Ledesma keen to stay in Oz
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If you cannot acknowledge the good work Stiles has done with the Reds and Brisbane City scrum then please stay out of any future discussions involving forward packs.
Greg Holmes had his bags packed for retirement before Stiles came along and brought him back to a level where test selectors couldn't ignore his form.
Both Ledesma and Stiles are both very good scrummaging coaches and it will do Australia well if they are both retained in coaching roles for for the next few years.
Greg Holmes had his bags packed for retirement before Stiles came along and brought him back to a level where test selectors couldn't ignore his form.
Both Ledesma and Stiles are both very good scrummaging coaches and it will do Australia well if they are both retained in coaching roles for for the next few years.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
Well at least someone agrees with me on something.
Such heated defence for Stiles must be worth something. I'll put my prejudice aside and watch with a fresh mind in the future.
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Billy Sheehan (19)
The Reds have been average. And I mean average as in average and not as in bad.
Talakai got found out with an easily identifiable fault, feet too far back. He was pinged multiple games for it and there never seemed to be any technique change. I know Talakai is very young but that is poor coaching by Stiles there.
Persisted with Fainga'a at hooker despite playing terribly. Finally gave Hanson a chance half way through the season after his bench cameo's became impossible to ignore. Hanson is now on his way to the Rebels who have Leafa who is better than Fainga'a. Why would Hanson leave?
Daley is probably the worst he has ever been.
Slippers foot work and body height is sub par. He fails to keep a straight back and a lot of the times at risk of dropping his bind or even being driven up in the air by the TH if a good shove gets put on.
Greg Holmes is playing well. He attributes that to more weight work in the last 2-3 years though also credits a lot of work with Stiles. If a prop is crediting more weight work then the coaching and s+c was way off in years gone past.
Stiles is the forwards coach, not the set piece coach. The Reds have been quite woeful at the rucks. Gill stands out so much because he's pretty much the lone ranger out there.
Schatz is a passenger while he had Thompson playing out wide when he was needed in close. You can only afford to send a back rower out wide if you're putting up a good contest in the rucks.
There's people with their fingers closer to the pulse than me so if they can share their opinions we can have a discussion.
Talakai got found out with an easily identifiable fault, feet too far back. He was pinged multiple games for it and there never seemed to be any technique change. I know Talakai is very young but that is poor coaching by Stiles there.
Persisted with Fainga'a at hooker despite playing terribly. Finally gave Hanson a chance half way through the season after his bench cameo's became impossible to ignore. Hanson is now on his way to the Rebels who have Leafa who is better than Fainga'a. Why would Hanson leave?
Daley is probably the worst he has ever been.
Slippers foot work and body height is sub par. He fails to keep a straight back and a lot of the times at risk of dropping his bind or even being driven up in the air by the TH if a good shove gets put on.
Greg Holmes is playing well. He attributes that to more weight work in the last 2-3 years though also credits a lot of work with Stiles. If a prop is crediting more weight work then the coaching and s+c was way off in years gone past.
Stiles is the forwards coach, not the set piece coach. The Reds have been quite woeful at the rucks. Gill stands out so much because he's pretty much the lone ranger out there.
Schatz is a passenger while he had Thompson playing out wide when he was needed in close. You can only afford to send a back rower out wide if you're putting up a good contest in the rucks.
There's people with their fingers closer to the pulse than me so if they can share their opinions we can have a discussion.
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Fortunately the experts see things a little differently to you PJM..
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in any case, lets hope we never see a repeat of this
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Billy Sheehan (19)
If we just left it at what the experts say we wouldn't need a forum.
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Herbert Moran (7)
Clearly, Ledesma is not doing that because of money. In our country, we have many scrum coaches, so I think he's waiting for his turn in the national team. Meanwhile, he works with the best people who hire him, and that is Australia. He had other offers, but he accepted the aussie one. I really want him and Gonzalo Quesada as coaches for Argentina Super Rugby team.
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Mark Ella (57)
Great point TOCC. The Reds scrum this year has been a shining light in what was otherwise a poor Reds season.
Dan Palmer has also been doing a great job with the Brumbies. There scrum has had it's up's and downs this year but otherwise it has performed very well - at least when Sio was back.
Not taking anything away from Ledesma, but his job was a lot easier then previous scrum coaches who has to work with the "Benn's".
Sio, Slipper, Moore, TPN, Kepu and Holmes were all scrummaging very well at super level before Ledesma came along.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
To be fair...........
A number of Wallaby props, Ben Alexander included, have scrummaged extremely well at Super Rugby level for a number of years...........
And yet the Wallaby scrum remained poor.
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The more 'scrum doctors' we have in the country the better
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Bill Watson (15)
^^^^ this and to have them all singing the same song, 8 men, 16 feet in unison!!! No more freaking meer-cats is a beautiful thing.
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