Where to for Super Rugby?

[Strewthcobber]

- Elsom and Cox in conversations re a sale (why would Cox consider selling at all after only 2 years if the Rebels is a viable investment?)

Isn't the more interesting question, from a viability point anyway, ia why Rocky is willing to buy?

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[blues recovery]

Wondering if Rockys little play includes his co owners at Narbonne of which Bob Dwyer is one .
One of the other guys involved Chris Bayman has been sniffing around the Rebels for sometime and during the time of Harold Mitchell's ownership was pitching himself as a CEO/ saviour of the club.
This group seems to have done a pretty good job at Narbonne .
For the life of me can not fathom how the Cox /ARU deal could possibly not require absolute ARU sanction for a change in ownership . If it doesn't it would again prove the monumental incompetence at St Leonard's .
Judging by their recent form I guess anything is possible .

 

[Twoilms]

Pokies are the absolute worst things.

 

[Highlander35]

Most logical reasoning​ behind relative radio silence from Cox.

Selling because it doesn't make business sense to retain, but maintaining the promise that the club won't be wound up if sold because he's not human garbage.

I'd back the Warriors against the Kings or the Cheetahs though. Australian teams are trash.

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[wamberal]

I good friend who grew up in Vic - loves AFL.
His son plays soccer - he likes soccer.
He's been living on the Norhern Beaches now for a number of years now. I took him to his first game of rugby last year - first home game in the SS.
Week prior he hopped on google to try and understand the rules.
He hasnt missed a home game since.
Enjoys the atmosphere, the experience, and the relaxing afternoon - he said whilst it is a different game club rugby captures the community like the AFL does.

Have our governing bodies lost touch with the community, if they were more involved could the support and player base grow?

Dave,


No doubt if we could get everybody who lives within a reasonable distance of a club like yours to attend a few games we would be better off.


On the other hand, look at Gordon. A very accessible home ground plumb in the middle of Chatswood. Anybody who lives, shops, or works anywhere near it must know that there is something happening every second Saturday during winter.

Where are they? This would be a pretty good test case - especially given that Gordon claims to have the largest number of junior players in Australia in their catchment. Where are they and their parents?

 

[Quick Hands]

Sadly, we in Australian rugby have a Chairman who thinks his national body has done quite a competent job so far of the process of culling a Super team, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary as our code spirals further into disrepute and community detachment.

What hope is there for even the beginnings of creative national innovation in rugby playing structures and such like (as so ably mentioned in these pages) when we have a board whose self-definition and sense of honesty appears wholly uncoupled with reality?

The ARU board must be reformed before rugby's potential can be meaningfully revived and re-liberated in this country.

As the newly dynamic Sydney RU explore with their Brisbane club counterparts, a state of origin type game using players from the Sydney and Brisbane club competitions. (i.e. no super players). Game to be played in June (starting 2018) televised on channel 7 FTA.

Note that the SRU receives no funding from the ARU and was disafiliated from it at the last ARU AGM.

 

[Strewthcobber]

As the newly dynamic Sydney RU explore with their Brisbane club counterparts, a state of origin type game using players from the Sydney and Brisbane club competitions. (i.e. no super players). Game to be played in June (starting 2018) televised on channel 7 FTA.

Note that the SRU receives no funding from the ARU and was disafiliated from it at the last ARU AGM.

Why was the SRU ever affiliated with the national body and not the NSWRU?

Did it allow those direct grants etc in the past?

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[RedsHappy]

Interesting article.

Much kudos to Rocky for his desire to buy into Australian Rugby. Happy that he's picked Melbourne, but why hasn't he also looked at the Force?

To your second point, who said anything about a sale? This might tie in with the theory that Blues Recover shared yesterday, where Cox could be looking for additional investors in order to 1) share the financial load, and; make it hard for the ARU to buy back in (barriers to exit and all that stuff.).

If Cox didn't need the ARU's permission to sell, I would be gobsmacked. Still, Rocky could invest in ISM (licence holder) and effectively take control of that company? That would probably get around any caveat that the ARU have on the sale?

The article I drew from, FWIW, solely refers to the notion of a sale from Cox to Elsom, there is no mention of 'investment partnering'. But that does not mean your point could not be valid in this odd soup of a process as it unfolds:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...m/news-story/d6c6a8afd08cb2291bd1dac22a4ddc61

 

[Slim 293]

Slim 293 there are not many pokie machines in bars in the city (maybe because of the casino) but in the suburbs they are everywhere.

Possibly............. I've only lived within 5-10km of the city and have never seen them outside of the odd gaming pub.

It's more rampant in Sydney though - Melbourne pub scene infinitely better.

** Getting a bit off topic though.

 

[oztimmay]

The article I drew from, FWIW, solely refers to the notion of a sale from Cox to Elsom, there is no mention of 'investment partnering'. But that does not mean your point could not be valid in this odd soup of a process as it unfolds:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...m/news-story/d6c6a8afd08cb2291bd1dac22a4ddc61

I know, I read the same article.

I attempted to join a discussion thread, started by Blues Recovery (I think) yesterday), that other MRRU board members invested in ISM. This may indicate that Coxy is not looking to sell. My theory on this; he's looking to add more to the negotiation table, thus making it an unattractive for the ARU to negotiate with multiple vendors. Barriers to entry (from ARU perspective).

Could be completely wrong, but with the myriad of theories floating about, ANYTHING is possible.

 

[wamberal]

The only thing that does not seem possible is for all stakeholders to act together, in harmony, for the benefit of the game.

Self-interest, back-biting, and cupidity rule the roost.

 

[formerflanker]

More along the lines of 'where to for Australian rugby".
Dick Marks has an excellent piece in todays Australian, including this:
The worst mistake O’Neill made was to shut off outside involvement in his administration by disbanding all the advisory committees, including the National Coaching Committee. He believed the only expertise he needed was all in-house. The reality was that just about all of the rugby brains were to be found in lucrative outside professions, careers and businesses.
What Russ Tulloch neglected to mention in his recent article in The Australian was that the one person who did guide the CEO was a highly paid consultant who, when pressed, had to admit that even when in the middle of his initial rugby review, he had never been to as much as a Sydney club game.
He appears to be a closet GaGR contributor.

 

[wamberal]

Very interested to note that one of the items Marks mentions that he would like to see talked about at the summit is "law changes".

 

[RedsHappy]

^^^^ someone should repeat the whole article here, it's a gem and reveals greatly as to the genesis of many of the code's severe problems today.

 

[RedsHappy]

Very interested to note that one of the items Marks mentions that he would like to see talked about at the summit is "law changes".

Has this delightful textual moment led you to experience what, in hippie jargon, is known as a 'natural high'?

 

[wamberal]

^^^^ someone should repeat the whole article here, it's a gem and reveals greatly as to the genesis of many of the code's severe problems today.

Absolutely. People who like to blame the current administration for everything that is "wrong" with the game are so far wide of the mark that it is actually a bit sad.


The situation we are in today is the product of a number of factors, some of them are totally outside our control. Ditto the successes we had, particularly during the nineties.


To get out of our current situation will require a lot of concerted work and sacrifice. Above all, it will necessitate the setting of achievable goals.


There is absolutely no point in shooting for the sky.

 

[wamberal]

Has this delightful textual moment led you to experience what, in hippie jargon, is known as a 'natural high'?

No, it just reinforces the point that both Marks and I have been around for a long time.

 

[I like to watch]

Absolutely. People who like to blame the current administration for everything that is "wrong" with the game are so far wide of the mark that it is actually a bit sad.


The situation we are in today is the product of a number of factors, some of them are totally outside our control. Ditto the successes we had, particularly during the nineties.


To get out of our current situation will require a lot of concerted work and sacrifice. Above all, it will necessitate the setting of achievable goals.


There is absolutely no point in shooting for the sky.

I think most critics lay most of the ARU's woes on JON, not the current mob.

I think Billy P has done some good things, but this current saga has his fingerprints all over it, and it's just not credible to describe the the ARU's performance in this significant issue,as anything but incompetent.

 

[Highlander35]

Complain all you want about the laws, but the game is growing more or less everywhere but Australia and NZ, and the latter is because its pretty much reached saturation point.

If you can't spot the crazy person on public transport, well, guess what.

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[Twoilms]

Complain all you want about the laws, but the game is growing more or less everywhere but Australia and NZ, and the latter is because its pretty much reached saturation point.

If you can't spot the crazy person on public transport, well, guess what.

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Getting a bit off topic now aren't we? Could probably start a 'Rugby - Existential Naval Gazing' thread and discuss laws and the way the game is played elsewhere.