Reds 2016
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
So which coaching roles are up in the air besides HC? Attack IIRC and hopefully defence has been replaced (or is going to).
Or an outside the box idea - Attack and Defence coaches should swap - 1 was great at creating tries the other was great at seeing the benefits of how effective defence should look...
Or an outside the box idea - Attack and Defence coaches should swap - 1 was great at creating tries the other was great at seeing the benefits of how effective defence should look...
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Mark Ella (57)
"Oh Ye of little faith"
I say the following with a wry grin on my dial:
The Report will of course be out shortly
Of course the Report will be open, full of frankness.
Of course the Report will be thorough.
Of course the Report will lay blame at the feet of the players more than at the coach.
Of course the Re[ort will recommend the coaching position be vacated and call for the process of appointing the future coach.
Of course the Report will vindicate the Board, McCall and Carmichael.
I say the following with a wry grin on my dial:
The Report will of course be out shortly
Of course the Report will be open, full of frankness.
Of course the Report will be thorough.
Of course the Report will lay blame at the feet of the players more than at the coach.
Of course the Re[ort will recommend the coaching position be vacated and call for the process of appointing the future coach.
Of course the Report will vindicate the Board, McCall and Carmichael.
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Trevor Allan (34)
But the resolution in a timely fashion, and reduction in recurrence of a specific injury (or injuries) in a specific player is more a physio role than an S & C once. Playing at less than 100% is a barrier to top performance no doubt. We saw that in a few players this year. JOC (James O'Connor) is an example who admits that ongoing recurrent "niggles" stopped him from playing his best. Good physio management minimizes this.
My mail is they couldn't find one because the job they were offering is bullshit. Part time, just assessing and treating, salary that nobody could live on (especially an older, experienced professional who might have kids etc.). There is no recognition of the need to have at least one full time boss who's full capacity can be devoted to the team and overseeing their management and then working with S and C through the rehab.
hammertimethere
Trevor Allan (34)
Te Puni to replace Carmichael!
Cpt Crow Eater
Chris McKivat (8)
You know your fans are furious when 2 forum pages is all venting over the new physio!
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Frank Nicholson (4)
Still frustrated that they appoint all these people and sign new players but not sort out the coach. Even if it's not Graham, the new coach will inherit a team and staff of which he has had no influence on.
If they sacked him 6 months ago the coach could have started building a team around their vision.
Unfortunately it looks like it will take another player mass-exodus to trigger change.
If they sacked him 6 months ago the coach could have started building a team around their vision.
Unfortunately it looks like it will take another player mass-exodus to trigger change.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Good point.
Jim Tucker in the Courier Mail today made just this point (re a new HC potentially inheriting a bunch of pre-chosen staff) when he reported that the increasingly unfamous 'independent report' that the QRU requires to guide its thinking on the matter of HC, HPU etc, has been further delayed and no one quite knows what's going on and RG is still at Ballymore running passing drills.
This has gone beyond a joke! The HPU didn't create a dud game plan and then stuck with it no matter what happened on the field. The HPU didn't come up with the 'pass it to Samu' backline move and they didn't decide it was the only move they needed. They didn't decide to get the forwards to run at outside shoulders and when it didn't work they didn't make the decision to keep doing it.
The person who made these decisions and pissed off people throughout the organisation, players and staff, was the head coach.
He has to go. As Juan Cote says
#sackgraham
Use it. And use it often.
The person who made these decisions and pissed off people throughout the organisation, players and staff, was the head coach.
He has to go. As Juan Cote says
#sackgraham
Use it. And use it often.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
^^^
Well said Sully.
The 'review the HPU element' is just being used as a smokescreen to offer the maximum possible protection to RG, and maybe to undermine JC somewhat by his new detractors on the board.
The right HPU as to core staffing etc should not be something any RU board micro manages and has to 'independently' review with committees etc.
The HPU should be designed by a competent HC and competent franchise CEO.
As I've posted elsewhere, a genuinely top-notch new HC will surely have major concerns re joining Ballymore if he considers the Reds HPU will be in some way part-designed by a board of directors and/or micro managed by it.
The current Reds HPU is in a mess due to a very poor HC coupled with a CEO that did not understand HPU design and over-delegated its creation and supervision to that poor HC.
Well said Sully.
The 'review the HPU element' is just being used as a smokescreen to offer the maximum possible protection to RG, and maybe to undermine JC somewhat by his new detractors on the board.
The right HPU as to core staffing etc should not be something any RU board micro manages and has to 'independently' review with committees etc.
The HPU should be designed by a competent HC and competent franchise CEO.
As I've posted elsewhere, a genuinely top-notch new HC will surely have major concerns re joining Ballymore if he considers the Reds HPU will be in some way part-designed by a board of directors and/or micro managed by it.
The current Reds HPU is in a mess due to a very poor HC coupled with a CEO that did not understand HPU design and over-delegated its creation and supervision to that poor HC.
no, I deleted his post too and all others that weren't relevant to the topic.
Beer Baron
Phil Hardcastle (33)
Agree with the overall sentiment - but it may difficult for HC to organise the HPU if he is a ring in (from UK for example). The obvious response being that he doesn't have to know the staff but if involved in the selection...
however as well see at work many peoples CV's are a bit out of step with their competency and hence the reason people nearly always first go to someone they know (who is suitable).
Whilst I would like the HC to be appointed ASAP (or to have already have been appointed), I am not concerned by the appointments.
I'm glad they extended Stiles as I feel he has deserved it. As it has been suggested, he may end up head coach anyway.
Damian Marsh? An absolute proven performer. The sooner he's back involved with the boys the better. It could be argued that a HC is entitled to fill this position himself, but it was pretty crucial for us to get the right guy and I'd suggest that Marsh as proven himself to be 'right enough'.
Brad Thorn will only play a bitza role with the Reds, having more a role with the Academy / youth side. Regardless, there would be few who would question the potential in Thorn's presence around Ballymore. It may even act as an inducement.
Crapper? Well, I'd suggest (hope?) that Marsh was involved in that appointment and so he should be. I think the appointment of the team physio is a key part of the S&C guy's role as it is the HC. And God knows we need a team physio at Ballymore at the moment. No point waiting for the HC to start.
So in all, I think we all agree we'd love to have the new HC on board now however I don't think any of these positions are a threat to the new appointment. Assuming we still have two positions to fill (defence and attack/skill) and that one of these will be the HC, then I think the new HC should have a substantial say in that other person's appointment.
Until that happens, I'm not too concerned with what has been announced.
More concerned about what hasn't been announced.
I'm glad they extended Stiles as I feel he has deserved it. As it has been suggested, he may end up head coach anyway.
Damian Marsh? An absolute proven performer. The sooner he's back involved with the boys the better. It could be argued that a HC is entitled to fill this position himself, but it was pretty crucial for us to get the right guy and I'd suggest that Marsh as proven himself to be 'right enough'.
Brad Thorn will only play a bitza role with the Reds, having more a role with the Academy / youth side. Regardless, there would be few who would question the potential in Thorn's presence around Ballymore. It may even act as an inducement.
Crapper? Well, I'd suggest (hope?) that Marsh was involved in that appointment and so he should be. I think the appointment of the team physio is a key part of the S&C guy's role as it is the HC. And God knows we need a team physio at Ballymore at the moment. No point waiting for the HC to start.
So in all, I think we all agree we'd love to have the new HC on board now however I don't think any of these positions are a threat to the new appointment. Assuming we still have two positions to fill (defence and attack/skill) and that one of these will be the HC, then I think the new HC should have a substantial say in that other person's appointment.
Until that happens, I'm not too concerned with what has been announced.
More concerned about what hasn't been announced.
Thinker
Darby Loudon (17)
I'm a big fan of Stile's work at set piece, but rugby is (unfortunately for us piggies) more than set piece. Stiles has been at Graham's side for every step of his journey. He would have one of the worst records of all assistant coaches in Australian rugby history.
I don't have a problem with his appointment, but the head coach should have been appointed first.
I don't have a problem with his appointment, but the head coach should have been appointed first.
Thinker
Darby Loudon (17)
I wonder if the board made half the effort in appointing RG as they have in reviewing him, if we would have avoided this all together.
Serious question: can anyone recall any sport, anywhere, that has re-appointed a coach with such a poor record (arguably the worst of all-time)? Not just didn't sack the coach, but actually re-appointed?
We could be looking at history.
Serious question: can anyone recall any sport, anywhere, that has re-appointed a coach with such a poor record (arguably the worst of all-time)? Not just didn't sack the coach, but actually re-appointed?
We could be looking at history.
yep, and I'd also suggest the approach to the break down is driven by the broader game plan, ie what the HC wants them to do.
you including his time at Kubota Spears? Seems a pretty grand statement. What sort of stats do you have to back it up?
you including his time at Kubota Spears? Seems a pretty grand statement. What sort of stats do you have to back it up?
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