The Climate Change Thread

[boyo]

The Coalition isn't trying. They prefer inaction over action.

TA is allowed to think only what his masters (puppeteers) allow him to think.

The headline should say "climate change", but that doesn't allow the author's play on words.

Government goes cold on global warming

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-03/jericho-government-goes-cold-on-global-warming/5714026

 

[Runner]

Runner, isn't "fussion" what the Kiwis do off the beach, or in a tinnie, often accompanied by a rod in hand, and a stubbie of amber fluid?!

Unfortunately no. Try this it is less funny.

Fusion power is the energy generated by nuclear fusion processes. In fusion reactions, two light atomic nuclei fuse to form a heavier nucleus (in contrast with fission power). In doing so they release a comparatively large amount of energy arising from the binding energy due to the strong nuclear force which is manifested as an increase in temperature of the reactants. Fusion power is a primary area of research in plasma physics

 

[Ruggo]

Cite your source please Runner.

 

[daz]

It is wikipedia, of course, which has then been cut and pasted into about a million other websites. Including ours now.

A source is a source Runner. No credit to the original source (regardless of the fact there is no author listed; a link to the wiki entry would be a minimum mandatory requirement) is a primary deal-breaker at GAGR.

You have made this appear as if it is your words.

I think I made it very clear in my sticky in the politics forum that the rules are the rules. I also said zero tolerance.

Have a think of how to play better on your return, please.

 

[Mr Doug]

Well I think solar power is the future.. We need to sort out our power crisis and solar energy is best way to do it..

ValPrint, the last eight lines of that quote you used are mine, however, the rest is from 'another source'!

I have no problem with the large-scale development of solar options. I'll never be convinced of the value of wind turbines, though. I can't see why we aren't using all that energy "within", and developing a network of Geo-Thermal power generators, maybe in conjunction with 'solar farms', to run steam turbines.

 

[wilful]

BTY, you would have come across the revelation of the BoM doctoring (a.k.a. "homogenising") their temperature readings in last week's Weekend Australian.

You (of course) realise that if they hadn't homogenised (not a term requiring scare quotes, it's very standard and legitimate practise, well known, understood and public) the data, then there would have been a GREATER INCREASE in the temperature trend? I mean, this argument is sooo idiotic, you don't even know what you're arguing against.

 

[Runner]

It is wikipedia, of course, which has then been cut and pasted into about a million other websites. Including ours now.

A source is a source Runner. No credit to the original source (regardless of the fact there is no author listed; a link to the wiki entry would be a minimum mandatory requirement) is a primary deal-breaker at GAGR.

You have made this appear as if it is your words.

I think I made it very clear in my sticky in the politics forum that the rules are the rules. I also said zero tolerance.

Have a think of how to play better on your return, please.

An oversight. Shouldn't happen again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power

 

[formerflanker]

What's the name of the title of this thread?

Fair call. After so many media exclamations that hot days equal global cooling, I thought a "right back at you" call was appropriate. But you are right - today's weather does not prove climate change, one way or the other.

 

[matty_k]

Carbon emissions are rising the fastest they have ever done in eight years since the axing of the carbon tax.
http://m.smh.com.au/environment/cli...n_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook

 

[fatprop]

Carbon emissions are rising the fastest they have ever done in eight years since the axing of the carbon tax.
http://m.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/emissions-from-energy-generation-jump-most-in-eight-years-after-carbon-price-axed-20140903-10by8d.html

How is this linked to axing the carbon tax?

correlation does not equal causation

 

[formerflanker]

Carbon emissions are rising the fastest they have ever done in eight years since the axing of the carbon tax.

Irrelevant. There has been no global warming – none at all – for 17 years 10 months. This is the longest continuous period without any warming in the global instrumental temperature record since the satellites first watched in 1979. It has endured for more than half the entire satellite temperature record. Yet the lengthening Pause coincides with a continuing, rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.


Ref - http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/03/rss-shows-no-global-warming-for-17-years-10-months/

 

[Ruggo]

Irrelevant. There has been no global warming – none at all – for 17 years 10 months. This is the longest continuous period without any warming in the global instrumental temperature record since the satellites first watched in 1979. It has endured for more than half the entire satellite temperature record. Yet the lengthening Pause coincides with a continuing, rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.


Ref - http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/03/rss-shows-no-global-warming-for-17-years-10-months/

Looks like a wonderfully credible source you have put up there. I'm not sure of the answer and copyright is a big concern, so publishing from peer reviewed journals sourced through academic databases is hard but the internet is full of websites like this with no credibility. For the record, this practice most certainly happens on both sides of the argument.

 

[Sully]

Ruggo you can do better than that mate.

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[matty_k]

How is this linked to axing the carbon tax?

correlation does not equal causation

Nope but it is incredibly coincidental.

Irrelevant. There has been no global warming – none at all – for 17 years 10 months. This is the longest continuous period without any warming in the global instrumental temperature record since the satellites first watched in 1979. It has endured for more than half the entire satellite temperature record. Yet the lengthening Pause coincides with a continuing, rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.


Ref - http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/03/rss-shows-no-global-warming-for-17-years-10-months/

Relevant. Temperature trends across the entire planet have been rising 0.11°C to 0.12°C per decade since 1997.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm

 

[matty_k]

The CSIRO are now 99.999% sure that human activity is the cause.

http://m.smh.com.au/environment/cli...ing-temperatures-to-rise-20140904-10c7y4.html

 

[formerflanker]

Nope but it is incredibly coincidental.

Relevant. Temperature trends across the entire planet have been rising 0.11°C to 0.12°C per decade since 1997.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm

Do I have it right when I extrapolate your reference to say a century of such warming would see a rise of 1.2 degrees? If so, surely that rise is certainly not in the catastrophe class.
I am still concerned about the different "warming" figures given by various sources. These differences indicate the science is not settled.

 

[matty_k]

Maybe if the line was linear but you know it's not.

And we all know the science isn't 100% settled just 97%.

 

[Ruggo]

Ruggo you can do better than that mate.

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Sorry mate. Reading that back it wasn't very productive. I've edited it to be more constructive.

 

[formerflanker]

For the record, this practice most certainly happens on both sides of the argument.

Which leaves the average lay person (like me) wondering who to trust. With Climategate, and now our own BoM under fire, I tend to err on the side of caution when reading pro-warming articles.
See todays Australian - Dr Stockwell has called for a full audit of ACORN-SAT homogenisation after analysing records from Deniliquin in the Riverina region of NSW where homogenisation of raw data for minimum temperatures had turned a 0.7C cooling trend into a warming trend of 1C over a century.

 

[formerflanker]

Maybe if the line was linear but you know it's not.

And we all know the science isn't 100% settled just 97%.

And we all have been kept in the dark about the 97% study being seriously flawed. The authors of the study "misclassified the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics." (Forbes Magazine 30/5/13)