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Brumby Runner

David Wilson (68)
Well the original contention was that Georgia were testing a much lower % than Aus, not exactly true. As for the lesson, seems pretty clear in this crisis that countries that did not have too many imported cases before shutting the borders were able to suppress the spread. The extent of the spread before shutting the borders has more to do with geography than regulatory actions by government.

Maybe not entirely correct UTG. Reports are now coming out of US that the spread of the virus actually occurred some weeks after the first reported cases. Apparently, genome analysis has established that the early cases of the virus were not passed on, and that had action been taken at the time to restrict people going into the US, the death rate could have been minimal in comparison with how it has eventuated.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
Maybe not entirely correct UTG. Reports are now coming out of US that the spread of the virus actually occurred some weeks after the first reported cases. Apparently, genome analysis has established that the early cases of the virus were not passed on, and that had action been taken at the time to restrict people going into the US, the death rate could have been minimal in comparison with how it has eventuated.
That’s interesting, do you have a link?

My point is though, when the first few cases were occurring outside China it wasn’t like Australia and NZ were first movers in locking down the borders. It’s mainly the relative geographical isolation that stopped community transmission.
 

Ignoto

John Thornett (49)
Well, your original claim was Georgia wasn’t testing in comparable rates to Australia. Nevertheless this second argument is tough to make when daily testing has increased:

But it's clear Georgia wasn't testing as much earlier on and only has a few high test days.

Using a national graph for our country can also be misleading. The states did ramp up testing over the last month. Queensland has dropped away while Victoria had a surge due to the outbreaks.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
But it's clear Georgia wasn't testing as much earlier on and only has a few high test days.

Using a national graph for our country can also be misleading. The states did ramp up testing over the last month. Queensland has dropped away while Victoria had a surge due to the outbreaks.
If Georgia wasn’t testing as much earlier then to have a comparable testing rate per million to Australia they must have been testing more per million recently to drive up the numbers. Your whole point was that the ill-effects of lifting lockdowns were being masked by Georgia not testing as much as places like Australia, this is clearly not true.

As for use of national vs state graphs, you wanted to compare Georgia to Australia, saying it’s not accurate now is shifting the goalposts.

Anyway, I’m going to leave it at that, a cursory glance of the numbers is enough to show no ill-effects because no testing hypothesis is not true.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Another dent in the credibility of scientific advisors.
Nathan Turner, 30 year old Qld miner, did not die of coronavirus as Dr Jeanette Young had stated.
He never had the virus.
Several serious co-morbidities led to his death.
The Premier and CHO used his death to put the frighteners on Queenslanders.
It's shameful.
 

Froggy

John Solomon (38)
Not quite correct FF (Folau Fainga'a). The first post mortem test was positive for the virus, a subsequent test negative.
It is quite possible (even likely) that the first test showed a false positive, but to leap from there to a shameful scare campaign is a big jump that really doesn't stand scrutiny.
The fact is, young people have died of this virus all over the world, and medical opinion on this case is that the truth may never be known.
 

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Eleven days with no new cases & this morning Jacinda gave a very, very strong indication that Level 1 will be announced on Monday & take effect at midnight Wednesday at which point all restrictions other than those relating to international travel will be lifted.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
If this is true (haven't seen a second source to confirm) then we now know there was never any serious risk of transmission for the majority of our population:
Police Minister Lisa Neville has told @3AW693
there probably won’t be any Covid-19 fines issued at the Black Lives Matter rally being planned for Saturday at Fed Square.
 

Rob42

John Solomon (38)
If this is true (haven't seen a second source to confirm) then we now know there was never any serious risk of transmission for the majority of our population:
Police Minister Lisa Neville has told @3AW693
there probably won’t be any Covid-19 fines issued at the Black Lives Matter rally being planned for Saturday at Fed Square.

How does that prove there was never any risk?
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
How does that prove there was never any risk?
Let me put it another way. ("Never any risk" is too extreme.)
The virus is so virulent and transferable that we are banned from gathering to watch rugby and commemorate ANZAC Day.
One little old lady sitting alone on a park bench is moved along by 8 armed police.
Yet demonstrators can gather, march arm in arm, with Government approval.
One Government actually forced voters into polling booths during the pandemic.

The inconsistency of rules and their policing during the whole crisis tells us that the risk to the population was not as serious as presented to us by medical advisors and politicians.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Let me put it another way. ("Never any risk" is too extreme.)
The virus is so virulent and transferable that we are banned from gathering to watch rugby and commemorate ANZAC Day.
One little old lady sitting alone on a park bench is moved along by 8 armed police.
Yet demonstrators can gather, march arm in arm, with Government approval.
One Government actually forced voters into polling booths during the pandemic.

The inconsistency of rules and their policing during the whole crisis tells us that the risk to the population was not as serious as presented to us by medical advisors and politicians.


Amazing that the restrictions have been lifted as the number of new cases in the community have fallen to zero.
 

Rob42

John Solomon (38)
Let me put it another way. ("Never any risk" is too extreme.)
The virus is so virulent and transferable that we are banned from gathering to watch rugby and commemorate ANZAC Day.
One little old lady sitting alone on a park bench is moved along by 8 armed police.
Yet demonstrators can gather, march arm in arm, with Government approval.
One Government actually forced voters into polling booths during the pandemic.

The inconsistency of rules and their policing during the whole crisis tells us that the risk to the population was not as serious as presented to us by medical advisors and politicians.

It's hard to expect medical advisors and politicians to act in March 2020, using knowledge that we've gained in April and May 2020.

Yes, there have been inconsistencies, and that will always happen when governments move fast in difficult situations. But the risk of having demonstrators march this weekend will be much lower than it was in March, because of the actions we've taken in the last two months.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Amazing that the restrictions have been lifted as the number of new cases in the community have fallen to zero.
Lifted, but not removed.
Therefore, the risk of passing the virus to another person is still real.
Except when it's not i.e. demonstrations that the government agrees with.
It's that hypocricy that rankles.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Lifted, but not removed.
Therefore, the risk of passing the virus to another person is still real.
Except when it's not i.e. demonstrations that the government agrees with.
It's that hypocricy that rankles.


You are drawing a ridiculously long bow here.

Social distancing is still being encouraged but it is no longer being enforced. Venues are allowed to operate and fines are no longer being issued to people for being in public.

It is not at all surprising or hypocritical that a protest is not being stopped now versus public gatherings not being allowed to take place in March and April.
 
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