Next Wallabies Coach.

[daz]

Petty provincialism needs to take a back seat to getting this frigging show heading back towards the road if not actually on it.

Funny how lots of people talk about how horrible, petty and destructive provincialism is, yet very rarely does anyone actually put it aside; it is the default position when any heated discussion about rugby takes place.

Not saying it is right or wrong. Merely an observation.

 

[Muglair]

Then perhaps we need to go the whole hog. The national selection panel comprises the five super 15 coaches.

The current system is not working gents. The definition of insanity .......

 

[Lindommer]

Until January all the Super squads need to do is pre-season physical preparation (a lot) and some skill work (a little). Surely the Tahs, Ponies and Force S&C bods and assistant coaches can handle that for the next six weeks. Look up what was done in late 2013/early 2014, copy and repeat.

I'm a glass half full kinda fella: this development COULD lead to a synchronised approach to next year's RWC campaign. And it's nice to see the mistakes of the past have been learnt with Foley taking the assistant forwards coaching role.

 

[Brumby Runner]

There is no good reason why it shouldn't work. If they can pull there heads out of their backsides and put state bias aside when dealing with the national side it will benefit all.
The best players from all of the Super sides are chosen so why not the coaches? They will need to go back to a selection committee comprising 2 coaches and several ARU board members, probably Eales and Gregan.

Yes we want our Super sides to go well but ultimately we want the Wallabies to be the best..no?

Eales and Gregan are legends of Aus rugby, but really, what is to say that ex-players, no matter who they are, know sufficient about the marginal players to be able to have an informed view at the selection table. Now if it shown that they watch as much rugby as I (and no doubt many others on this forum) do, then they will be well qualified. But I'm not sure that they would be sufficiently au fait with players like Jones, Neville, PAE, Godwin etc to consider their inclusion in the squads.

 

[Lindommer]

You familiar with Rule 10, TWaS? Look it up. And after you've read it get behind the AUSTRALIAN coach.

 

[Colin Windon]

Was Deans swayed by provincialism...I don't think so. Was Link, again I don't think so. They were driven by a goal of achieving success. Why would Cheika be any different?

The Beale issue will be interesting and Cheika, like everyone on this forum, has an opinion. The opinion may or may not change with his impending appointment.

However, as I understand it, a independent process is in place to deal with the Beale issue and recommendations will be handed down and acted on in the near future.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Queensland border moved north to Caboolture - Fuck

 

[Train Without a Station]

Was Deans swayed by provincialism.I don't think so. Was Link, again I don't think so. They were driven by a goal of achieving success. Why would Cheika be any different?

Because neither actively coached a team concurrently.

The big issue is not even Cheika's integrity and lack of bias. It's the perception that will be out there because he is wearing two hats.

 

[lewisr]

His first step should be to hang Beale out to dry. If he does that, then I will be happy he is putting any provincial bias behind him. If the guy somehow gets his 46th "2nd chance", then I don't think I will be able to support this team or the new coach anymore.

 

[TahDan]

Because neither actively coached a team concurrently.

The big issue is not even Cheika's integrity and lack of bias. It's the perception that will be out there because he is wearing two hats.

Do the Waratahs and Wallabies seasons occur concurrently? Next year there'll be no mid season tour, so it's not overlapping in the slightest, so Cheika will just take his Tahs hat off, leave it behind and put his Wallabies one on at the start of the RC. Heck, for years the NRL had coaches handling Origin and club quite literally concurrently and the only reason it changed was because managing two at once appeared too difficult from a time management perspective to succeed.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Slipper remains the only Reds certianty.
Really don't know how Cheika would view Rob Simmons or Horwill.
Think he would recognise the gifts of Genia and Cooper but they will have to prove themselves with on field performances on EOYT (as all players, one would imagine)

 

[Train Without a Station]

Do the Waratahs and Wallabies seasons occur concurrently? Next year there'll be no mid season tour, so it's not overlapping in the slightest, so Cheika will just take his Tahs hat off, leave it behind and put his Wallabies one on at the start of the RC. Heck, for years the NRL had coaches handling Origin and club quite literally concurrently and the only reason it changed was because managing two at once appeared too difficult from a time management perspective to succeed.

Neither of them had central contracting.

Coaches naturally sway towards they are familiar with. Look at Darius Boyd. Bennett takes him in his carry on for every coaching trip!

 

[Train Without a Station]

His first step should be to hang Beale out to dry. If he does that, then I will be happy he is putting any provincial bias behind him. If the guy somehow gets his 46th "2nd chance", then I don't think I will be able to support this team or the new coach anymore.

If I was Cheika and had any sense of self-preservation I would. How many of his ex-coaches have got the chop? Even if he never put a foot wrong I'd be bloody worried!

McKenzie - Waratahs - 2008
Hickey - Waratahs - 2011?
Hill - Rebels - 2013
Deans - Wallabies - 2013.

Did anybody else play on all these teams? Steer clear of them too!

 

[Colin Windon]

As far as I know the structure for Cheika hasn't been announced but you are likely right, that if agreed, he will have involvement in both teams.

Not ideal but with Link only resigning last Saturday and the team leaving this Friday the perfect set up is hard to achieve.

I am not sure of what other options there are. The other main option, Jake White, hasn't covered himself with glory over the last few years with a number of moves that only insiders may understand.

I am not an insider just a Wallaby supporter. Get behind your team. Super Rugby is over for 2014. Get your state jerseys out next February.

 

[daz]

You familiar with Rule 10, TWaS? Look it up. And after you've read it get behind the AUSTRALIAN coach.

Thanks Lindommer. Love your work.

Reminder to all: Regardless of intent, shit stirring posts will be deleted, as TWAS's post has been.

However, if the intent is to pick a fight or question someone's character, the poster will follow the post out the door.

 

[Ulrich]

It looks like the Waratahs setup are looking for major compensation for letting Cheika go. Does this mean he will double up as both coaches. Jesus that would be funny.

It would be unfair on him, the Waratahs and the Wallabies.

National coaches don't have much time with the squad to prepare and given the limited time to RWC 2015 this won't be ideal.

He needs his time away from the Wallabies to sit with his coaching team and dissect opposition playing patterns, devise training regimes, diets, tactics and so on.

Time with the Waratahs will limit his ability to do this given he would have the obligation of doing the same for them.

 

[Joe Blow]

Eales and Gregan are legends of Aus rugby, but really, what is to say that ex-players, no matter who they are, know sufficient about the marginal players to be able to have an informed view at the selection table. Now if it shown that they watch as much rugby as I (and no doubt many others on this forum) do, then they will be well qualified. But I'm not sure that they would be sufficiently au fait with players like Jones, Neville, PAE, Godwin etc to consider their inclusion in the squads.

The point is that there needs to be an impartial selection board. I personally think Eales and Gregan are very astute judges and can select without bias. They would also be much more qualified than 99% of the forum contributors to make informed selection decisions. It doesn't really matter who it is if they are suitably qualified and without state prejudice.

 

[No4918]

Do the Waratahs and Wallabies seasons occur concurrently? Next year there'll be no mid season tour, so it's not overlapping in the slightest, so Cheika will just take his Tahs hat off, leave it behind and put his Wallabies one on at the start of the RC. Heck, for years the NRL had coaches handling Origin and club quite literally concurrently and the only reason it changed was because managing two at once appeared too difficult from a time management perspective to succeed.

The Origin coaches don't anymore do they? Maybe because it didn't work and the pressures of coaching and the time required in the professional era makes it extremely difficult.

Last year Link was watching games all over the country. Reds v Force in Perth then back for a game on the east coast the following day. Cheika will not have that option. On top of a full time job of coaching and watching the Tahs he will be expected to watch every other Aus Super Rugby team. More than one viewing per game would be ideal really. It is too much work for one person.

 

[No4918]

It would be unfair on him, the Waratahs and the Wallabies.

National coaches don't have much time with the squad to prepare and given the limited time to RWC 2015 this won't be ideal.

He needs his time away from the Wallabies to sit with his coaching team and dissect opposition playing patterns, devise training regimes, diets, tactics and so on.

Time with the Waratahs will limit his ability to do this given he would have the obligation of doing the same for them.

+1.

It has nothing to do with provincial bias, even the Saffas who would like a weak Wallabies team think it is a shit idea.

 

[fatprop]

The Origin coaches don't anymore do they? Maybe because it didn't work and the pressures of coaching and the time required in the professional era makes it extremely difficult.

Last year Link was watching games all over the country. Reds v Force in Perth then back for a game on the east coast the following day. Cheika will not have that option. On top of a full time job of coaching and watching the Tahs he will be expected to watch every other Aus Super Rugby team. More than one viewing per game would be ideal really. It is too much work for one person.

I would expect any S15 coach to know intimately the other S15 sides and their players, especially as they play each of them twice