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MungoMan

Sydney Middleton (9)
it seems that many outstanding QLand school rugby players go to league straight from school.

How many souprugby teams are domiciled here? And then compare that with the number of Oz-domiciled RL teams.

Then consider there is a 'national' (in reality, Qld and NSW) youth cup comp in RL but not in RU.

And also consider that the next rung down from the NRL still contracts players, albeit for much lesser amounts.

The short answer is, many many more contacts are on offer.
 
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Total contracted positions(average wage/player):
NRL: 400($220'000)
Super Rugby: 160($156'000)
Toyota Cup: 320($12'500)

In summary, the NRL has 240 more positions for contracted players then Super Rugby as well as a further 320 in the Toyota Cup. So the overall figure is 720 positions in rugby league and 160 in rugby union.
 
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Alan Cameron (40)
Total contracted positions(average wage/player):
NRL: 400($220'000)
Super Rugby: 160($156'000)
Toyota Cup: 320($12'500)

In summary, the NRL has 240 more positions for contracted players then Super Rugby as well as a further 320 in the Toyota Cup. So the overall figure is 720 positions in rugby league and 160 in rugby union.
The shattering thing for me is knowing that boys are putting everything into football in highschool seriously limiting their options. Only so many can make it in rugby and league.

I don't know a lot but do the jeeps schools and league orientated highschools have programs to help these boys with alternatives?
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Total contracted positions(average wage/player):
NRL: 400($220'000)
Super Rugby: 160($156'000)
Toyota Cup: 320($12'500)

In summary, the NRL has 240 more positions for contracted players then Super Rugby as well as a further 320 in the Toyota Cup. So the overall figure is 720 positions in rugby league and 160 in rugby union.

160 Super Rugby players in Aust. To keep things simple, there are about 10 marquee players who are not eligible for the Wobs. Again, keeping it simple, there are about 50 current or past Wobs floating around in Super Rugby. That makes a chance of about 1:3 of making the national side if you score a gig as a professional Rugby player in Australia. Once you achieve International Status in Rugby, the pay packet overseas rockets, as does the opportunities to continue to ply your trade.


There are about 100 kiwis playing NRL who are ineligible for the Kangaroos which would take the number above down to 300 Aussie NRL players. Of those 300, there are probably 40 current or past Kangaroos playing. This seems to be a 1:7 chance of making the national side if you are a professional Greco-Roman Rugby player. Achieving international status in Fivekick, can help the domestic bank balance, but what opportunities overseas does it open? What other opportunities associated with the sport are there overseas, as an administrator, or coach?

I think it was Brandy Alexander who opined that RL is great at developing juniors and crap internationally, whereas RU was crap at developing juniors and great internationally, or words to the same general effect.

How many registered male players are there in RL in NZ and Aust competing for the 400 professional positions?
Wiki says in 2008 there were about 425000 Australians participated in RL with 121000 registered juniors, 270000 Schoolboy players, and 52000 seniors. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_league_in_Australia
52000 seniors competing for 400 jobs (0.7% chance of a pro contract). 391000 juniors competing for 400 jobs = 0.1% chance of landing a pro contract in NRL.
391000 juniors competing for a U20 contract at $12k = 0.08% chance of securing a U20 contract post school.

How many registered male players are there in RU in NZ and Aust competing for the 150 professional positions?
The ARU and IRB figures are well known to be rubbery.
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/wh...keptical-about-the-aru-participation-numbers/ Analysis on the blog suggests that there were about 82000 RU players (male schools, juniors, and seniors - excluding Golden oldies) in 2012. There is no reliable breakdown of Seniors vs juniors/schoolboys, so using the RL ratios, the 82000 would be 10000 seniors, 22000 juniors and 50000 schoolboys.
10000 seniors competing for 150 jobs (1.5% chance of a pro contract). 72000 juniors competing for 150 jobs = 0.2% chance of landing a pro contract in Super Rugby.
72000 juniors competing for 0 Under 20 contracts = 0% chance of securing an U20 RU contract.

Whatever the code, the best advice to aspiring professional players is to get a trade or profession as a backup, because the chances are very slim of making it as a pro in your chosen code. The numbers are better for the RU players, but the average remuneration is less and there is no $250 per week contracts for the RU under 20's.
 
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In my opinion the biggest gap is currently in the U20's, whilst the average wage for U20's in the Toyota Cup is only $12'500, NRL clubs are free to spend as much as they like on Tertiary education, apprenticeships or traineeships for those in the U20's squads. Training in a professional environment whilst receiving a free tertiary education is a massive carrot which rugby union can't quite match at the moment.
 

hammertimethere

Trevor Allan (34)
On another note, I just watched the Rising play the Eagles on Youtube just so I could see how Ita Vaea went starting for the Eagles in place of Hoiles.

First impression...The 8 jersey wouldn't even fit on him so he wore 5 but played at the back. He looks SIGNIFICANTLY overweight.

Other thoughts, despite being a lard he did more than I expected. Was never going to run much from the scrum base with the Eagles pack retreating at a rate of knots (edit: he had one reasonable run in the first half), but he did quite well to clean up some of the scrappy ball and retain it by being able to hold his feet. Some of his runs were good, gain line breaking stuff. Made only a couple of tackles, no massive hits and one average miss on Timani.

Is too heavy to be a genuine line out option right now.

Tala Grey was heaps better.

Maybe worth an EPS or whatever it's called now spot. Wouldn't waste many resources on him but might be worth seeing if we can do a Beau Robinson on him and resurrect his fitness and form

After all, he has shown he can occasionally mean business
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Huge mistake, the u20s is what sways a lot of 18 year olds tossing up between union/league to go to league.
 

redveincheese

Billy Sheehan (19)
On another note, I just watched the Rising play the Eagles on Youtube just so I could see how Ita Vaea went starting for the Eagles in place of Hoiles.

First impression.The 8 jersey wouldn't even fit on him so he wore 5 but played at the back. He looks SIGNIFICANTLY overweight.

Other thoughts, despite being a lard he did more than I expected. Was never going to run much from the scrum base with the Eagles pack retreating at a rate of knots (edit: he had one reasonable run in the first half), but he did quite well to clean up some of the scrappy ball and retain it by being able to hold his feet. Some of his runs were good, gain line breaking stuff. Made only a couple of tackles, no massive hits and one average miss on Timani.

Is too heavy to be a genuine line out option right now.

Tala Grey was heaps better.

Maybe worth an EPS or whatever it's called now spot. Wouldn't waste many resources on him but might be worth seeing if we can do a Beau Robinson on him and resurrect his fitness and form

After all, he has shown he can occasionally mean business
Was at that game and remember the feeling I had watching it all unfold.
Was Vaea even suspended? From memory there was no penalty and it was play on after Digby was stretchered off.
Can he bar tend?
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Getting a little desperate talking up Schoolboys on the Super Rugby Thread.:rolleyes:

On the subject of Fox, there is a rather large road block by the name of Lolo Fakaosilia (Schoolboy last year) who is already drawing attention to himself in "grown up" rugby.
 

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David Codey (61)
Getting a little desperate talking up Schoolboys on the Super Rugby Thread.:rolleyes:

On the subject of Fox, there is a rather large road block by the name of Lolo Fakaosilia (Schoolboy last year) who is already drawing attention to himself in "grown up" rugby.


He's signed to an eps contract and in the QLD country squad, he's just been injured all NRC.
 
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