangements and countlesss different types of visas to apply for. In the words of Humphrey Appleby, "it's not for me to explain government policy, you should ask the minister."

It seems from an ordinary reading of the government website that NZers are entitled to apply for citizenship, permanent residency etc., but many probably look at it and don't bother. The temporary Kiwi visa seems to give greater rights to come and go and to work than a permanent residency visa, the only thing you can't do is vote in elections.

It does seem extraordinarily complex, when one considers that some can come here and spend 5 years on welfare and become a citizen by simply filling out a form.

 

[qwerty51]

I thought this thread was about Rio.. anyone got any other suggestions for players who should make a 12man Olympic squad? Let's just assume any Aus player is eligible (even though probably not).

 

[Quick Hands]

I thought this thread was about Rio.. anyone got any other suggestions for players who should make a 12man Olympic squad? Let's just assume any Aus player is eligible (even though probably not).

I think we need to see some of these guys playing 7s next year. In general terms I like the guys you suggested and it has a balance of guys who have played some 7s as well.

I'd have Folau in there, TK and Kyle Godwin (at least to look at). Probably a few others as well.

From what I've seen so far in 2015 our attack is based on having big ball runners breaking the line, with very little finess or creativity evident and not a lot of outright speed.

I'd almost have JOC (James O'Connor) and Foley measured up for Olympic blazers now.