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Guyz, I've totally just watched Noah.
The only way to future proof our world is to rid the world of ourselves.
But it's totally too late because Russel didn't have the balls to kill both his grandchildren
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The only way to future proof our world is to rid the world of ourselves.
But it's totally too late because Russel didn't have the balls to kill both his grandchildren
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Alan Cameron (40)
Those things gonna be able to do the dump and burns the F111 did at every fireworks? 24 bill well spent if they can. Waste otherwise.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
Seems no future in Environmental Science anymore so I have changed my study to Hockeynomics. To start things off I have done the maths and for the 24 billion to be spent on the 58 joint strike fighters, the government can offer 16000 chocolate factories a 15 million gift out of the tax payers pocket.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Why have science? Wikipedia knows all.
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https://medium.com/war-is-boring/5c95d45f86a5
From the sounds of it we'd be better off with our current jets than the JSF.
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Mark Ella (57)
10 Things - When is an election promise not an election promise?
http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news...mise-not-an-election-promise-20140414-279803/
http://www.thevine.com.au/life/news...mise-not-an-election-promise-20140414-279803/
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Nev Cottrell (35)
Perhaps if ALP had delivered or even got within a few billion of the much promised surplus then you might seen things being different.
Bring back the economic saviour in Swan
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
Make it easy for Joe Hockey - aged should just bow out
LETTERS
Let me apologise to Joe Hockey for becoming a burden to the country as I reach retirement age (‘‘Brace for budget pain’’, April 24). I am sorry for paying my taxes all my working life, I am sorry for having private health insurance so as not to be a burden on the public health system, and I am sorry for having children and grandchildren as I am sure that they are also going to be a burden to the government as they also age.
Maybe with all this debate about euthanasia, the government will relent, not only that, they will probably make it compulsory when we reach retirement age. I can see myself going blissfully just like Edward G. Robinson in the movie Solyent Green.
Duncan Harman Newtown
Aide-memoire for Joe Hockey: aged people vote, too.
Rex Benn Pymble
After watching Joe Hockey on Wednesday night I don’t know which is going to be worse – the budget or Hockey doing his "serious" act.
Penny Hammond Orange
I loved the juxtaposition on the front page of the Herald on Thursday. While Joe Hockey rants about the increasing drain on the budget by our old folk, Tony Abbott is playing with his latest expensive toy. Perhaps we can balance the budget and solve unemployment simultaneously by killing off all those over 65. It would solve a lot of problems. It might appease the euthanasia advocates as well. Win win.
Margaret Grove Abbotsford
Joe Hockey lists health, education and pensions as being the biggest drag on the budget bottom line. Tax "minimisation"/evasion by the rich, businesses and religious bodies does not rate a mention. Yet tax evasion is the real fastest-growing industry in Australia.
The average Australian looks forward to hearing about Hockey's plans for punitive penalties for offshoring to tax havens; taxing profits from family trusts etc. before distribution; eliminating, non-repayable "loans" from all trusts; taxing salary packages, including "company" cars, at full personal tax rates; abolishing negative gearing; taxing church-owned businesses and property in the same way as those that are secular etc. The list of tax breaks for the rich and/or the religious remains endless as successive governments protect their personal and family interests, those of their wealthy friends and of religious institutions.
Only when this government ensures that the wealthy, religions and big businesses pay their full share of tax will the average Australian know that the government is fair-dinkum in ending "The Age of Entitlement" – that minimising/ avoiding paying their full share of tax will no longer be regarded as a national sport but rather as a failure to accept the responsibilities that accompany any right to live, work and practise religion in this country.
Margaret Gunter Armidale
So Joe Hockey is worried that we are spending more on aged care than on higher education or child care. Where do fighter jets fit into that assessment of our priorities?
Deirdre Mason Glebe
I just read Joe Hockey's pre-budget warning. Does this mean we won't be getting a Centrelink loyalty rewards card? I guess I'll just have to have a kid and apply for some paid parental leave from my work-for-the dole supervisor.
Josh King Strathfield
I hope that the economic crisis that Joe Hockey is bracing us for does not interfere with our AAA credit rating. It would be such a shame to waste the windfalls of the recent visits to Asia touting our stable economy and the safe investment opportunities that Australia has to offer.
Lee-Ann Groblicka Turramurra
Joe Hockey would appear to be a fan of US President John F. Kennedy's (unusual for a Liberal) if what he has been telling us as he softens us up in the lead-up to the budget. As it sounds remarkably like a part of Kennedy's famous inauguration speech. ‘‘And so, my fellow Americans ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’’
Dallas Fraser Mudgeeraba (Qld)
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/make-it-easy-for-joe-hockey--aged-should-just-bow-out-20140424-zqytn.html#ixzz2zrwWtdH8
LETTERS
Treasurer Joe Hockey. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen
Maybe with all this debate about euthanasia, the government will relent, not only that, they will probably make it compulsory when we reach retirement age. I can see myself going blissfully just like Edward G. Robinson in the movie Solyent Green.
Duncan Harman Newtown
Illustration: Cathy Wilcox
Rex Benn Pymble
After watching Joe Hockey on Wednesday night I don’t know which is going to be worse – the budget or Hockey doing his "serious" act.
Penny Hammond Orange
I loved the juxtaposition on the front page of the Herald on Thursday. While Joe Hockey rants about the increasing drain on the budget by our old folk, Tony Abbott is playing with his latest expensive toy. Perhaps we can balance the budget and solve unemployment simultaneously by killing off all those over 65. It would solve a lot of problems. It might appease the euthanasia advocates as well. Win win.
Margaret Grove Abbotsford
Joe Hockey lists health, education and pensions as being the biggest drag on the budget bottom line. Tax "minimisation"/evasion by the rich, businesses and religious bodies does not rate a mention. Yet tax evasion is the real fastest-growing industry in Australia.
The average Australian looks forward to hearing about Hockey's plans for punitive penalties for offshoring to tax havens; taxing profits from family trusts etc. before distribution; eliminating, non-repayable "loans" from all trusts; taxing salary packages, including "company" cars, at full personal tax rates; abolishing negative gearing; taxing church-owned businesses and property in the same way as those that are secular etc. The list of tax breaks for the rich and/or the religious remains endless as successive governments protect their personal and family interests, those of their wealthy friends and of religious institutions.
Only when this government ensures that the wealthy, religions and big businesses pay their full share of tax will the average Australian know that the government is fair-dinkum in ending "The Age of Entitlement" – that minimising/ avoiding paying their full share of tax will no longer be regarded as a national sport but rather as a failure to accept the responsibilities that accompany any right to live, work and practise religion in this country.
Margaret Gunter Armidale
So Joe Hockey is worried that we are spending more on aged care than on higher education or child care. Where do fighter jets fit into that assessment of our priorities?
Deirdre Mason Glebe
I just read Joe Hockey's pre-budget warning. Does this mean we won't be getting a Centrelink loyalty rewards card? I guess I'll just have to have a kid and apply for some paid parental leave from my work-for-the dole supervisor.
Josh King Strathfield
I hope that the economic crisis that Joe Hockey is bracing us for does not interfere with our AAA credit rating. It would be such a shame to waste the windfalls of the recent visits to Asia touting our stable economy and the safe investment opportunities that Australia has to offer.
Lee-Ann Groblicka Turramurra
Joe Hockey would appear to be a fan of US President John F. Kennedy's (unusual for a Liberal) if what he has been telling us as he softens us up in the lead-up to the budget. As it sounds remarkably like a part of Kennedy's famous inauguration speech. ‘‘And so, my fellow Americans ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’’
Dallas Fraser Mudgeeraba (Qld)
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/make-it-easy-for-joe-hockey--aged-should-just-bow-out-20140424-zqytn.html#ixzz2zrwWtdH8
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Nev Cottrell (35)
ALP had 6 years and three pM's. Libs 7 months with a senate that is woeful and shows the lack of any democratic ideals in the ALP when they stop legislation they themselves would have enacted had they won. Sheer bloody minded and shows that they think the people are cattle and should not have any say at all. True Socialism at its best.
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Alan Cameron (40)
In Queensland this strategy is really back firing now on the LNP.
That and the fact that the Q LNP is disenfranchising large sections of the vote with arrogant behaviour and nasty laws. The Fed LNP would surely be Howard style pragmatic to keep enough voters on side??
Oh wait the feds are picking on the retired, the invalid, the unemployed and middle Australian welfare. That will go down well.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Wasn't the nickname for Abbott in opposition the"Noalition" because they would not agree to much put forward by Labor. It is the responsibility of the Government to find a way to govern.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
I think if you go back through the volumes of Hansard you will find that the 'Noalition' did vote in support of government legislation during that period.
It was just some of the big issues and more controversial things where there were policy and philosophical differences - ie aspects of education funding, not all but the big stuff like Gonski; health, some environment measures most notable emissions trading, establishment of NBN Co, and others.
Most legislative changes are uncontroversial when it comes to the major parties and no matter who's 'governing'.
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Mark Ella (57)
Hockeynomics - concentrating on expenditure whilst ignoring revenue.
Look the other way for Treasurer Joe Hockey's budget crisis
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/look-the-other-way-for-treasurer-joe-hockeys-budget-crisis-20140424-zqyyi.html#ixzz2ztXwsj5P
Look the other way for Treasurer Joe Hockey's budget crisis
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/look-the-other-way-for-treasurer-joe-hockeys-budget-crisis-20140424-zqyyi.html#ixzz2ztXwsj5P
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Mark Ella (57)
Click go the shears: Joe Hockey softens up the public for budget pain
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/click-go-the-shears-joe-hockey-softens-up-the-public-for-budget-pain-20140425-379p0.html#ixzz2zxBDC1FE
''Mr Hockey has got an easier job than finance ministers just about anywhere else in the world,'' says Stephen Koukoulas, an economist and former adviser to prime minister Julia Gillard.
Koukoulas thinks Hockey is right to take action to improve the budget position but he likens the problem to a Rolls-Royce with a flat tyre.
''Sure, you've just got to fix the tyre, but you've still got a Rolls-Royce,'' he said. ''It's hardly a disaster.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/click-go-the-shears-joe-hockey-softens-up-the-public-for-budget-pain-20140425-379p0.html#ixzz2zxBDC1FE
''Mr Hockey has got an easier job than finance ministers just about anywhere else in the world,'' says Stephen Koukoulas, an economist and former adviser to prime minister Julia Gillard.
Koukoulas thinks Hockey is right to take action to improve the budget position but he likens the problem to a Rolls-Royce with a flat tyre.
''Sure, you've just got to fix the tyre, but you've still got a Rolls-Royce,'' he said. ''It's hardly a disaster.''
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
LETTERS
Rather than older people being required to do the heavy lifting in Joe Hockey’s budget deliberations, would it be too much to ask that he abide by one of the criterion of a civilised society, that the current working generation supports the one that preceded it, and shape the budget accordingly (“Hockey could make cuts topping $300b”, April 25)?
Rob Peard Beacon Hill
The Treasurer is keeping up the message "Everyone in Australia has to help to do the heavy lifting on the budget ... the age of entitlement is over". Will those who are well-off be included in this? Will the Treasurer axe their entitlements? Maybe he could start with removing current and retired MPs' free travel benefits? Will Gina Rinehart and her like do some "heavy lifting", have their tax arrangements "rearranged" so that they contribute fairly to Australia's plans for a healthy future?
And pigs will fly.
Colleen Hunt Eltham
Margaret Gunter (Letters, April 24) has overlooked in her condemnation of tax breaks for the “rich and or the religious and their institutions” the thousands of Australian Christians and church goers who daily in a voluntary capacity serve others in need, thus saving governments millions. They look not for a tax break or any other form of reward but are content one day to hear the words of their Master ‘‘as you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it for me’’ (Matthew 25:40). In her outburst against church-based organisations Ms Gunter runs the risk of cutting off the hand that one day might be willing to feed her.
Nan Howard Camden
Joe Hockey’s plan to reduce real spending growth to 1.75 per cent a year for a decade foreshadows the harshest budget since John Howard’s 1996 budget demolition (“Hockey prepares straitjacket to put restraint on spending”, April 24). The severe handbrake is to be applied to one side of the ledger only – the spending side. Increases in revenue via taxes is seen as anti-growth. Yet G20 was all about commitments to boost growth. So Hockey will attempt to follow the European long and difficult path of growth through austerity. My bet is this will lead to a recession we do not need to have.
Bill Johnstone Marrickville
Attacks on the aged, public education, health services. Failure to act on upper-class welfare entitlements such as private school funding, tax concessions, paid parental leave, politicians' and senior public service superannuation, bonuses for political appointee "consultants" and "advisers", post-parliamentary gold passes, offices, secretarial services and travel, the failure of big corporations to pay a reasonable level of tax on their earnings in this country. The continuing disgraceful failure to provide our service personnel with decent support and to recognise the impact of their service on their lives and their families.
Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott – we will remember them.
Kevin Farrell Beelbangera
Now that's what I call a Letters page (April 25). It's as if the Herald readers have suddenly woken up to the fact that this gruesome conservative government has no inkling of the complexities of the human condition. It's as if the penny has finally dropped and the populace is no longer willing to accept editorials agreeing with a government that believes that punishing us with a big stick is the way forward. I mark today as a turning point.
Long live this Letters page. Long live this illuminating mechanism that enables us all to enter into intelligent public debate.
Max Fischer Scarborough
Priorities to shame us
Our political leaders shame us with their disgraceful priorities. They value the possession of war planes above our ex-service men and women, our aged and the vulnerable. They value material possessions and power above compassion for those less fortunate and wear their appalling treatment of asylum seekers as a badge of honour. Instead of encouraging us to higher values, they have appealed to the worst of human nature in us.
It is time to stop referring to so many of our leaders as committed Christians or devout Catholics as their behaviour clearly suggests otherwise. I am disgusted that the aged are referred to as a problem instead of a generation that has more than paid its dues. Where is the gratitude and respect for this generation of people who have worked all of their lives to help build this great country? It is time that those of us who decry the path our leaders are taking us down stand up for decency.
Graham Lum North Rocks
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/workers-should-carry-main-budget-burden-20140425-zqzew.html#ixzz2zxJSDLei
The age of entitlement is over: According to Joe Hockey, spending cuts could reach over $300 billion.
Rather than older people being required to do the heavy lifting in Joe Hockey’s budget deliberations, would it be too much to ask that he abide by one of the criterion of a civilised society, that the current working generation supports the one that preceded it, and shape the budget accordingly (“Hockey could make cuts topping $300b”, April 25)?
Rob Peard Beacon Hill
The Treasurer is keeping up the message "Everyone in Australia has to help to do the heavy lifting on the budget ... the age of entitlement is over". Will those who are well-off be included in this? Will the Treasurer axe their entitlements? Maybe he could start with removing current and retired MPs' free travel benefits? Will Gina Rinehart and her like do some "heavy lifting", have their tax arrangements "rearranged" so that they contribute fairly to Australia's plans for a healthy future?
And pigs will fly.
Colleen Hunt Eltham
Margaret Gunter (Letters, April 24) has overlooked in her condemnation of tax breaks for the “rich and or the religious and their institutions” the thousands of Australian Christians and church goers who daily in a voluntary capacity serve others in need, thus saving governments millions. They look not for a tax break or any other form of reward but are content one day to hear the words of their Master ‘‘as you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did it for me’’ (Matthew 25:40). In her outburst against church-based organisations Ms Gunter runs the risk of cutting off the hand that one day might be willing to feed her.
Nan Howard Camden
Joe Hockey’s plan to reduce real spending growth to 1.75 per cent a year for a decade foreshadows the harshest budget since John Howard’s 1996 budget demolition (“Hockey prepares straitjacket to put restraint on spending”, April 24). The severe handbrake is to be applied to one side of the ledger only – the spending side. Increases in revenue via taxes is seen as anti-growth. Yet G20 was all about commitments to boost growth. So Hockey will attempt to follow the European long and difficult path of growth through austerity. My bet is this will lead to a recession we do not need to have.
Bill Johnstone Marrickville
Attacks on the aged, public education, health services. Failure to act on upper-class welfare entitlements such as private school funding, tax concessions, paid parental leave, politicians' and senior public service superannuation, bonuses for political appointee "consultants" and "advisers", post-parliamentary gold passes, offices, secretarial services and travel, the failure of big corporations to pay a reasonable level of tax on their earnings in this country. The continuing disgraceful failure to provide our service personnel with decent support and to recognise the impact of their service on their lives and their families.
Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott – we will remember them.
Kevin Farrell Beelbangera
Now that's what I call a Letters page (April 25). It's as if the Herald readers have suddenly woken up to the fact that this gruesome conservative government has no inkling of the complexities of the human condition. It's as if the penny has finally dropped and the populace is no longer willing to accept editorials agreeing with a government that believes that punishing us with a big stick is the way forward. I mark today as a turning point.
Long live this Letters page. Long live this illuminating mechanism that enables us all to enter into intelligent public debate.
Max Fischer Scarborough
Priorities to shame us
Our political leaders shame us with their disgraceful priorities. They value the possession of war planes above our ex-service men and women, our aged and the vulnerable. They value material possessions and power above compassion for those less fortunate and wear their appalling treatment of asylum seekers as a badge of honour. Instead of encouraging us to higher values, they have appealed to the worst of human nature in us.
It is time to stop referring to so many of our leaders as committed Christians or devout Catholics as their behaviour clearly suggests otherwise. I am disgusted that the aged are referred to as a problem instead of a generation that has more than paid its dues. Where is the gratitude and respect for this generation of people who have worked all of their lives to help build this great country? It is time that those of us who decry the path our leaders are taking us down stand up for decency.
Graham Lum North Rocks
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/workers-should-carry-main-budget-burden-20140425-zqzew.html#ixzz2zxJSDLei
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
As i said yesterday "Hockeynomics - concentrating on expenditure whilst ignoring revenue."
The Coalition/Joe Hockey seem intent on removing sources of revenue whilst cracking down on expenditure.
Revenue squeeze is Joe Hockey's sticking point
http://www.smh.com.au/business/revenue-squeeze-is-joe-hockeys-sticking-point-20140425-379pa.html
"The old commitments cannot be delivered - or at least cannot be delivered without poisonously large tax increases."
The "poisonously large tax increases" could probably be avoided without the revenue cuts.
The Coalition/Joe Hockey seem intent on removing sources of revenue whilst cracking down on expenditure.
Revenue squeeze is Joe Hockey's sticking point
http://www.smh.com.au/business/revenue-squeeze-is-joe-hockeys-sticking-point-20140425-379pa.html
"The old commitments cannot be delivered - or at least cannot be delivered without poisonously large tax increases."
The "poisonously large tax increases" could probably be avoided without the revenue cuts.
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Nev Cottrell (35)
From all the quotes etc above I presume that you have a copy of the budget or access via some media to it. Laurie Oakes strikes again.
Or it is just all made up rubbish till the true document arrives?
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