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2017 Schools Debating (NSW)

Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by ca1cu1us, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. ThatWasTheJoke Peter Burge (5)

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    I definitely think that could be said
  2. Shortrep Peter Burge (5)

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    Round 5 GPS 1sts Results

    Scots def. Shore
    Joeys def. Newington
    High def. Riverview
    Grammar def. Kings

    Table

    5 Wins - High
    4 Wins - Scots
    3 Wins - Grammar, Joeys, Riverview
    1 Win - Kings, Newington
    0 Wins - Shore

    Round 6 Fixtures - Topic Area is ethical issues

    Shore v Newington
    High v Scots
    Joeys v Kings
    Grammar v Riverview
  3. BringHomeTheBacon Bob McCowan (2)

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    The CAS representative teams are as follows:

    CAS Firsts
    1. William Solomon (Barker)
    2. James Price (Knox)
    3. Julian (Cranbrook)
    4. Bill Pan (Knox)

    CAS Seconds
    1. Thomas Lukic (St Aloysius)
    2. Catherine Ku (Barker)
    3. James Kapaniris (Trinity)
    4. Angus Mullins (Waverly)

    I'm assuming CHS teams will be finalised soon, and then all that's left is Archdale, although I believe the Archdale Firsts team is largely predictable.
  4. #1 Rugby Fan Bob McCowan (2)

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    Archdale is in
    1sts:
    1. Ella Finlay (MLC, 12)
    2. Jade Lin (PLC Sydney, 12)
    3. Isabella Monardo (Kincoppal, 12)
    4. Adelaide Hayes (4th Speaker) (Monte, 11)
    2nds:
    1. Winnie Yuan (Abbotsleigh, 11)
    2. Sophie Mok (Pymble, 10)
    3. Ruby Adler (SCEGGS, 11)
    4. Maddy Rogers (Abbotsleigh, 12)
    (speaking order TBD)


    3rds: Prashana Comarasamy (Tara), Anna Ho (SCEGGS), Allegra McCormack (Kambala), Anna Brew (MLC) and Georgia Cooper (Monte) (Speaking order TBD)

    Will be an exciting reps season
  5. ThatWasTheJoke Peter Burge (5)

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    High sweep Scots in seniors

    Which means High are the GPS 1st Premiers for the 3rd consecutive year in a row!
  6. Blueandwhite4ever Frank Row (1)

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    this years reps debates look to be really interesting!

    of note is that james price is captain of the cas team despite being only in year 10. as far as i can tell this is first non year 12 since bo seo and the first year 10 ever. i wonder how this will impact the chances of the cas 1sts team.
  7. Shortrep Peter Burge (5)

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    1sts Debating Results Round 6

    Newington def. Shore
    High def. Scots
    Joeys def. Kings
    Grammar def. Riverview

    1sts Debating Table

    6 Wins - High
    4 Wins - Scots, Joeys, Grammar
    3 Wins - Riverview
    2 Wins - Newington
    1 Win - Kings
    0 Wins - Shore

    Therefore, going into the final round, High have won the 1sts comp.

    2nds Debating Results

    Newington def. Shore
    High def. Scots
    Joeys def. Kings
    Grammar def. Riverview

    So all the same results as in firsts

    2nds Debating Table

    5 Wins - Scots, High, Grammar
    4 Wins - Shore
    2 Wins - Riverview, Newington
    1 Win - Joeys
    0 Wins - Kings

    Therefore, going into the final debate, the winner of Scots and Grammar will win the 2nds comp, possibly joint with high if they beat Shore

    Final Round (Round 7) GPS Fixtures - Topic Area: Science in Society

    Shore v High
    Scots v Grammar
    Riverview v Joeys
    Newington v Kings
  8. Tuamasaga Bob McCowan (2)

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    Two out of the three coaches for CAS Reps are from Knox - their 1sts Head Coach and Newington old boy Clyde Welsh and their Oratory MIC and Aloys old boy Ben Jackson who have no doubt had significant say in the selections. This could explain why Knox has 2 people in the 1sts despite losing to both Barker and Cranbrook. With that being said, we all know how unreliable CAS adjudicators are, especially given there are only 5 rounds, and how much pressure there is from the schools to have a diverse representation. The Reps debates, after all, are virtually meaningless in terms of higher honours.
  9. Tuamasaga Bob McCowan (2)

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    I don't understand how the selection system works for High boys. Are the best speakers chosen for CHS instead? If so, is there a particular reason why CHS is prioritised over GPS?
    Also, could anyone explain why the choices are strange? I'm completely clueless about GPS debating and just wanted to know if it's a regular occurrence for strange selections to be made, or if this particular year saw some questionable selections.
  10. Shortrep Peter Burge (5)

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    I'm pretty sure the High speakers are first eligible for CHS and then those that don't make it are eligible for GPS. I think the CHS team might just be considered more prestigious, a bigger school of public than GPS schools.
  11. #1 Rugby Fan Bob McCowan (2)

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    To add to Shortrep, I think High debaters are able to choose whichever one they would like to do, and CHS trials are very early as they have more training sessions than the other rep teams, so as a High debater you'd probably trial for CHS, and if you got in you'd take it and if not you'd hope for GPS. There is also an element of prestige, noting CHS and Archdale co-won last year.

    GPS selects by senior 1sts adjudicators, whilst CHS and Archdale do trial debates where the coaches select, probably because there is a bigger pool of schools for the two and it's hard to know all the debaters in them. I think CAS works like GPS?
  12. Tuamasaga Bob McCowan (2)

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    Yes, the teams are supposedly selected by the adjudicators, but the coaches have the final say. So the top 3 highest scoring speakers throughout the season don't necessarily and don't often make up the 1sts. And I think that's fair enough, for the reasons I've stated before. I think a trial system sounds great, but pressure from Trinity, Cranbrook and Waverley means that it will likely never happen.
  13. ThatWasTheJoke Peter Burge (5)

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    Coaches selecting could be a bit unfair as you'd think the schools with the best coaches, Barker and James Leeder, Grammar and Nick Chung, would end up with those individuals having disproportionate influence due to their rep in selections. I don't see a problem with speaks as long as it done over the whole Season, so as to avoid a situation where that school has the toughest opposition last e.g. Scots this year having High/Grammar last, which can sometimes makes them look artificially better.
  14. Tuamasaga Bob McCowan (2)

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all three NSW coaches also Grammar coaches? Same story in Queensland, from what I hear. I guess you've just got to hope they select with integrity, and I'm sure all coaches make sure that they don't pull off anything too ridiculous.
  15. don't h8 just deb8 Stan Wickham (3)

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    Yet they still can't win a competition!
  16. BringHomeTheBacon Bob McCowan (2)

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    CHS Teams finalised,
    Firsts
    1. John Bivell
    2. Elinor Stephenson
    3. Sophie Shead
    4. Nicole Kagan

    Seconds
    1. Alex De Araujo
    2. Hugh Bartley
    3. Indigo Crosweller
    4. Emily Kim

    Here's to a great round of reps debates
  17. errybody_talks Stan Wickham (3)

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    Sydney Boys High have beaten Shore in 1sts (unanimously) and 2nds which means they are Champions and Co-Premiers respectively.

    This means that High 1sts have won the GPS for three years in a row and have not lost a GPS debate since 2014.
  18. don't h8 just deb8 Stan Wickham (3)

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    Captain ever-illustrious must be happy. I never thought Bartley could carry on from the Shortridge era but it appears that with a bit of luck (a lot of luck) in scheduling they've managed to once again dispatch with the rest of the GPS.

    You'd think that surely Yim will steal back the title next year, but if his teammates can't cope when he's away then having the country's best speaker means nothing for Grammar.

    Do we have a result for Archdale?

    CHS selections are. interesting. Does anyone even know who John Bivell is though? I guess we'll find out in the next two weeks! My money's on Archdale.
  19. Tuamasaga Bob McCowan (2)

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    My predictions:
    1sts:
    Archdale
    CHS
    GPS
    CAS
    2nds:
    CHS
    Archdale
    GPS
    CAS
  20. ThatWasTheJoke Peter Burge (5)

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    One's
    Archdale
    GPS
    CHS
    CAS
    2nd's
    CHS
    Archdale
    CAS
    GPS

    That 2nd's CHS team is stacked and wouldn't be surprised if they went 9-0

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