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cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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They'll huff and they'll puff and they'll do exactly nothing about it. Legal minefield for them to start trying to dictate what a private practitioner charges.
And yes, there are plenty who do charge ridiculous amounts, but it has ever been thus.
 

ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
It is a minefield, but I think on the other side of the balance that people who hold positions of power that by their very nature are limited to only a few individuals, need to have a modicum of social responsibility when they set their pricing. Not to say those who hold those positions haven't worked hard and don't deserve the fruits of their labour, but by the time you go through the rigmarole of getting a referral to a surgeon, wait 6 months to see them and then build a relationship, your kind of screwed if you don't like their pricing. Surgery by its very nature (ignoring cosmetic) is usually a time sensitive endeavour and you won't always have time to go surgeon shopping.

Anyway, ignore me. I'm probably being snarky because i'm off to the knee surgeon this arvo.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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My knee surgeon gave me a DVD of the surgery each time.

Hours of entertainment for the whole family.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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It is a minefield, but I think on the other side of the balance that people who hold positions of power that by their very nature are limited to only a few individuals, need to have a modicum of social responsibility when they set their pricing. Not to say those who hold those positions haven't worked hard and don't deserve the fruits of their labour, but by the time you go through the rigmarole of getting a referral to a surgeon, wait 6 months to see them and then build a relationship, your kind of screwed if you don't like their pricing. Surgery by its very nature (ignoring cosmetic) is usually a time sensitive endeavour and you won't always have time to go surgeon shopping.

Anyway, ignore me. I'm probably being snarky because i'm off to the knee surgeon this arvo.
It depends very much upon what type of surgeon you need to see, and where you live. There are plenty of surgeons with comparatively shorter waiting times, and who are far more reasonable in their prices. Some people feel they have to see Dr XYZ because, according to someone they spoke to, "They're the best" with the implication being anyone else is second-rate. Dr XYZ will probably be at the pointy end of the money pyramid too!! The reality is that most surgeons in Australia are extremely well trained on a world-wide comparative basis, and looking around is worthwhile.
Unfortunately, in certain parts of our fair land, there are colleagues who prefer to have a 4 month waiting time for patients to get in to see them in their private rooms, and stridently oppose anyone else getting a toehold in their geographical area lest the sky fall in. Hence, people wait 4 months or more, then wait x-months to get a procedure done and so on.
There is also a tendency for some of us to look at what another surgeon is charging (we all hear stories from patients before anyone suggests price-fixing) and ramp up the prices in the belief you're as good as they are, so ought to charge accordingly.
Ultimately, the article has a good point - the level of prices charged by some is nuts, but I very much doubt the College of Surgeons would have the gumption, or legal position, to expel Fellows on this basis, and would probably face stiff, and expensive legal opposition.

Good luck with your knee!!
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
I very much doubt the College of Surgeons would have the gumption, or legal position, to expel Fellows on this basis, and would probably face stiff, and expensive legal opposition.

Considering some of them are probably on the executive committee!
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Considering some of them are probably on the executive committee!
Probably not, actually. The ones who tend to get into medical "politics" are usually not the ones charging the biggest bucks.
There's a message in that.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Mr Barnes said the government should use its power to tackle the problem.
"It's not unreasonable for the government to insist that as a condition of access to Medicare, that doctors cap their out-of-pocket expenses at a fair and reasonable level," he said.

Surely it's the patients accessing Medicare rather than the doctor.

If the doctor is providing me a service that Medicare covers, I should have a right to claim that rebate regardless of what the doctor charges me.
 

Dismal Pillock

Simon Poidevin (60)
NZ Herald today, ...

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Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
It's not isolated to Queensland.

Indeed:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/e...rance-of-vaccine-dodgers-20151209-gljzkx.html

Eighty children get chickenpox at Brunswick North West Primary, a school that calls for 'tolerance' of vaccine dodgers

One in four of the children who attend a Brunswick school that calls for tolerance for vaccine dodgers has contracted chickenpox.


At least 80 of the 320 pupils at Brunswick North West Primary in Melbourne's north have become ill with the disease in the past fortnight.


It is understood the illness spread through grade 6, before making its way through the lower levels to grade 2.

The Department of Health was first notified about the chickenpox cases on November 26.

"There are no firm figures on the number of students who have contracted the illness since then, but we've been advised that over the period there has been an absentee rate of about 25 per cent on any given day," a department spokesman said.

"Given the time of year, there are a number of other reasons which would lead to a higher than usual absentee rate."

Children who are immunised can still contract chickenpox.

Brunswick North West Primary School has called for parents to be tolerant of opposing views on vaccination, although no school in Victoria can bar a child who is not vaccinated from enrolling.

The school has a lower immunisation rate than the state and national averages.

In the May newsletter, the school's principal Trevor Bowen said 73.2 per cent of students were immunised, compared with 92 per cent within the local postcode.

In Victoria, the rate is 90.4 per cent, the newsletter says.

The school has previously asked parents to be tolerant of those with differing opinions on immunisation and there was still evidence of tension on Thursday between parents who did and those did not vaccinate their children.

Parent Sara McKenzie vaccinated her son Wesley, who is in grade one, but that didn't stop him getting chickenpox.

She admits she was shocked that the rates of immunisation were so low at the school.

"I think everyone should get vaccinated because it's a matter of public health and community safety," she said. "You don't just vaccinate for your kids, you have to consider the whole community."

Ms McKenzie said she had been told that other schools in Brunswick have similar vaccination rates.

"No matter how angry you get, what are they going to do? You can't make people vaccinate their children," she said.

But some parents were less concerned about the issue. Meaghan Ward has a vaccinated daughter in grade one who was also caught up in the outbreak.

She said she would rather everyone was immunised but didn't believe schools should discriminate against children who weren't.

"To say that the school is actively encouraging non-immunised children, I don't think that's true," she said. "They have to be fair."

Another parent, Rachel Berman, has two sons at the school, including one in grade two who got chickenpox. She didn't know that the vaccination rates at the school were lower than the rest of the state.

"My kids are pretty healthy and it is definitely a parents' choice, but if you can see a pattern ... then that would raise concerns for me," she said.

A previous newsletter aiming to take the heat out of the conflict said there were many areas of school life where a range of opinions were accommodated.

"Staff respect the rights of every family to make choices about immunisation and we will definitely not exclude children who are not fully immunised from our service," the newsletter says.

"We expect all community members to act respectfully and with tolerance when interacting with other parents and carers who may have a differing opinion to their own. This includes an opposing understanding about child immunisation."

Department of Education spokesman Alex Munro said no student could be barred from a school in Victoria on the basis that they were not immunised. However, parents are required to inform the school of their child's immunisation status.

"Parents are required to provide an immunisation status certificate to the school regardless of whether their child is or is not immunised," Mr Munro said.

The state government's "No Jab, No Play" laws come into effect on January 1 next year, but they do not apply to primary or high schools.

Under the policy, pre-schoolers who are not vaccinated will be banned from attending child care or kindergarten.

It follows moves by the federal government to strip family assistance payments from parents who do not immunise their children.

Vaccination rates in Victoria have hovered at about 90 per cent for a number of years, but that number has plateaued, something Health Minister Jill Hennessy wants to address.

"We're significantly concerned about the myth makers who go out encouraging people not to immunise their children," Ms Hennessy said.

"Get your advice from a doctor, not from some quack who's opposed to vaccination based on dodgy science."

Monash Children's Hospital head of infection and immunity Jim Buttery said children who were immunised could still contract chickenpox, but typically would not end up with as many spots.

He said the chickenpox vaccine had an 80 per cent success rate and that if a child still came down with the disease, they would end up with about 25 spots.

However, a child without the vaccine will likely end up with 800 spots. Chickenpox is highly contagious and anyone who comes down with the condition will typically infect another seven to nine people, Dr Buttery said. For "herd immunity" to kick in, he said, about 90 per cent of children need to be immunised.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Unfortunately, the right to wilfully be an idiot is well supported in our society. And they are usually given many avenues along which to push their fucking retarded agenda.
 
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