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Aussie Player Exodus

Do the English, French and Japanese competitions not have limits on foreign players? Just saw an article that Sale Sharks have 9 South Africans playing for them this week.

Can't speak about Japan but Saffas in the EU fall under the "Kolpak" ruling meaning they have the same freedom of movement and work rights in the EU as citizens of EU countries. Therefore no limit to their numbers in squads etc.

Not sure what happens in the EU post-Brexit
 

Crashy

Nev Cottrell (35)
We're fast becoming a feeder system for overseas clubs like NZ and SA - we're going to have to turbo charge our production line to keep producing players to replace all the ones we lose.
Saying that, with the drop in the mungo salary cap, hopefully that will lessen them picking off junior Aus (and NZ) rugby talent.
 

mst

Peter Johnson (47)
We're fast becoming a feeder system for overseas clubs like NZ and SA - we're going to have to turbo charge our production line to keep producing players to replace all the ones we lose.
Saying that, with the drop in the mungo salary cap, hopefully that will lessen them picking off junior Aus (and NZ) rugby talent.

Personally I think it's a really good thing and hope we grow as a feeder nation. Yes, we look stupid, but once we get past our own stupidity its green pastures. That's if we ever can.

Consider the rich irony in all of this and that really really highlights that penny really hasn't dropped for this game (rugby) as a whole in this country for decades. For a sport that supposedly unpopular, can't evolve, can't perform or grow, is of low standard and cuts teams because it can't sustain them; and the key reason usually cited is a lack of talent availability in the system, one of its its biggest issue is players leaving due to lack of opportunity (pathways, career prospects etc). The same players that are supposedly not good enough for Aussie rugby but good enough to be recruited by other international clubs or codes; and we aren't talking insignificant numbers.

If you want to add to the arguments you need to include that COVID forced the hands of out Super Rugby teams to start using the local talent (and cut price talent) and junior players and how its dragged the standard down in the past 2 years. Brumbies and Reds are example of the issue. But, the players at the Super Rugby teams are in addition to the players junior / emerging players being poached / leaving and older discards.

So, Aussie rugby's problem is infact a player surplus and a clear and obvious lack of opportunity for players. What a shit problem to have. Too many players that we can't retain due to a lack of opportunity; a problem of our own making and choice.

There is alway club rugby, right? :rolleyes:
 

Rebel man

Peter Johnson (47)
Can't speak about Japan but Saffas in the EU fall under the "Kolpak" ruling meaning they have the same freedom of movement and work rights in the EU as citizens of EU countries. Therefore no limit to their numbers in squads etc.

Not sure what happens in the EU post-Brexit
Cricket has ruled post brexit Kolpak will no longer be valid and they will have to count as overseas players
 

Wilson

David Codey (61)
Cricket has ruled post brexit Kolpak will no longer be valid and they will have to count as overseas players

I wouldn't be surprised to see the premiership try and increase the foreign player allowance as a result. It'll still probably see squad re-balancing but the clubs are too attached to their foreign players who don't have to go off for test duty whenever Eddie calls. Given it includes Fiji, Samoa and Tonga as well I can't see them just coping the change.
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
A Japan XV of Japan based Aussie players, some like Ben Gunter are now Japanese capped;

1. Shambeckler Vui
2. Anati Rangi
3. Sam Talakai
4. Harry Hockings
5. Ben Gunter
6. Ed Quirk
7. Liam Gill
8. Sean McMahon
9. Matt Lucas
10. Quade Cooper
11. Semisi Tupou
12. Bernard Foley
13. Samu Kerevi
14. Joe Tomane
15. Andrew Kellaway

16.
17.
18.
19. Esei Haangana
20. Jack Cornelson / Jake Schatz
21. Patrick Tafa
22. Sam Greene
23. Sione Tuipulotu / Dylan Riley
24. Isaac Lucas
 

Rebels3

Jim Lenehan (48)
A Japan XV of Japan based Aussie players, some like Ben Gunter are now Japanese capped;

1. Shambeckler Vui
2. Anati Rangi
3. Sam Talakai
4. Harry Hockings
5. Ben Gunter
6. Ed Quirk
7. Liam Gill
8. Sean McMahon
9. Matt Lucas
10. Quade Cooper
11. Semisi Tupou
12. Bernard Foley
13. Samu Kerevi
14. Joe Tomane
15. Andrew Kellaway

16.
17.
18.
19. Esei Haangana
20. Jack Cornelson / Jake Schatz
21. Patrick Tafa
22. Sam Greene
23. Sione Tuipulotu / Dylan Riley
24. Isaac Lucas
Hanigan
Tom English
Deegan
Genia
McCaffrey
Stolberg
Jeffries

Could honestly pick a team that would come close to winning SRAU

Not sure if Gunter has been capped yet
 

Rebels3

Jim Lenehan (48)
1 Ryan
2 Rangi
3 Talakai
4 Hanigan
5 Hockings
6 McCaffrey
7 Hooper
8 McMahon
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 English
12 Kerevi
13 Tomane
14 Kellaway
15 Foley

16 Ma’afu
17
18 Vui
19 Stolberg
20 Gill
21 M Lucas
22 Lealiifano
23 I Lucas
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
We're fast becoming a feeder system for overseas clubs like NZ and SA - we're going to have to turbo charge our production line to keep producing players to replace all the ones we lose.
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Turbo charged development system operated by RFU, NZRU et al

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Development engine operated by RA
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Jimmyjam

Darby Loudon (17)
1 Ryan
2 Rangi
3 Talakai
4 Hanigan
5 Hockings
6 McCaffrey
7 Hooper
8 McMahon
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 English
12 Kerevi
13 Tomane
14 Kellaway
15 Foley

16 Ma’afu
17
18 Vui
19 Stolberg
20 Gill
21 M Lucas
22 Lealiifano
23 I Lucas


There are plenty of squad fillers there, but from a Wallabies perspective you'd really only want to repatriate a few... McMahon, Gill and Kerevi with the rest at the end of their careers collecting super or already replaced by new talent. Hooper is back at the end of the Japanese season. The others you'd want to bring home are in Europe... Rodda, Arnold, Coleman and Latu.
 

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
There are plenty of squad fillers there, but from a Wallabies perspective you'd really only want to repatriate a few. McMahon, Gill and Kerevi with the rest at the end of their careers collecting super or already replaced by new talent. Hooper is back at the end of the Japanese season. The others you'd want to bring home are in Europe. Rodda, Arnold, Coleman and Latu.


Can't say I agree about the rest been replaced or at the end of the careers, looking across the depth of the current Australian teams, they would love to bring in a whole bunch of these guys and not to fill out the squad, but to be key players in the starting side.
 

Dctarget

John Eales (66)
NSW people, what's the wraps on Jack Walsh? Apparently plucked from Shute Shield and now plays 15 for Exeter (when Hogg isn't). Watched him yesterday and he was fairly handy for a young rookie.

Simmons debuted for London Irish along with about 9 other Aussies. Ben Meehan has been starting for them keeping Nick Phipps on the bench, commentators seem to think Meehan has been outstanding of late.

Don't know if this is recent but Paul Alo Emile is captaining Stade Français right now, which is pretty cool. Congratulations to him.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
NSW people, what's the wraps on Jack Walsh? Apparently plucked from Shute Shield and now plays 15 for Exeter (when Hogg isn't). Watched him yesterday and he was fairly handy for a young rookie.

Simmons debuted for London Irish along with about 9 other Aussies. Ben Meehan has been starting for them keeping Nick Phipps on the bench, commentators seem to think Meehan has been outstanding of late.

Don't know if this is recent but Paul Alo Emile is captaining Stade Français right now, which is pretty cool. Congratulations to him.

Jack Walsh is a Marlins junior and is a fantastic kid and a very good player. He'll learn much more in England than in Super Rugby here.
 
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