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Wallabies v. Springboks, 18th July 2015, Suncorp, Brisbane

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Andrew Slack (58)
It was a mixed bag of awful and sublime from both sides, not unexpected given the experimental nature of both line ups.
These tests will allow Meyer to sort the wheat from the chaff, and hopefully put a bit of starch into the reserves. Your starting XV tore us apart at the breakdown (big bodies cleaning out hard and accurately), and their defence was solid.

As soon as the replacements started it went to hell.

Mohoje was the worst. Just not up to it. Missed the tackle on Hooper when he scored and gave away two kickable penalties. Not up to the job but the quotas must be met. He was terrible.

Strauss at hooker did not make his usual impact. He has been in poor form all year. When Meyer yanked Bismarck off I told my missus theta it's over. We are going to lose.

Why Heinke vd Merwe is in the team beats me. We have young Kitshoff from the Stormers who is a great scrummager and has a high tackle count. I think that will be curtains for vd Merwe's test hopes.

Pollard played a good 40 but the second half was poor for him At the moment he is not consistent enough.

Pienaar was solid and then he replaces him with Reinach who since the first time he was picked for the Boks I maintained is not test standard. He proved that last night. Bad decision making. AWFUL kicking. He is only just a Super level scrummie, but only just.

Then the gaff to end all gaffs. He pulls Kriel and moves JP Pietersen to 13. I started laughing and stopped watching.

Meyer has way more questions that answers right now. There is not enough quality in this current squad to fill a bench confidently so he is going to have to go back the Whiteley as his loosie replacement, give Heinie Adams a chance as the 9 replacement, Nyakane back on the bench, Koch for tighthead etc.

Play like we did for the last 30 minutes and the ABs will put 50 on us.
 

Chris McCracken

Jim Clark (26)
Cause it's unique blend of alcohol and toxic chemicals would achieve the blindness required to not see that pass was a bit forward, of course.

Well, I'd had some Jamieson's on Saturday and I thought the pass was forward. Still do. Oddly enough, though, there are an extra 7 points on the scoreboard because of it. It wasn't the first time, and it won't be the last time it happens.
 

Dismal Pillock

Simon Poidevin (60)
When Meyer yanked Bismarck off I told my missus theta it's over.
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waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Total absence of boksomething's & somethingbok's whinging on PlanetRugby suggests the QC (Quade Cooper) > AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) pass was legit: mostly they're bitching about the last try but more so their coaching, selection (incl quotas), timing of substitutions, & game plan (so just the usual, then :)).
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
Pretty happy with most.
Thought Gits was good and the experiment successful/

Higgers Skelton and keps left a bit to be desired, Saffas really touched up big Will. Scrum certainly went better when he went off.
Hooper was massive and Uzzy great in cintested catches.
Great to see Squeak play the 80, and get a win. Thought he wasn't quite as good as normal - just a little off..

Great win by the boys.

Thing I noticed most was that the bench made a difference which is different from the past couple of years.
 

Grant NZ

Bill Watson (15)
Well, I'd had some Jamieson's on Saturday and I thought the pass was forward. Still do. Oddly enough, though, there are an extra 7 points on the scoreboard because of it. It wasn't the first time, and it won't be the last time it happens.


It wasn't really a big deal in terms of the result thankfully. Even though the margin was less than 7, the Boks got their big lead after it was awarded and only have themselves to blame for self destructing.
 

KOB1987

Rod McCall (65)
I'm not wild about having two opensides. We are already struggling for physicality in the breakdown and not having a number 8 won't help that.

I'd probably play Pocock at 7 and whomever is the fittest form 8 and put hooper on the bench.
Physicality? If anything it lifted with both of them out there. I think we need a paradigm shift, stop referring to them as two open sides and start referring to them as two world class flankers.


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Trevor Allan (34)
I think at the end of the day everybody has to accept the coaches of the our national teams have one eye on the RWC. Selections and substitutions may have been made simply to develop depth and try new combinations. Clearly things have not worked for both teams but I wouldn't get too stressed about it.

Personally, I am convinced Skelton is getting game time for experience. What he needs is a decent fitness and conditioning coach over summer and then we will see how useful he is in internationals. He still has a few months so maybe they can do something but at present he is off the pace. I also think Pocock will be getting way more game time at the RWC than he necessarily will get in the Rugby Championship. Class is forever. Others need to prove themselves, like Horwill (who I thought was much better than his shite S15).

I don't know how much Cheika or HM have made clear their intentions or plans, but I know here that Hanson has made it pretty clear what he is trying to do, All Blacks being national treasures and all.

Have a wee calm down and watch that blood pressure.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
I wholeheartedly agree @TWAS. Time to stop having to hide players in defense because their tackling capability is not up to scratch.

But otherwise, I think Cheika is so far getting out of some issues scot free. What coach has a game plan to ignore the breakdown and to play out of form players in the crucial 9, 10 and 12 area?


It is the old "here's enough rope, see if you can't hang yourself" approach.

And Genia, regardless of the injury, did just that.

Service from the base stuffed up everything outside it - Quade was playing deep to run onto the ball, and not getting it. Forwards were flat-footed because the service was poor, and everything snowballed from there.
 
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Been saying all year, for the Reds even when the forwards got momentum, Genia slowed it down and killed their ability to maintain it.
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
It is the old "here's enough rope, see if you can't hang yourself" approach.

And Genia, regardless of the injury, did just that.

Service from the base stuffed up everything outside it - Quade was playing deep to run onto the ball, and not getting it. Forwards were flat-footed because the service was poor, and everything snowballed from there.

Don't forget @Pfitzy that the forwards failure to effectively get to any breakdown in the first half was also Will Genia's fault. Certainly improved in the second half with Phipps on.;)
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
I am sorry to continue the theme but:

- our breakdown work vs Boks was so poor technically, in numbers, in accuracy, timing etc , it is just obvious that Cheika, no matter how good he is, cannot and should not cover as national HC and forwards coach as he is now. We will not see, for example, England or the ABs make this massive managerial mistake. Cheika has been 'about to appoint a Wallaby forwards coach' all of 2015, but inexplicably none have been secured. This lack of coaching specialisation since the start of the Wallaby training period will prove very expensive in terms of critical, attention-to-detail aspects of Wallaby forwards preparation and execution. (I said this well before the Wallaby season started.) With that demonstrated standard of forwards work in broken play, we will never beat the ABs. Perhaps being 4th or 5th in the world doesn't bother us anymore.

(If people don't believe me as to the huge contribution a crack forwards coach can bring to forwards' skill and productivity, just go back and look at the vast improvements - and their game-winning impacts - in the Brumbies' forwards under L Fisher in 2012 and 2013.)

- the same applies to kicking. I was much encouraged a month or so ago when Cheika publicly indicated he'd drop the hapless Hill as a kind of oddly-retained part-time Aus-wide kicking coach. He'd achieved nothing, our kickers had not improved at all through the S15 season. To the best of my knowledge, Hill has still not been replaced and no full-time Wallaby kicking and catching coach has been retained.

Witness some of the consequences vs the Boks. Cooper's and Gits' kicking misses could easily have lost us the game, and so it will be as a near certainty come RWC time. It was notable how the Kiwi comms quoted Mick Byrne's views on various tactical matters during the AB vs Pumas game, Byrne being the ex-AFL Aussie full-time kicking and catching coach for the ABs, back at work in Test season.

But, oh no, we know better, we need no such specialist capability as we have such natural talent. We can afford to delay such an appointment, after all the RWC is 8 or so more weeks away.

We will pay a large price for an inadequately staffed national team of coaching specialists going into the RWC....well, at any time actually.

Succeeding at the very top level in a global sport is no longer the work of a good HC barking orders and running cultural improvement programs.

Rather, it's a highly competitive, sophisticated enterprise where science, specialist technical experience in many skill disciplines, the best video analysis, human and mental factors, S&C, etc all have to resourced and merged into a holistic management capability that equals or exceeds the best such capability possessed by the best opposition. Coaches like Clive Woodward and Graham Henry fully understood this, and were backed by their national RUs to the hilt to pay for it all and implement it.

As is typical of their general managerial standards and old-world thinking, our ARU is still not convinced. It may die wondering.
 

Marcelo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Personally, I am convinced Skelton is getting game time for experience. What he needs is a decent fitness and conditioning coach over summer and then we will see how useful he is in internationals. He still has a few months so maybe they can do something but at present he is off the pace.

Ok but the next game is against the Argies and they have a strong maul (2 tries vs ABs). That's the specialty of Skeleton, right?
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Redshappy the breakdown:

It is a concern for the Wallabies. Rarely does a team dominate the breakdown the way the Boks did and then lose. Lucky for you guys the sting went out of our breakdown work when Bismarck and Jannie were taken off and suddenly there was parity.

That was an unbalanced Wob back row to field against a team that will target the contact point. Not enough mongrel at 8 and 7, as much as I like both those players, they cannot start tests against very physical packs. England will be hoping the Wobs start that back row in the World Cup pools against them. If Cheika does not start Pocock, Fardy and McCalman/Palu against the Poms he needs to get his head examined and make the results public.

In England at Twickers you will lose against the English with Saturday's back row. I'll take any bets from anybody.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Redshappy the breakdown:

It is a concern for the Wallabies. Rarely does a team dominate the breakdown the way the Boks did and then lose. Lucky for you guys the sting went out of our breakdown work when Bismarck and Jannie were taken off and suddenly there was parity.

That was an unbalanced Wob back row to field against a team that will target the contact point. Not enough mongrel at 8 and 7, as much as I like both those players, they cannot start tests against very physical packs. England will be hoping the Wobs start that back row in the World Cup pools against them. If Cheika does not start Pocock, Fardy and McCalman/Palu against the Poms he needs to get his head examined and make the results public.

In England at Twickers you will lose against the English with Saturday's back row. I'll take any bets from anybody.



Totally agree. Our approach to the breakdown needs to be different against England. Pocock must play, it's that simple.
 

kiap

Steve Williams (59)
That was an unbalanced Wob back row to field against a team that will target the contact point. Not enough mongrel at 8 and 7, as much as I like both those players, they cannot start tests against very physical packs.

Spot on.

At least I doubt we'll ever see H'bum and Hooper start in the same pack ever again. You might get away with one - but in the crunch game better with none.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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I think the focus on the breakdown issues is slightly misplaced. Obviously backrow balance is an issue, but the poor work of our tight five was the main reason we were off the mark on Saturday IMO.

We needed our big boppers to be crashing rucks and making accurate cleanouts. They failed to do that on numerous occasions. Across the board, none of them had a good game.

It is also tied to effective carries. The best way to guard against turnovers is to get the defence backpedalling with strong runs from your forwards. This gives your cleanout men time and momentum, and takes space away from the opposition. Again, something we didn't do on Saturday.

It's not as simple as 'Pocock = no turnovers', or 'no Pocock = turnovers galore'. In fact that's way off the mark. Not that anyone here is making that point (wish I could say the same about some of the dills on the front page though).

You can field any back row combination you like, but if your tight five aren't doing the grunt work effectively then it's irrelevant.
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