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Summer of 16/17

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Tony Shaw (54)
They interviewed Lynn on the ABC the other day I'm pretty sure. When asked about the prospect of a Test call up he said of course he would be over the moon but seriously doubts that his shoulder would be up for it. He said T20 is suiting him at the moment. He can play cricket one day but then backing up then next day is not generally an option. Usually takes him a day or two before he's right to play again.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Finished up with one of the greatest test batting averages of all time and 5 centuries. His FC average is also nothing to be sneezed at, in fact it's better than the likes of Clarke.

I'd wager that if SO'K can achieve even half that success with the ball then he will have had a very decent test career.

Alas, flat tracks can make batsmen look good. Not sure if there is a pitch around which is going to give SOK at Shane Warne like average.
 

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Alas, flat tracks can make batsmen look good. Not sure if there is a pitch around which is going to give SOK at Shane Warne like average.


Can only play whats in front of you. I think there's a few blokes in our top order with inflated averages for the very same reason.
 

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David Wilson (68)
Pakistan require 410 runs on the 5th day with 9 wickets in hand. Nice little spell from Lyons at the end, but this certainly isn't an old-fashioned SCG turner (unfortunately) and even the spinners will have to work hard to get wickets tomorrow.

Not sure what curators have (or haven't) been doing, but these pitches are holding together much longer. SCG pitch isn't a drop-in, so that can't be a factor.
 

Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
Although "not-outs" tend to inflate the average (see A. Voges who benefited from this by coming in down the order and always being not out when we declared)
Course, mostly tongue in cheek.

Although, even accounting for playing at home I think Pete has been more impressive in his first four tests.

Voges had his big 138 & DNB, but then 37 & DNB, 31& 1, and 25 & DNB for a 45.6 average.

Petes got 54 & 1*, 105 & 35*, 54 & DNB, and 110 and 40*.

Plus 8ish years younger at the time.

Strikes me as the type of player who could have the highest average of all players to never make a double century for some reasons.
 

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Younis Khan needs 211 runs to bring up 10,000 in Tests. Having made just 62 in his four innings in Australasia, I can't see that happening in Sydney.........

And of course he's now got 175 of them..... I'm thinking my ability to pontificate an out of form, almost-has-been batsmen into pulling out one last big effort is exceeded only by NZ's long & inglorious history of bowling out of form batsmen back into form (& vice-versa) or providing almost-has-been batsmen & bowlers with a final hurrah before retirement/ obscurity.

That being the case, I reckon Straya are no chance tomorrow :)
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Bright sunshine in Sydney this morning instead of the overcast and showers that we've had all week. We should get a full day of play plus the extra time to make up for lost play.

Highest 4th innings score at SCG - 411 by England 1924 (loss)
Highest to draw - 6/357 by Aus v SL 2004
Highest to win - 288 by Aus v SA 2006
 

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Quick facts:

Lyon 60 overs . 9 maidens. 5 - 215 at an average of 43.

SOK 37 overs. 7 maidens. 4 - 103 at an average of 25.75.

Lyon's test average goes up over 34 while SOK's is now at 31*.

*Edit: test average currently sitting at 32.7
 

Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
Congratulations to Smith and the Aussies. Finished with four wins from six outings for the summer - an excellent outcome, especially off the bad start to the summer.

Anyone else think Steve Smith's captaincy, as in field positions, is lacking an element of flair and adventure? With 460 odd runs in the bag, and not enough time for the Pakistanis to score them even if they tried, there was no reason not to set attacking fields during the whole of the fourth innings. But more than not, he set relatively conservative fields, and imo that led to the game being prolonged more than was needed. Still got there in the end, mostly on the back of the swag of runs scored by the Aussie batsmen.

Despite the win and the wickets taken by the spinners, neither of them really stood up to be counted as a match winner in this or the previous tests. O'Keefe is just a trundler, and doesn't create pressure at his end. His wickets more than most were the result of pressure being applied at the other end, and then one very dicey decision for caught behind. Lyon's bowling did apply some pressure but he is not a match winner even on the last day of a test match. Maybe it is a function of the way wickets are being prepared, but whatever, we would be in a heap of trouble if our pace attack wasn't as strong as it is.

We will be in a heap of trouble in India if we rely on the spin of either of these bowlers to take wickets.
 

Highlander35

Andrew Slack (58)
To be fair, SOK was actually turning the ball for the first time in his career. Barely looked like taking a wicket at all before he did, whereas there was usually at least one half chance an over of Lyon.

When he did turn it he looked more threatening against the right handers than Lyon.

Happy for him to be the 2nd spinner if he can produce that level of turn regularly, but if he can, you wonder why he hasn't at Domestic level.
 

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John Hipwell (52)
That last over was pretty decent. 20 off it.

5-215 for the test at an average of 43. I guess that's 'very' good?


:)

How long do we play this game for?

SOK gets one test on the only spin friendly pitch we have and takes less wickets.
Bowled less overs which is a clear indicator of who the captain has faith in.
Lyon clearly targeted by Pakistan and still kept on.

:rolleyes:

If you think this test showed one is clearly superior to the other and will perform better in India you are kidding yourself. There isn't much in it and both have weaknesses. I'm pretending Lyon is the clear winner to get a bite and it's worked perfectly. Do you really believe the SOK is the saviour for India rubbish?
 

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
:)

How long do we play this game for?

SOK gets one test on the only spin friendly pitch we have and takes less wickets.
Bowled less overs which is a clear indicator of who the captain has faith in.
Lyon clearly targeted by Pakistan and still kept on.

:rolleyes:

If you think this test showed one is clearly superior to the other and will perform better in India you are kidding yourself. There isn't much in it and both have weaknesses. I'm pretending Lyon is the clear winner to get a bite and it's worked perfectly. Do you really believe the SOK is the saviour for India rubbish?



Probably just until Lyon gets dropped :D.

I think Pakistan targeted Lyon the entire series, much like the South African's did in the previous series. He has barely any variation and the spin is predictable. The majority of his wickets were batsmen trying to hit him into the stands and it should speak volumes that he still averaged 57.66 against RSA, and 45.63 v Pakistan. His economy rate in both series was well over 3 runs per over too so I don't buy into the whole 'he builds pressure' thing that some people go on about.

I don't think SOK will be our saviour in India by any means but I think he will have far more success than Lyon will.

We are probably going to lose in a clean sweep regardless of who we pick. Quite simply we don't have the quality to compete with the Jadeja and Ashwin combination.

Just read an article on foxsports that said they are considering leaving Matty Renshaw at home for the Indian tour... surely not :eek:
 

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John Hipwell (52)
Bailey and Finch dropped from the ODI squad.

Australia’s 14-man ODI squad: David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (capt), Mitch Marsh, Travis Head, Chris Lynn, James Faulkner, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Wade, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Pat Cummins, Adam Zampa, Billy Stanlake.


So...... give Starc a rest for the first few as he has been more injury prone and was a bit off in the last test. Maybe play both if we lose the first two but I think we only need to play one per game this series.

Pick Maxwell or Faulkner depending on whether another spin option is needed.

Warner
Khwaja
Smith
Lynn
Head
Marsh
Faulkner
Wade
Cummins
Hazlewood
Zampa

Stanlake

Maxwell
Starc
 
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