Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
So Sam Croke qualifies?
Shute Shield 2014
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Shute Shield (First Grade only) Discipline Summary to Round 17 :
Club Discipline Record
Send Off (Red Card)
Manly: 1
West Harbour: 1, (Second YC in the same game)
Sin Bin (Yellow Card)
Penrith: 13
Randwick: 12
Eastern Suburbs: 11
Manly: 11
Parramatta: 10
Eastwood: 9
Gordon: 9
Southern Districts: 6
Warringah: 6
Sydney University: 5
West Harbour: 5
Northern Suburbs: 4
Total: 101
Individual Discipline Record:
101 Yellow Cards have been issued to 83 players (out of 543 players) [19%]
65 players have received 1 Yellow Card.
18 players have received 2 Yellow Cards.
0 players have received more than 2 Yellow Cards.
2 Red Cards have been issued to 2 Players.
0 Players have received 2 Red Cards.
2 Players have received 1 Red Card.
1 Player has received their Red Card because of their second Yellow Card in the game.
Discipline by Round:
12 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 1
3 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 2
5 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 3
9 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 4
7 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 5
5 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 6
7 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 7
3 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 8
8 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 9
4 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 10
2 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 11
8 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 12
9 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 13
2 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 14
4 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 15
7 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 16
6 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 17
Who pushes the Laws?
58 Yellow Cards have been issued to Starting Forwards
Club Discipline Record
Send Off (Red Card)
Manly: 1
West Harbour: 1, (Second YC in the same game)
Sin Bin (Yellow Card)
Penrith: 13
Randwick: 12
Eastern Suburbs: 11
Manly: 11
Parramatta: 10
Eastwood: 9
Gordon: 9
Southern Districts: 6
Warringah: 6
Sydney University: 5
West Harbour: 5
Northern Suburbs: 4
Total: 101
Individual Discipline Record:
101 Yellow Cards have been issued to 83 players (out of 543 players) [19%]
65 players have received 1 Yellow Card.
18 players have received 2 Yellow Cards.
0 players have received more than 2 Yellow Cards.
2 Red Cards have been issued to 2 Players.
0 Players have received 2 Red Cards.
2 Players have received 1 Red Card.
1 Player has received their Red Card because of their second Yellow Card in the game.
Discipline by Round:
12 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 1
3 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 2
5 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 3
9 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 4
7 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 5
5 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 6
7 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 7
3 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 8
8 Yellow Cards and 1 Red Cards were issued in Round 9
4 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 10
2 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 11
8 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 12
9 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 13
2 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 14
4 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 15
7 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 16
6 Yellow Cards and 0 Red Cards were issued in Round 17
Who pushes the Laws?
58 Yellow Cards have been issued to Starting Forwards
22 = Front Row, 10 = Second Row, 26 = Loose Forwards
33 Yellow Cards have been issued to Starting Backs10 = Halfback/Flyhalf, 11 = Centres, 12 = Back Three.
10 Yellow Cards have been issued to Bench Players[/quote]
Who has been hassling the Scoreboard Attendants?
(First Grade only to Round 17)
Top 10 Point Scorers
Hamish ANGUS, Warringah, (16), 189 points (3T 39C 32PG)
Dane CHISHOLM, Manly, (11), 169 points (9T 44C 12PG)
David HARVEY, West Harbour, (12), 140 points (3T 37C 17PG)
Rohan SAIFOLOI, Southern Districts, (13), 127 points (29C 22PG 1FG)
Robert MATE, Penrith, (17), 120 points (1T 38C 13PG)
Daniel KELLY, Sydney University, (10), 120 points (2T 37C 12PG)
Ben BATGER, Eastwood, (16), 112 points (6T 29C 8PG)
Pierre HOLA, Eastwood, (9), 94 points (1T 22C 15PG)
James DARGAVILLE, Sydney University, (17), 90 points (18T)
Terry PRESTON, Gordon, (17), 89 points (5T 17C 10PG)
Note: Number in brackets is the number of run on starts the player has had.
Top 10 Golden Boots
Hamish ANGUS, Warringah, (16), 174 points (39C 32PG)
Rohan SAIFOLOI, Southern Districts, (13), 127 points (29C 22PG 1FG)
David HARVEY, West Harbour, (12), 125 points (37C 17PG)
Dane CHISHOLM, Manly, (11), 124 points (44C 12PG)
Robert MATE, Penrith, (17), 115 points (38C 13PG)
Daniel KELLY, Sydney University, (10), 110 points (37C 12PG)
Pierre HOLA, Eastwood, (9), 89 points (22C 15PG)
Ben BATGER, Eastwood, (16), 82 points (29C 8PG)
Tom WOODS, Parramatta, (9), 80 points (22C 12PG)
Jack GRANT, Northern Suburbs, (10), 66 points (12C 14PG)
Meat Pies
815 tries have been scored by 248 players (out of 543 players) [46%]
295 players have not tasted a meat pie [54%].
84 players have scored only 1 Try.
164 players have scored 2 or more Tries.
107 players have scored 3 or more Tries.
79 players have scored 4 or more Tries.
55 players have scored 5 or more Tries.
16 players average 1 try per fortnight.
Top Individual Try Scorers
James DARGAVILLE, Sydney University, 18 tries, (17 starts)
Harrison BERGELIN, Manly, 17 tries, (17 starts)
Nick BATGER, Eastwood, 15 tries, (16 starts)
Joel BROOKS, West Harbour, 14 tries, (16 starts)
John GRANT, Eastwood, 14 tries, (12 starts)
Sireli TAGICAKIBAU, Warringah, 12 tries, (17 starts)
Jarome MACKENZIE, Penrith, 12 tries, (13 starts)
Alexander NORTHAM, Manly, 12 tries, (8 starts)
Henry CLUNIES-ROSS, Sydney University, 11 tries, (11 starts)
Tito MUA, West Harbour, 10 tries, (14 starts)
Larry HERMENS, Parramatta, 10 tries, (13 starts)
Club Try Scoring
Manly: 104 Tries
Eastwood: 90 Tries
Sydney University: 89 Tries
West Harbour: 73 Tries
Warringah: 67 Tries
Parramatta: 66 Tries
Penrith: 65 Tries
Southern Districts: 64 Tries
Northern Suburbs: 54 Tries
Randwick: 50 Tries
Eastern Suburbs: 48 Tries
Gordon: 45 Tries
The Ducks Bum Award (for the least number of tries scored by their Opposition)
Manly: 40 Tries
Sydney University: 50 Tries
Eastwood: 52 Tries
Randwick: 56 Tries
Warringah: 61 Tries
Southern Districts: 65 Tries
Eastern Suburbs: 68 Tries
Parramatta: 75 Tries
Gordon: 76 Tries
West Harbour: 78 Tries
Northern Suburbs: 84 Tries
Penrith: 110 Tries
Good Attack or Bad Defence?
815 tries in 102 games (Average of 67.9 tries per team) [Average of 8 tries per game].
Conversion Kicking
Eastern Suburbs have converted 35 of the 47 tries they have scored (74%)
Southern Districts have converted 46 of the 63 tries they have scored (73%)
Gordon have converted 31 of the 45 tries they have scored (69%)
West Harbour have converted 49 of the 73 tries they have scored (67%)
Across the Shute Shield, Clubs have converted 516 of the 811 tries they have scored (64%)
Penrith have converted 41 of the 65 tries they have scored (63%)
Northern Suburbs have converted 34 of the 54 tries they have scored (63%)
Warringah have converted 42 of the 67 tries they have scored (63%)
Manly have converted 65 of the 104 tries they have scored (63%)
Eastwood have converted 55 of the 88 tries they have scored (63%)
Sydney University have converted 54 of the 89 tries they have scored (61%)
Randwick have converted 28 of the 50 tries they have scored (56%)
Parramatta have converted 36 of the 66 tries they have scored (55%)
Club Rotation/Depth
Sydney University: 57 players.
Randwick: 53 players.
Penrith: 51 players.
Manly: 49 players.
Eastern Suburbs: 46 players.
Parramatta: 45 players.
Southern Districts: 45 players.
Gordon: 44 players.
Northern Suburbs: 41 players.
Eastwood: 40 players.
Warringah: 38 players.
West Harbour: 38 players.
Benchwarmers
15 Players: 7 times
Randwick (2 - Round 5, Round 7)
Southern Districts (1 - Round 7)
Warringah (4 - Round 3, Round 4, Round 5, Round 15)
16 Players: 22 Times.
17 Players: 26 Times.
18 Players: 28 Times.
19 Players: 23 Times.
20 Players: 28 Times.
21 Players: 16 Times.
22 Players: 19 Times.
23 Players: 35 Times.
By Club
Eastern Suburbs Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 1 time.
Eastwood Average: 20 Players. Full Bench Used: 3 times.
Gordon Average: 21 Players. Full Bench Used: 2 times.
Manly Average: 21 Players. Full Bench Used: 2 times.
Northern Suburbs Average: 18 Players. Full Bench Used: 1 time.
Parramatta Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 0 times.
Penrith Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 1 time.
Randwick Average: 20 Players. Full Bench Used: 6 times.
Southern Districts Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 3 times.
Sydney University Average: 23 Players. Full Bench Used: 16 times.
Warringah Average: 18 Players. Full Bench Used: 0 times.
West Harbour Average: 18 Players. Full Bench Used: 0 times.
(First Grade only to Round 17)
Top 10 Point Scorers
Hamish ANGUS, Warringah, (16), 189 points (3T 39C 32PG)
Dane CHISHOLM, Manly, (11), 169 points (9T 44C 12PG)
David HARVEY, West Harbour, (12), 140 points (3T 37C 17PG)
Rohan SAIFOLOI, Southern Districts, (13), 127 points (29C 22PG 1FG)
Robert MATE, Penrith, (17), 120 points (1T 38C 13PG)
Daniel KELLY, Sydney University, (10), 120 points (2T 37C 12PG)
Ben BATGER, Eastwood, (16), 112 points (6T 29C 8PG)
Pierre HOLA, Eastwood, (9), 94 points (1T 22C 15PG)
James DARGAVILLE, Sydney University, (17), 90 points (18T)
Terry PRESTON, Gordon, (17), 89 points (5T 17C 10PG)
Note: Number in brackets is the number of run on starts the player has had.
Top 10 Golden Boots
Hamish ANGUS, Warringah, (16), 174 points (39C 32PG)
Rohan SAIFOLOI, Southern Districts, (13), 127 points (29C 22PG 1FG)
David HARVEY, West Harbour, (12), 125 points (37C 17PG)
Dane CHISHOLM, Manly, (11), 124 points (44C 12PG)
Robert MATE, Penrith, (17), 115 points (38C 13PG)
Daniel KELLY, Sydney University, (10), 110 points (37C 12PG)
Pierre HOLA, Eastwood, (9), 89 points (22C 15PG)
Ben BATGER, Eastwood, (16), 82 points (29C 8PG)
Tom WOODS, Parramatta, (9), 80 points (22C 12PG)
Jack GRANT, Northern Suburbs, (10), 66 points (12C 14PG)
Meat Pies
815 tries have been scored by 248 players (out of 543 players) [46%]
295 players have not tasted a meat pie [54%].
84 players have scored only 1 Try.
164 players have scored 2 or more Tries.
107 players have scored 3 or more Tries.
79 players have scored 4 or more Tries.
55 players have scored 5 or more Tries.
16 players average 1 try per fortnight.
Top Individual Try Scorers
James DARGAVILLE, Sydney University, 18 tries, (17 starts)
Harrison BERGELIN, Manly, 17 tries, (17 starts)
Nick BATGER, Eastwood, 15 tries, (16 starts)
Joel BROOKS, West Harbour, 14 tries, (16 starts)
John GRANT, Eastwood, 14 tries, (12 starts)
Sireli TAGICAKIBAU, Warringah, 12 tries, (17 starts)
Jarome MACKENZIE, Penrith, 12 tries, (13 starts)
Alexander NORTHAM, Manly, 12 tries, (8 starts)
Henry CLUNIES-ROSS, Sydney University, 11 tries, (11 starts)
Tito MUA, West Harbour, 10 tries, (14 starts)
Larry HERMENS, Parramatta, 10 tries, (13 starts)
Club Try Scoring
Manly: 104 Tries
Eastwood: 90 Tries
Sydney University: 89 Tries
West Harbour: 73 Tries
Warringah: 67 Tries
Parramatta: 66 Tries
Penrith: 65 Tries
Southern Districts: 64 Tries
Northern Suburbs: 54 Tries
Randwick: 50 Tries
Eastern Suburbs: 48 Tries
Gordon: 45 Tries
The Ducks Bum Award (for the least number of tries scored by their Opposition)
Manly: 40 Tries
Sydney University: 50 Tries
Eastwood: 52 Tries
Randwick: 56 Tries
Warringah: 61 Tries
Southern Districts: 65 Tries
Eastern Suburbs: 68 Tries
Parramatta: 75 Tries
Gordon: 76 Tries
West Harbour: 78 Tries
Northern Suburbs: 84 Tries
Penrith: 110 Tries
Good Attack or Bad Defence?
815 tries in 102 games (Average of 67.9 tries per team) [Average of 8 tries per game].
Conversion Kicking
Eastern Suburbs have converted 35 of the 47 tries they have scored (74%)
Southern Districts have converted 46 of the 63 tries they have scored (73%)
Gordon have converted 31 of the 45 tries they have scored (69%)
West Harbour have converted 49 of the 73 tries they have scored (67%)
Across the Shute Shield, Clubs have converted 516 of the 811 tries they have scored (64%)
Penrith have converted 41 of the 65 tries they have scored (63%)
Northern Suburbs have converted 34 of the 54 tries they have scored (63%)
Warringah have converted 42 of the 67 tries they have scored (63%)
Manly have converted 65 of the 104 tries they have scored (63%)
Eastwood have converted 55 of the 88 tries they have scored (63%)
Sydney University have converted 54 of the 89 tries they have scored (61%)
Randwick have converted 28 of the 50 tries they have scored (56%)
Parramatta have converted 36 of the 66 tries they have scored (55%)
Club Rotation/Depth
Sydney University: 57 players.
Randwick: 53 players.
Penrith: 51 players.
Manly: 49 players.
Eastern Suburbs: 46 players.
Parramatta: 45 players.
Southern Districts: 45 players.
Gordon: 44 players.
Northern Suburbs: 41 players.
Eastwood: 40 players.
Warringah: 38 players.
West Harbour: 38 players.
Benchwarmers
15 Players: 7 times
Randwick (2 - Round 5, Round 7)
Southern Districts (1 - Round 7)
Warringah (4 - Round 3, Round 4, Round 5, Round 15)
16 Players: 22 Times.
17 Players: 26 Times.
18 Players: 28 Times.
19 Players: 23 Times.
20 Players: 28 Times.
21 Players: 16 Times.
22 Players: 19 Times.
23 Players: 35 Times.
By Club
Eastern Suburbs Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 1 time.
Eastwood Average: 20 Players. Full Bench Used: 3 times.
Gordon Average: 21 Players. Full Bench Used: 2 times.
Manly Average: 21 Players. Full Bench Used: 2 times.
Northern Suburbs Average: 18 Players. Full Bench Used: 1 time.
Parramatta Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 0 times.
Penrith Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 1 time.
Randwick Average: 20 Players. Full Bench Used: 6 times.
Southern Districts Average: 19 Players. Full Bench Used: 3 times.
Sydney University Average: 23 Players. Full Bench Used: 16 times.
Warringah Average: 18 Players. Full Bench Used: 0 times.
West Harbour Average: 18 Players. Full Bench Used: 0 times.
AussieDominance
Trevor Allan (34)
Yes the same Sam Croke that was in the Australian U20's squad. Judging from all reports all the U20's squad members from the Rays clubs have been training.
Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
But Sam plays Colts. Shouldn't he play SS if that be your theory on Ned Hanigan?
AussieDominance
Trevor Allan (34)
I think this argument is pointless because Ned Hanigan is simply not good enough at this stage.
Sam Croke made the Australian U20's - Ned didn't. Most franchises are trying to include all the Australian U20's in squads.
If you don't make the Australian U20's or play 1st grade I would suggest your probably not good enough unless there are special circumstances.
For example Swanepoel and Lucas at Manly. Or one of the six Super Rugby players Manly have played in 2nd grade at some stage this season.
the coach
Bob Davidson (42)
I know it's difficult to compare form in colts with grade, but Hanigan seems to me to have matured and grown in confidence enormously since the few games he played in grade at the beginning of the year. I don't disagree with the comment that he may not be ready yet, but I thought there was a clear intention of exposing some colts players to the NRC and not just the Aussie U20's squad players.
Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
I can't see why it is pointless, when Croke played in what was an average performing 20's side. And to gain base to my argument, that you say is pointless, why is not O'Connor from manly colts, Vea from randwick colts, Perry from canberra not listed? Robertson and Sandell from Uni? Aus 20's players?
Sometimes it is better to look at another synonym than pointless
Eyes and Ears
Bob Davidson (42)
O'Connor has been named in the Rays squad which I believe is the only squad announced.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Matt Philip listed as well
T
turnovertwopasses
Guest
Two more contracted Sydney Uni superstars dropping in... Bloody hell.... Lock in a Goliath vs Goliath shute shield grand final- Manly vs The $tudents.
Intruder
Dave Cowper (27)
Betham yes, Hodge no. Has been out for 18 months (hamstring and back) spent most of his time in rehab
Iluvmyfooty
Phil Hardcastle (33)
I thought from earlier comments Uni were in the course of "developing" their young team through the year and they would be playing in the finals. Is this the start of Uni's Super Rugby players making their annual appearance in the SS GF
wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Just watched the Souths Eastwood replay. Tough match.
How good is Ben Batger, he must the about the unluckiest player of the last decade in terms of gaining higher honours.
I am pretty sure that he represented NSW under 19s in 1999, which would make him at least 33. However, his Wikipedia entry puts his year of birth as 1984.
How good is Ben Batger, he must the about the unluckiest player of the last decade in terms of gaining higher honours.
I am pretty sure that he represented NSW under 19s in 1999, which would make him at least 33. However, his Wikipedia entry puts his year of birth as 1984.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
Yep. Great value at SS level.
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