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Sunny

Ted Fahey (11)
Got a copy at home, not on me now.
Off the top of my head, there are 2 games a day.
Sunday finals will be different with a cross over, 1A V 2B -1Bv 2A
Think winners of those games will play off for final.
 

Chris Green

Frank Nicholson (4)
Got a copy at home, not on me now.
Off the top of my head, there are 2 games a day.
Sunday finals will be different with a cross over, 1A V 2B -1Bv 2A
Think winners of those games will play off for final.
Yea same as last years format. I was interested in seeing the draw as they are saying it's not been released till Thursday 2nd. Keen to see what teams are ended up on which side of the draw, should be be some interesting match ups in games
 

Sunny

Ted Fahey (11)
Yea same as last years format. I was interested in seeing the draw as they are saying it's not been released till Thursday 2nd. Keen to see what teams are ended up on which side of the draw, should be be some interesting match ups in games
Seem the same as last year, I think tho, at the end of the rounds the top team from pool A and B played off in the final.
This year the top 2 in both pool A and B get a shot at making the final.
 

Chris Green

Frank Nicholson (4)
Seem the same as last year, I think tho, at the end of the rounds the top team from pool A and B played off in the final.
This year the top 2 in both pool A and B get a shot at making the final.
Top 2 teams sounds like a better way to do it, anyway you can post the pools ?
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
So Rugby Spirit has 9 Easts boys in his city squad and Gary Owens has 7 in his XV. If you both know the age group so well, you will know that the Easts side has been well beaten by Riverside and Nerang, narrowly defeated Souths and beat GPS by 1 point. Why do you think Easts will dominate the city side? Tiger eyes or other influences?
To be fair ....

Easts dominated around 70% of possession and field position against Riverside in their 1st round match up yet it was a 4 tries to 2 result to Riverside at halftime. Easts forwards dominated. The difference was Riverside got 5 touches to their winger for 3 tries and Easts outside backs , and most significantly , the cover lines that should have been coming from their 6 or 8 wasn't there. And this was the story of the 2nd half as well , but with , Riverside forwards making a better fist of it as the bigger Easts tight 5 began to fade.

The story of the Easts v Nerang game was mainly about a State League kid that has been recently recruited by Nerang. He scored 3 on the day and looked like he won one on one match ups against his ex State League teammate in the Centres ( who probably figures to be in the mix for City selection ) but not only that , again , the bigger Easts pack whilst very good in the set piece and very good at flooding the breakdown and pushing teams off the ball ( off the back of their exceptional #7 who slows the play down long enough for his big boys to get there ) - aren't that great moving laterally off the pillars or in cover lines . The consequence of this is that they can give up a lot of points against a slick backline like Nerang who , IMO , has the best 10 in U13 Rugby by a country mile.

So Easts have their advantages and are a bloody good team however I think their mobility in the forwards goes against them . If City selectors are looking at size as a predominate factor then this may not matter much.

And speaking of mobility ( and athleticism ) Souths best in the tight 5 ( in this category ) didn't make Pink or any other team which I reckon is outrageous . In Souths win over Riverside he was a factor ....a kid bouncing back to his feet after a tackle around the pillar and then sliding across in the next sequence to snuff out mid field thrust from Riverside's talented midfield. In Souths v Nerang game he nearly runs down aforementioned State League kid in a runaway try after giving him a 10m headstart. He made a similar chase in cover against Easts Centre in Souths v Easts game and catches him and puts him down .

GPS ? Yes it was a one point result against Easts , they have beaten Souths twice, and were in the game with a a 14 - 5 result at half time against Riverside.Riverside ,to their credit ,got out on a quick jump in the 2nd half with a couple of quick tries to their winger before the adjustment was made and cover lines shut him down . It was the same result at half time against Nerang - where GPS were in the game at half time,however, GPS were missing a key forward and there were no reserves after their winger does his ACL and one of their centres gets knocked out / concussed. Add to this - one of their forwards plays the whole game with a fractured wrist that occurred the prior day in a school trial.

This underscores the toughness of the GPS forward pack who are probably the most underrated forward pack in the Division 1 comp. I don't believe there is a forward pack that has bested them this year - and there are clear reasons for that based around individual ability and how well they fit each other .

Yes, there have been some homerism comments from a poster who seems to be involved specifically with them in some capacity , however as a unit they have been great

The interesting observation on GPS is while they have been right in the mix against Easts , Souths and Riverside ( they just didn't have the guns against Nerang for reasons already mentioned ) they haven't been able to put away Brothers and Sunnybank as the better teams have done . If you look at the for and against they have struggled to score points this season - which is not to say they haven't got excellent scoring options on their team - they have . But for whatever reason they haven't been able to get it done against teams they should have put 40 points on

I trust this gives you a more balanced view on things Prince Henry
 

Tashara

Larry Dwyer (12)
To be fair ..

The story of the Easts v Nerang game was mainly about a State League kid that has been recently recruited by Nerang. He scored 3 on the day and looked like he won one on one match ups against his ex State League teammate in the Centres ( who probably figures to be in the mix for City selection ) but not only that , again , the bigger Easts pack whilst very good in the set piece and very good at flooding the breakdown and pushing teams off the ball ( off the back of their exceptional #7 who slows the play down long enough for his big boys to get there ) - aren't that great moving laterally off the pillars or in cover lines . The consequence of this is that they can give up a lot of points against a slick backline like Nerang who , IMO , has the best 10 in U13 Rugby by a country mile.

Taking nothing away from your point that Easts have a very good forward pack, the story about Nerang's good win against Easts was mainly won in the forwards. In fact; the entire forward pack won the Man of the Match that day - go the forwards!! Nerang knew Easts had a very good forward pack and they themselves had not been performing well up front in the previous two games. A great deal of work was done at training to improve this. What the SL player did offer was the option for the coach to move 13 to 8. 13/8 has been a dominate forward in the 8 position on the coast for years and was no stranger to playing there and went on to score two trys in this game. Nerang 7 also had an amazing game and these two were the better of the Nerang forwards. With Nerang forwards not only winning ball, but winning quick ball; 10 was then allowed to play his game and feed the SL player playing at 12. 12 in essence was the tip of the sword so to speak and made the most of what was made for him. Definitely an all round team performance that day.

It was Nerang's best game in the forwards this year and was the reason they won the game - the backs determined by how much. East's reputation in the forwards can be thankful of that, but on any given day it can be about who turns up. I have no doubt Easts will bounce back up front in our next encounter because as you say GO; Easts have a very good and big tight five which would benefit any team let alone a City one.
 

The Adjudicator

Frank Nicholson (4)
Pools:
13s;
Pool 1: Gold Coast Blue(GCB), Bris Pink(BP), Bris Blue(BB), Darling Downs(DD), North QLD(NQ),
Pool 2, GC Gold(GCG), Bris Orange(BO), Bris Green(BG), Sunshine Coast (SC), Central QLD (CQ),
14s,
Pool 1, GCB, BP, BB, DD, NQ,
Pool 2, Northern Territory (NT), BO, CQ, BG, SC, GCG,
16's;
Pool 1, BG, NQ, SC, DD,
Pool 2, BB, NT, GC, CQ
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
Taking nothing away from your point that Easts have a very good forward pack, the story about Nerang's good win against Easts was mainly won in the forwards. In fact; the entire forward pack won the Man of the Match that day - go the forwards!! Nerang knew Easts had a very good forward pack and they themselves had not been performing well up front in the previous two games. A great deal of work was done at training to improve this. What the SL player did offer was the option for the coach to move 13 to 8. 13/8 has been a dominate forward in the 8 position on the coast for years and was no stranger to playing there and went on to score two trys in this game. Nerang 7 also had an amazing game and these two were the better of the Nerang forwards. With Nerang forwards not only winning ball, but winning quick ball; 10 was then allowed to play his game and feed the SL player playing at 12. 12 in essence was the tip of the sword so to speak and made the most of what was made for him. Definitely an all round team performance that day.

It was Nerang's best game in the forwards this year and was the reason they won the game - the backs determined by how much. East's reputation in the forwards can be thankful of that, but on any given day it can be about who turns up. I have no doubt Easts will bounce back up front in our next encounter because as you say GO; Easts have a very good and big tight five which would benefit any team let alone a City one.
All excellent points Tashara and I was trying to condense what was already becoming a long post . And whilst I didn't see the whole game , yeah , it seemed evident that a few more boys in your forward pack , that to be fair , had been a bit up and down in their consistency ( notwithstanding their obvious talent ) turned up to play.

And with go forward upfront , of course , 8 had the luxury of playing like a free safety ( to borrow a NFL analogy ) and created opportunities together with 10 that 12 was the end beneficiary of

I guess the broader point I was making ( and without talking specifically of the entirety of Nerang's best players ) was that it seemed Easts midfield defense , their cover lines and the pillar defense fell away in the 2nd half - as I have seen the same thing happen against other teams . Whilst they have great size and set piece competitiveness I think they need more from the rest of the forward pack beyond 7 and 4/8 in addressing these things defensively where they can be vulnerable and what the Bulls found out
 

Prince Henry

Fred Wood (13)
Yah. All good points. The majority of my tips re : Easts were in the forwards . Reality ? I would probably cull two of the Easts boys, however , I originally had 75% to 80% true merit and 20% to 25% rep picks - kids who will probably get selected on name

On this score , I would cull 2 of Easts , 2 of Riverside and 1 of South

A lot of it depends how you want to build your team , for example , if you have 3 x ball runners in your team at Prop , Lock and 8 , then you really should be looking for the best pilfer / jackal type at 7 , even better if you have another one of these types as your other lock who is also an outstanding line out option and is a perfect counter balance to your other ball running lock . And then at your Prop you should be looking for a mobile dirty worker and your 6 should be a tackling machine around the pillars and in cover lines to complement your pilfering 7 and your ball running 8 who does it better than everyone else
It would be disappointing to see boys picked on name and not on what they do against their competition. I'm not as familiar with each and every player as you seem to be but in later posts you acknowledge the ability and toughness of the GPS forwards unit, so my comments were to ask why there wasn't more boys considered from that pack in your selections if it is as good as many people tell me.
 

Prince Henry

Fred Wood (13)
To be fair ..

Easts dominated around 70% of possession and field position against Riverside in their 1st round match up yet it was a 4 tries to 2 result to Riverside at halftime. Easts forwards dominated. The difference was Riverside got 5 touches to their winger for 3 tries and Easts outside backs , and most significantly , the cover lines that should have been coming from their 6 or 8 wasn't there. And this was the story of the 2nd half as well , but with , Riverside forwards making a better fist of it as the bigger Easts tight 5 began to fade.

The story of the Easts v Nerang game was mainly about a State League kid that has been recently recruited by Nerang. He scored 3 on the day and looked like he won one on one match ups against his ex State League teammate in the Centres ( who probably figures to be in the mix for City selection ) but not only that , again , the bigger Easts pack whilst very good in the set piece and very good at flooding the breakdown and pushing teams off the ball ( off the back of their exceptional #7 who slows the play down long enough for his big boys to get there ) - aren't that great moving laterally off the pillars or in cover lines . The consequence of this is that they can give up a lot of points against a slick backline like Nerang who , IMO , has the best 10 in U13 Rugby by a country mile.

So Easts have their advantages and are a bloody good team however I think their mobility in the forwards goes against them . If City selectors are looking at size as a predominate factor then this may not matter much.

And speaking of mobility ( and athleticism ) Souths best in the tight 5 ( in this category ) didn't make Pink or any other team which I reckon is outrageous . In Souths win over Riverside he was a factor ..a kid bouncing back to his feet after a tackle around the pillar and then sliding across in the next sequence to snuff out mid field thrust from Riverside's talented midfield. In Souths v Nerang game he nearly runs down aforementioned State League kid in a runaway try after giving him a 10m headstart. He made a similar chase in cover against Easts Centre in Souths v Easts game and catches him and puts him down .

GPS ? Yes it was a one point result against Easts , they have beaten Souths twice, and were in the game with a a 14 - 5 result at half time against Riverside.Riverside ,to their credit ,got out on a quick jump in the 2nd half with a couple of quick tries to their winger before the adjustment was made and cover lines shut him down . It was the same result at half time against Nerang - where GPS were in the game at half time,however, GPS were missing a key forward and there were no reserves after their winger does his ACL and one of their centres gets knocked out / concussed. Add to this - one of their forwards plays the whole game with a fractured wrist that occurred the prior day in a school trial.

This underscores the toughness of the GPS forward pack who are probably the most underrated forward pack in the Division 1 comp. I don't believe there is a forward pack that has bested them this year - and there are clear reasons for that based around individual ability and how well they fit each other .

Yes, there have been some homerism comments from a poster who seems to be involved specifically with them in some capacity , however as a unit they have been great

The interesting observation on GPS is while they have been right in the mix against Easts , Souths and Riverside ( they just didn't have the guns against Nerang for reasons already mentioned ) they haven't been able to put away Brothers and Sunnybank as the better teams have done . If you look at the for and against they have struggled to score points this season - which is not to say they haven't got excellent scoring options on their team - they have . But for whatever reason they haven't been able to get it done against teams they should have put 40 points on

I trust this gives you a more balanced view on things Prince Henry
Yes, it's been a season with some unexplained results. Perhaps injuries, the adjacent AIC season for some of the contingent and away form is to blame? GPS could turn that around in round 2 with most games at home. Thanks for the balance and corrections/edits to your earlier views. Will watch out for your opinions post the carnival. PH
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
It would be disappointing to see boys picked on name and not on what they do against their competition. I'm not as familiar with each and every player as you seem to be but in later posts you acknowledge the ability and toughness of the GPS forwards unit, so my comments were to ask why there wasn't more boys considered from that pack in your selections if it is as good as many people tell me.

I totally agree with your opening comments Prince , however , people often see different things . For example , a poster commented a page or two back about another poster's QRU projections about how the loose forwards were strong defensively and strong over the ball. I saw something completely different that was the complete opposite of that poster's comments . I saw 2 x strong ball runners that are probably the best regarded as loose forward ball runners (certainly out of those I talk to ) yet they are both not strong over the ball from what I see and outside of some decent cover lines one of them runs I could think of stronger overall defenders and those that are better in breakdown rugby .

But you are right... ...and I have conceded that the GPS team is a bloody good team and their forward pack in particular is quality and quite underrated around the traps. I also gave ups as to how well they're balanced and how well they complement each other.

It's also worthwhile noting that the Marist U13 team won the AIC competition and there is obviously a heavy Marist influence in the GPS forward pack. I would have thought that there is at least 1 maybe 2 Marist / GPS forwards that deserve to be in the conversation and would probably go very close .

So I already had 2x GPS players in my 23 and this may well be unfair in representation and I guess it could go to 4 ....depending .....but I don't think one of the Marist / GPS Props who probably should be in the mix made it onto the Green Team...so probably not.

I assume 13 forwards will be selected - 6 of whom will be front rowers / hookers , 3 x locks - one of whom can cover 8 or 6 , 2 x specialist 7's and a starting 8 and 6 . Is 2 too few ? Is 4 too many ? Who knows ? The only thing that ultimately matters is what the selectors think
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
Quote Garry Owen - "This underscores the toughness of the GPS forward pack who are probably the most underrated forward pack in the Division 1 comp. I don't believe there is a forward pack that has bested them this year - and there are clear reasons for that based around individual ability and how well they fit each other .

Yes, there have been some homerism comments from a poster who seems to be involved specifically with them in some capacity , however as a unit they have been great."


GO, interesting observations on the GPS forward pack. One could only imagine how dominant they would be if they weren't carrying the number 7 like you and your friend Peter Parker have stated.
Imagine the lofty heights this pack could achieve if they didn't rely on their individual talent and had some coaching. Perhaps we could get the Easts coach over to GPS to give our coach a lesson or 2?

Why the attitude dude ?

I have made no comment on anyone carrying anybody . I simply said in response to the flame up between you and Peter Parker ( who I don't know ) that his response was commensurate to the outrageousness of your initial comments . And I did think your initial comments were outrageous and I note that you have no chosen to delete that post.That didn't mean any " diss" to the qualities of the No 7 you are championing who is a fine player . You have chosen to take it as an insult.

There was / is an attempt at a mature and balanced discussion .

I'm not sure how or why you have woven a Coaching "diss" into your reply at all. I don't recall saying anything at all about the Coaching . After complementing the team ( which includes Coaches ) and noting the array of talent I simply referenced a head scratching fact that GPS didn't put away Brothers and Sunnybank like the other top teams did . I don't know why this is the case but I do know I never said anything or inferred anything about Coaching

If you read my posts you will note I don't slag people and I try and be honest and objective .

Perhaps the problem is yours and how you feel about things if you've taken it the way you have and respond in the way that you do and have which is why you've had strong response from others that rankle with you.

Cheer up bud - it's only Rugby
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
Apparently the playing apparel is super sized

Must have been designed by this guy


Hope its not too windy for the weekend
 

Prince Henry

Fred Wood (13)

Tashara

Larry Dwyer (12)
U13 Qld State Champs Final Positions:

1. Brisbane Blue
2. Brisbane Green
3. Brisbane Pink
4. Sunshine Coast
5. Nth Qld.
6. Gold Coast Gold
7. Brisbane Orange
8. Darling Downs
9. Gold Coast Blue
10. Central Qld.
 
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