Kurtley Beale

[Hell West & Crooked]

What is in this really?... It cannot have been too violent an altercation, No action from the Airline, (not even a Statement, in fact)... There is an unpleasant altercation/Inappropriate comment; the Business Manager asks for action to be taken - or an apology - and in the absence of either, she decides it is unacceptable to remain, and announces she will leave... The Coach thinks either, it is a minor incident in context, or he is in an impossible position between a player and a staff member - so he throws it to the panel...

Odd that he elected to escort her to the Airport, but it suggests both that he may see her as the aggrieved party, and potentially at least, that he had one last attempt at changing her mind.

He does this knowing it clashes with a pre-Test Training Run, so it is a very deliberate decision. Certainly it would have been calculated to demonstrate solidarity with the Staff Member - and to send that message back to the team running around the training park.

No word from the Reporters, which means maybe they missed it (as it was too brief), or did not even hear it taking place...

We are all judged by our actions - and his actions, both in and out of the courts suggest some fundamental issues are at play in terms of how he interacts with other people.

For me, I'd cut Beale loose for simply starting the 'Mungoe' Conversation as soon as his position in the XV was threatened... You want to go? Go - Don't talk about it.

Its about time the Wallabies meaningfully re-instated an ethic of behaviour which respects the Jersey. Long overdue in fact.

 

[No4918]

What is in this really?. It cannot have been too violent an altercation, No action from the Airline, (not even a Statement, in fact). There is an unpleasant altercation; the Business Manager asks for action to be taken - or an apology - and in the absence of either, she decides it is unacceptable to remain, and announced she will leave. The Coach thinks either, it is a minor incident in context, or he does is in an impossible position between a player and a staff member - so he throws it to the panel.

Pure fiction mate. No one knows at this stage.

 

[Braveheart81]

The three reporters that are on the tour were probably in economy class if they were flying on the same flights you'd assume.

 

[Braveheart81]

The comment above about there being no action from the airline seems like it could indicate the situation wasn't too volatile.

If a serious shouting match had continued for any length in time in a plane it would be likely that the flight crew would become involved and we'd have heard about it from more than just rugby journos.

Thankfully there was no physical altercation.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Its about as fictional as everything else in this thread.

 

[Sluggy]

Georgina Robinson has given a verbal report by telephone this AM which you can google up and replay.

"No alcohol drunk" on plane, and although the argument happened early on the flight from Joburg, the tour party had already caught a 6 am flight from Capetown and waited for 2 hours in transit before the next leg.

The alleged incident, which was witnessed by a number of staff and players also seated in the business class section of the Airbus A340, is understood to have occurred early in the flight between Johannesburg and Sao Paulo.

 

[Mr Doug]

A question to you seasoned travelers out there: At what stage does an airline consider the perpetrator of an "incident" on a scheduled commercial flight a "danger to passengers and crew", and arrange for (in this case), the Sao Paolo Airport Security staff to meet the flight on its arrival? Given that this doesn't appear to have happened, indicates that the cabin crew didn't regard the incident as "serious".
The lack of discipline (allegedly) displayed by KB (Kurtley Beale) of course is a totally separate issue, which most of us would regard as being "serious".

 

[Joeleee]

I would have thought that if the coach is escorting you to the airport, it's because you're in trouble, but I fear that might be reading too much into it.

Either way, there was a lot of stink kicked up over the so called 'vigilante justice' laid out by Link on the spring tour, so it's not surprising that he's going through the correct channels this time. Don't think there's enough information yet, so I'll reserve my pitchfork for later.

 

[boyo]

How many final warnings does he warrant?

What is it with him and flights from Safferland?

 

[BDA]

We obviously have to wait for this investigation to run its course, but if it's found that Beale is in the wrong, I would think his spot in the World Cup squad next year is gone. Good news for guys like Lilo/Godwin/Hunt/JOC (James O'Connor)/Horne who will be possibly fighting for limited spots. We don't need these distractions next year and Beale now has a history of playing up on tour. If Link doesn't choose him on the EOYT, I'd say he'll be off to the Bulldogs next year.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I'm with @Mr Doug. Cabin Crew are particularly attentive to what is going on in front of the Curtain in Business Class.

Something is fishy about the whole saga, and we probably will never get to hear the full detail of what actually happened. I have a feeling that the actual detail will be buried in a gobbledegook of Deansesque new age politico-management wankword speak.

 

[Sluggy]

I would have thought that if the coach is escorting you to the airport, it's because you're in trouble, but I fear that might be reading too much into it.
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The only people who know what happened are the ones who were there, and they're not talking. We don't know who made the comment that set it off, or what it was about, nor why neither of them had the sense to back off and walk away.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

It has already begun.. what was "witnessed by a number of staff and players also seated in the business class section of the Airbus A340" (a very 'active' language for the process of sitting on your arse in business class) was apparently... an 'Alleged Incident'...

One wonders how one can factually witness something that is somehow less than fact, itself...

 

[Scrubber2050]

I'm with @Mr Doug. Cabin Crew are particularly attentive to what is going on in front of the Curtain in Business Class.

Something is fishy about the whole saga, and we probably will never get to hear the full detail of what actually happened. I have a feeling that the actual detail will be buried in a gobbledegook of Deansesque new age politico-management wankword speak.

Was Chuck Norris on the flight ?

 

[Braveheart81]

This is where we need one of those Taiwanese news animation re-enactments of the whole event.

 

[Scrubber2050]

The only people who know what happened are the ones who were there, and they're not talking. We don't know who made the comment that set it off, or what it was about, nor why neither of them had the sense to back off and walk away.

Shit Sluggy - you make all good valid and reasonable points.

But why let all of that get in the way of a good story.

 

[thierry dusautoir]

Female staff member...potential shouting match....lover's quarrel?

 

[Sluggy]

Shit Sluggy - you make all good valid and reasonable points.

But why let all of that get in the way of a good story.

All we know atm is that no grog was consumed between some time prior to the 6am flight leaving, + flight to Joburg, + at least 2 hours on the ground there + a bit of flight time.

The inclusion by reporters of vague references to prior alcohol issues in their first reports on this topic is unfortunate.

 

[biggsy]

thats weird in itself - don't you think?
She's not a member of the technical or coaching staff.
Am I the only one who thinks it must be serious for Link to miss training in the week prior to a test?

And with all the other crap that has happened since the last 10 minutes of the South African game, this would be the last thing link would want have to happen. It was most likely avoidable or could have been delt with in a far better way by both parties.
Anyways, Bad news is good news for me about KB (Kurtley Beale). His lateral rugby style will be perfect for the NRL.

 

[Braveheart81]

It's going to be a strange situation if To'omua doesn't play, Beale starts at 12 and then is terminated by the ARU upon their return to Australia next week.