CAS Rugby 2017

[WLF]

You mean, WLF, that a full strength Waverley would monster/ decimate View. It was not the same team which played Joeys.

Hasbeen and herestorugby,

It wasn't the same team who played Joeys. there were 5-6 out and some playing in foreign positions.

I am not suggesting they would monster Iggies but at full strength they would be a good bet eg look at the Joeys and New results.

Herestorugby is obviously spot on, injuries etc can/do have an effect, but that depends on who and how many are out.
If any team losses 1-2-3 main strike weapons, it can change everything depending on the strength of the opposition.
I did think the 2 boys who came on for joeys v waves played really well, but losing 2 extremely capable boys is very tough.

The only predictions we can make are based on who is available today, and might be coming back.

I assume most peoples predictions are based on what they seen so far, and teams with their strongest outfits.

 

[PickN_go]

WLF, Any update on the Waverley injury front? Will all players be back on board this week.

 

[Hasbeen]

And estimating the depth of the players at the school is a factor to cover for injuries, i.e I assume the Barker win prediction is predicated on available depth in the current crop of players. If that were not true, then on any logical analysis so far Waves would be the logical winner

 

[WLF]

WLF, Any update on the Waverley injury front? Will all players be back on board this week.

No not yet PickNgo, Waverley has a team app which is absolutely fantastic.
You get updates/news etc each week, and it spoon feeds all parents.
I assume all the schools have this or something similar, so to answer your question, we will receive an update on ALL the team selections by age and team, any time now.

So far all the waves age groups have come out except the 16's and opens.

I will let you know when these come out, it will either be tonight or certainly tomorrow at the latest!

What school do you follow, and does it have this Team App?
If not perhaps push the idea!

 

[WLF]

And estimating the depth of the players at the school is a factor to cover for injuries, i.e I assume the Barker win prediction is predicated on available depth in the current crop of players. If that were not true, then on any logical analysis so far Waves would be the logical winner

Hasbeen,

You are on the money.

The waves also has very strong depth but last week v Iggies it was an experimental team make-up, and interesting to watch, and had the very last pass of the day stuck, 2m out from the Iggies line, it would have been a Waves win. That's how close it was.

Anyway, I can sense a strong underlying faith by the Barker folk, which is sooo good. Others have said that the Barker v Waves game at Barker could be a championship changer, not just the last game, Know v Waverley at Death Valley.

This is what we need, and I think all want, a number of challengers!

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

Didn't barker get pumped by joeys seconds ?

How did joeys Jude Gibbs go? Was barker full strength against joeys?

Either way no one should be taking barker lightly.

I gather hardaker is out ... but most of the big guns are back... so aloys will def need to bring their A game, and hope Waverley backline is quiet

Tipping Waverley win by 20+ simply on the back of their forwards

 

[WLF]

WLF, Any update on the Waverley injury front? Will all players be back on board this week.

Ok PickNgo and SDW,

The APP update re team selections has just come out for ALL ages and teams, so here is the 1st XV Waves team v Aloys this week.

Forwards

W McCormick
W Johnston
F Wright
L Moretti
H Whiteman
F O'Sullivan
J Ellis
L Cornish

Backs

M Bell
L Rayner
P Baldwin
B Donaldson (c)
L Wallace
B Howard
D Andrews

B.Hardaker is out as expected, I am told to rest his arm, back soon.

NO excuses now, this is a strong side and the pack is back!

 

[Mr Touch Finder]

For what it's worth, when Waverley played Riverview last week they had 6 players out, most were forwards. Riverview played well and deserved to win, no doubt about it, but compared to the Joeys and Newington games,they were very disjointed and also had people in unusual positions, eg the no 8 played inside centre, they also had key players out v Kings.

At full strength they are pretty good.

Not that anyone cares or anything.....

Knox also had 6 players out for this Joeys game.

Every team struggles with injuries week in week out, thats just the game of rugby!

Each week the best 15 players from each school get to play, sometimes a school fields a stronger 15 albeit due to injuries.

My point is that you can't blame losing a SCHOOLBOY game due to injuries. You either win, loose or draw. Cold hard facts, the team that scores the most points wins on the day. You just have to accept that and move on.

Im glad Knox and Waverly played the GPS schools in trial matches. The games tested the boys and it sure will be a highlight of their schoolboys days.

But it still is anyone's game. You can not look to hard at the results.

Kings beat Waverly
Knox beat Riverview
Waverly beat Shore
Knox beat Kings
Waverly beat Joeys
Newington beat Knox
Waverly beat Newington
Scots beat Knox
Riverview beat Waverly
Joeys beat Knox

Out that the teams that both schools played;

Waverly beat Newington and Joeys
Knox lost to Newington and Joeys

Knox beat kings and Riverview
Waverly lost to Kings and Riverview

Both schools have quality sides that play to their strengths. It just comes down to what team turns up on the day.

 

[WLF]

Not that anyone cares or anything...

Knox also had 6 players out for this Joeys game.

Every team struggles with injuries week in week out, thats just the game of rugby!

Each week the best 15 players from each school get to play, sometimes a school fields a stronger 15 albeit due to injuries.

My point is that you can't blame losing a SCHOOLBOY game due to injuries. You either win, loose or draw. Cold hard facts, the team that scores the most points wins on the day. You just have to accept that and move on.

Im glad Knox and Waverly played the GPS schools in trial matches. The games tested the boys and it sure will be a highlight of their schoolboys days.

But it still is anyone's game. You can not look to hard at the results.

Kings beat Waverly
Knox beat Riverview
Waverly beat Shore
Knox beat Kings
Waverly beat Joeys
Newington beat Knox
Waverly beat Newington
Scots beat Knox
Riverview beat Waverly
Joeys beat Knox

Out that the teams that both schools played;

Waverly beat Newington and Joeys
Knox lost to Newington and Joeys

Knox beat kings and Riverview
Waverly lost to Kings and Riverview

Both schools have quality sides that play to their strengths. It just comes down to what team turns up on the day.

Absolutely correct Mr TF,

It will always boil down to the game at hand and who is on the team.
The only games that the Waves lost was when key players were out, and as you say, for what it is worth, in the first trial v Riverview at QP, and both teams had a few out, the Waves won 67-12.

The only consistent point is that when the Waverley side has been at full strength, it has won well.

What was the Knox v Kings score?

I also agree that playing the top GPS schools has been terrific, and absolutely everyone I have spoken to outside this forum - regardless of association is in full agreement, the interest level has been tremendous.

We do now need a firmer comp/position on what this future may look like.

 

[CatchnPass]

What was still crystal clear to me from the weekend that passed is that Knox are vulnerable in the same way as QLD were in the league last night (I know this is a union forum, it's the last time I'll ever bring them up.) Joeys focused their running at the weak points namely the wide fringes and were able to vary up the movement from their forwards. Negative carries were few and far between but what was concerning for Knox was that their new imported back line was almost instantly shut down. The 10 is not creative enough in attack and is clearly held hostage by processes meaning that there was very little that his outside backs could do. The new flanker for Knox from the 16's showed maturity beyond his years and was well inside the top 5 players for the game. It almost seems nightmareish that Knox could fall apart in the last 20 mins the way they did, a real coach killer and shows that the program is now reliant solely on the processes and not teaching good rugby players to think and play the game in front of them.

Joeys were superb no doubt and on any other day could have been said to have been the top private school for rugby. Waverley have that crown for now and if they were to snatch away the Henry Plume, would no doubt put pain to any school who challenged them. Their attack is lightning and their defence often times resembles a brick wall. Vulnerable is just not a word that comes to mind when describing them this year. Waverley too have the benefit of the draw playing all of their scary games at Queen's Park.

Barker are the underdogs. Their 8, 9 and 12 have an understanding and chemistry between them that is unmatched at any other school and the willingness to run showed on Saturday. Granted, they played a team that is absolutely outclassed by all comers this year but it was certainly physical, and barker won that battle easily.

"New imported backline"? Imported from where? Warrawee? All bar one have been there since year 7

 

[CatchnPass]

Surely Riverview & Kings have some sort of claim to the top private school in rugby having just beaten Waverley? These games have shown that on any day you need to be at your best or you will be found out. Waverley were far too good for Joeys but they also lost to Kings. Waverley are definitely up there also of course.

By this logic the best team must be Knox who beat both Riverview and Kings. Much as I would love this to be the case, I suspect the result simply exposes flaws in the logic.

 

[Eyes and Ears]

Not that anyone cares or anything...

Knox also had 6 players out for this Joeys game.

Every team struggles with injuries week in week out, thats just the game of rugby!

Each week the best 15 players from each school get to play, sometimes a school fields a stronger 15 albeit due to injuries.

My point is that you can't blame losing a SCHOOLBOY game due to injuries. You either win, loose or draw. Cold hard facts, the team that scores the most points wins on the day. You just have to accept that and move on.

Im glad Knox and Waverly played the GPS schools in trial matches. The games tested the boys and it sure will be a highlight of their schoolboys days.

But it still is anyone's game. You can not look to hard at the results.

Kings beat Waverly
Knox beat Riverview
Waverly beat Shore
Knox beat Kings
Waverly beat Joeys
Newington beat Knox
Waverly beat Newington
Scots beat Knox
Riverview beat Waverly
Joeys beat Knox

Out that the teams that both schools played;

Waverly beat Newington and Joeys
Knox lost to Newington and Joeys

Knox beat kings and Riverview
Waverly lost to Kings and Riverview

Both schools have quality sides that play to their strengths. It just comes down to what team turns up on the day.

Didn't Waverley play Riverview twice and Waverley won by plenty in the first match?

 

[WLF]

Didn't Waverley play Riverview twice and Waverley won by plenty in the first match?

Yes Eyes and Ears, 67-12 but it was the very 1st game of the season, and both sides had quite a few out.

All that matters now is our respective comps, but I think its the best preseason since the bloody silly, and limiting, home and away format was developed, not long ago.(Boring)

 

[Mr Touch Finder]

What was the Knox v Kings score?

24-13

Kings lead 13-0 at half.

"Kings were a worthy team. Their performance in the 1st half should have put them 20 points in front. However, this Knox team showed that they have something special. They can be solid in defence, and can put on the razzle-dazzle when they have the opportunities. In the end – they had won this titanic battle."

- From match report

 

[Hasbeen]

Didn't barker get pumped by joeys seconds ?

How did joeys Jude Gibbs go? Was barker full strength against joeys?

Either way no one should be taking barker lightly.

I gather hardaker is out . but most of the big guns are back. so aloys will def need to bring their A game, and hope Waverley backline is quiet

Tipping Waverley win by 20+ simply on the back of their forwards

RE Barker v Joeys 2nds I think the big cattle were out that day Sonny Dill if I remember correctly but Rod would know - I did not make the match

 

[WLF]

24-13

Kings lead 13-0 at half.

"Kings were a worthy team. Their performance in the 1st half should have put them 20 points in front. However, this Knox team showed that they have something special. They can be solid in defence, and can put on the razzle-dazzle when they have the opportunities. In the end – they had won this titanic battle."

- From match report

Thanks Mr T.

 

[rod skellet]

RE Barker v Joeys 2nds I think the big cattle were out that day Sonny Dill if I remember correctly but Rod would know - I did not make the match

In the Barker forwards, Reimer and Northcot were out against Joeys 2nds and Kitchener was out in the backs. No excuses Joeys deserved to win as Barker were like a stunned bunny in headlights in the 1st half. Joeys lead 21 nil at the break. 2nd half Barker turned up and scored 24 points but Joeys added 11 for a deserved win. 35/24 FT as I recall.

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

without Reimer & Northcot... say no more ... that is like playing a Waverley without Moretti and Cornish

in schoolboy rugby, it's the high work rate forwards, with a bit of size that win matches, by setting a good platform

I think Knox v Barker is going to be one of the great match-ups of 2017 ... where is that being played, and when? I might make a rare trip to the dark-side

PS Rod, what is the ETA on your new grandstand ... is it like Shore's ?

 

[Armchair Selector]

Barker forwards, Reimer and Northcot were out against Joeys 2nds and Kitchener was out in the backs.

Um RS, I cant confirm re Northcot and Kitchener but your match report from Barker 1s V Joeys 2nds references Reimer as playing. Are you sure you don't mean the Barker 1s V Joeys 3rds game that Reimer was missing from?

 

[rod skellet]

Hi SDW.. Barker plays Knox at Knox on the 29th July, the week after Waverley at Hornsby.

The new grandstand should be done by the Waverley game. All the big concrete pours are complete.

It is nothing near the size of the Hawker stand at Shore. But Barker will have under cover stands, for about 1000 people when its all done. That includes the original Old Boys Stand.