The NBN (National Broadband Network)

[Braveheart81]

I still think the glaring hole in the MTM concept is that there is very little improvement in upload speeds. This is the biggest thing changing about the internet and Australia won't be in a position to utilise it nor take advantage of the opportunities presented.

 

[Pfitzy]

You forgot

• Contradicts its own findings by recommending that Federal MPs get a private "entertainment network" for their electoral offices

 

[Pfitzy]

I still think the glaring hole in the MTM concept is that there is very little improvement in upload speeds. This is the biggest thing changing about the internet and Australia won't be in a position to utilise it nor take advantage of the opportunities presented.

Exactly - I'm not really fussed what my download speed is once it gets above 25Mbps. At that point, any publicly accessible website is usually the choke point.

Its going the other way that has real problems for applications like videoconferencing. If that isn't at least 5Mbps it is barely worth upgrading at all

 

[boyo]

That the federal government wants to introduce the Mtm (backed by a lack-lustre CBA) is an example of political ideology overruling the electorate

This attitude further exemplifies that the federal government knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

The following is not an example of journalism-by-press release (something that infests newspapers these days).


Turnbull's whiteboard NBN-Lite justification doesn't add up
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...tification-doesnt-add-up-20140831-10aowm.html

 

[Brumby Runner]

CBAs can be and usually are structured to present a pre-ordained outcome. Assumptions are manipulated as required to get the desired result. As can be seen from the discussion above, many of the assumptions used in Turnbull's review can be reasonably challenged or are just not published.

The whole idea of CBAs being used to justify public policy is a farce imo. If an analysis truly showed a net benefit could be obtained then there should be commercial interests lining up to build/instal and operate the matter under consideration. Prima facie the fact that this issue hasn't been taken up in its entirety by commercial interests indicates to me that no one believes the benefits (financial at least) outweigh the costs. Governments should step in when there is a public interest that outweighs the costs. The extent to which they get involved then largely depends on their political pursuasion and ideology of the party in power.

I don't know if a CBA was done before the Snowy Mountains scheme was decided and built but I am skeptical that in the 1940s there would have been the foresight to properly assess the benefits that have flowed to society over the decades it has been in place. I think it is similarly doubtful that anybody today can forecast with accuracy the benefits, and put a value on them, that would flow from a FTTP NBN were it to be constructed now. Vision is something that good governments should have and I don't think you can put a hard and fast value on that commodity.

 

[boyo]

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-a-map-of-everyone-using-the-internet-right-now


Just goes to show how ridiculous the old 'Australia's population density is too low' argument is.

It's very clear from that image just how little of the area of the country you need to wire up to cover almost everyone.

 

[boyo]

The National Party continues to be a puzzle on communications policy. We might think they would have a keen interest and understanding of the issues involved in improving the often woeful state of services in their areas.

But they seem to have been blind-sided by the heap of Mal-arkey coming from the other side of the Coalition. Perhaps they really don't know much about it – last year a National Party shadow minister overstated the capability of the Coalition proposal (the Mtm) by a factor of 1,000, and then understated the capability of NBN by 1,000.



Getting the comparison wrong by a factor of one million may not suggest much depth of knowledge. After all, we are told that given a choice between a conspiracy and a snafu, we should give the benefit of the doubt in favour of the snafu!

 

[boyo]

The term "fraudband" was coined/used by Senator Fiona Nash (of the National Party) to describe FTTN, yet the Coalition wants to roll-out FTTN to National Party constituents.

The National Party have gone from this
Barnaby Joyce Media Release: "How could we disagree with something that is quite evidently our idea... It is vitally important that the National Broadband Network gets to the corners of our country where the market has failed, at a price that is both affordable and a service that is comparable."
to opposing the NBN.

This shows that the Liberal Party holds sway over the National Party. If they'd had any sense they would have to continued to back the NBN; now that they've hitched their wagon to the Mtm, regional and rural Australia has to suffer the consequences.

 

[I like to watch]

For all the FTTP supporters.....
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...ooner-pilot-results-show-20140905-10cgdg.html

 

[Pfitzy]

So in summary.

- Libs says FTTP more expensive
- Labor/NBN cronies say FTTP cheaper
- Truth is still somewhere in the middle
- Everyone is still fucking around with finger-pointing instead of giving me faster connections.

 

[boyo]

For all the FTTP supporters...
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...ooner-pilot-results-show-20140905-10cgdg.html

Even if FTTP was free, MT would still install his Mtm because of his ego, his ideology, and his bloody-mindedness.

From the comments on that article:-

So let's rollout FTTP later when labor cost will even be more expensive. When has an infrastructure been cheaper to upgrade later.
Or how about the MTM maintenance cost making it equal to the FTTP by 2027
So it spends $30b to keep the mess running while it spends another $30b to upgrade it?

The NBN wasn't meant to solve all of societies ills. It did however offer a platform where a lot of innovative ideas might have huge impacts (and those impacts would be "National" and not limited to large population centres.
Ironically the NBN now being offered will just be up to the task of downloading porn and TV. It won't really be capable of much else. The FTTH NBN did offer so much more in national and international inter-connectivity.
But we've got the user pays networks you would like GD (except the user can't "pay" as the network is fundamentally rubbish)

Turnbull should be sacked as Telecommunications Minister, his inflexible views will deliver to us a vastly inferior system, that will cost more to deliver and take longer to install and will be obsolete by the time it is completed.
The IT sector has been saying this for a long time, but as in climate change, this government prefers to listen to unqualified skeptics rather than industry professionals.

We know that Turnbull will continue to roll out a third-world solution to our first-world country because it is better for the Liberal Party's main supporter, Murdoch.
Yes, Murdoch would benefit from the improved technology, but so would his competitors, and also any new competition which might enter into his market in the future.
Remember, being Conservative doesn't mean support for competition, it means "Keep the Status Quo".

And what did Richard Alston and Helen Coonan deliver to Australia for its fast internet future?

 

[boyo]

For all the FTTP supporters...
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...ooner-pilot-results-show-20140905-10cgdg.html

This needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

The Murdoch-media probably won't touch it with a bargepole.

The MSM might shout it, but it depends on how much in the back pocket they are.

 

[I like to watch]

Even if FTTP was free, MT would still install his Mtm because of his ego, his ideology, and his bloody-mindedness.

From the comments on that article:-
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Yada,yada,fucking yada.

Can you please stop quoting inane comments at the end of articles.
We can all read those comments once we have have read the link.

I disagree with much of what you posted in the past,but your view,which is valid,and in this instance,well articulated in two lines,is totally lost amongst the volume that you have added after your commentary.

 

[boyo]

Nobody is holding a gun to your head.

 

[boyo]

This adds further fuel to the fire that the CBA was not independent, was not fit-for-purpose, was very much deficient, etc., etc.


Serious flaws in Turnbull's NBN cost-benefit analysis report
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...tbenefit-analysis-report-20140907-10dqu0.html

What hope do we have to be a supplier of services to the world (BTW Tony this is a job creation opportunity, and you're going to need it) via a second rate internet service. Our brightest will go overseas and boost the economies of countries that have risen to the challenge.

This has never been addressed by TA, MT, etc.

 

[boyo]

A moot point. France's infrastructure is way ahead of Australia's in terms of fiber and cabling in the ground. They also embraced wireless in their rural areas many many years ago because they figured out they can't drop cable anywhere because of wait for it, cost. France Telecom saw the wireless opportunity before most and developed their own technology which they have sold into many African countries for instance.

It also helps that they have a slightly bigger population and more people in urban environments than we have people full stop. There it is again. That dreaded economies of scale thing. Little fucker just won't go away no matter how you shake it. Put the fiber where you can justify its cost and that happens to be a lot of places in France and the rest of the Euro zone.

Comparing us to France or any other European country is either naive, ill informed, stupid or all of the above.

Buddleblog Now there's some gospel for you.

Sometimes I regret we have the Interweb. Every buddling fool can have a blog. It's not always a good thing. Some people's opinions are best left broadcasted.

Buddle buddle.

If you're so disparaging about Paul Budde, post a comment at the end of his articles and see how you go.

 

[Blue]

If you're so disparaging about Paul Budde, post a comment at the end of his articles and see how you go.

Too late. Whilst August was dedicated to being irritated at lefties with too much time and a smarthphone on their hands, September is dedicated to political correctness. There's just too much of it. Leftie blogger hate might roll around again. You never know. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Pfitzy]

Yeah leave it be for now - the Interwebs are already groaning under the pressure of Apple fanbois fapping themselves (and their money) away over the Nexus 4 clone. Adjust your lens-less glasses, comb your beards, slip on your best skinny leg jeans and invade George Street store!

 

[cyclopath]

Yeah leave it be for now - the Interwebs are already groaning under the pressure of Apple fanbois fapping themselves (and their money) away over the Nexus 4 clone. Adjust your lens-less glasses, comb your beards, slip on your best skinny leg jeans and invade George Street store!

Haterz gonna carry a spare battery!

 

[Pfitzy]

Nah don't need that. I live in a modern house with the electricky plugs!