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AUS v IND ODI Series 2016

Discussion in 'Cricket' started by Quick Hands, Jan 11, 2016.

  1. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Helmets have arguably had the biggest impact on batting. It has made the hook and pull shot playable without much risk of severe injury. In T20 it also makes shots like the ramp shot practical.

    Certainly players practice the new shots ad infinitum to be able to play them in matches.

    As you said, they also practice hitting the ball in the air a lot more and actively trying to hit sixes.
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  2. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    In all professional sport, players these day are much physically stronger than players of yesteryear. Very few players 30 or 40 years ago would have done weights or any form of strength training, players would generally practice the skills needed for their game and do some fitness type work on the side.

    As the test scores from the last 2 seasons indicate, it's the pitches which are the probelm - the one and only exception was the Adelaide test of this year where the curator was instructed to leave grass on the pitch so as not to damage the pink ball.

    AUS v IND - Adelaide 2014
    AUS 7/517 & 5/290
    IND 444 & 315

    AUS v IND - Brisbane 2014
    IND 408 & 223
    AUS 505 & 6/130

    AUS v IND - Melbourne 2014
    AUS 530 & 9/318
    IND 465 & 6/174

    AUS v IND - Sydney 2015
    AUS 7/572 & 6/251
    IND 475 & 7/252

    AUS v NZ - Brisbane 2015
    AUS 4/556 & 4/264
    NZ 317 & 295

    AUS v NZ WACA 2015
    AUS 9/559 & 7/385
    NZ 624 & 2/104

    AUS v NZ Adelaide 2015 (day night pink ball)
    AUS 224 & 7/187
    NZ 202 & 208

    AUS v WI Hobart 2015
    AUS 4/583
    WI 223 & 148

    AUS v WI Melbourne 2015
    AUS 3/551 & 2/176
    WI 271 & 282

    AUS v WI Sydney 2016 (rain affected and still inept WI score over 300)
    WI 330
    AUS 2/176

    Way too many scores over 500 there.

    If I was England, NZ and South Africa, I'd have the dynamic lifter and hoses working overtime. If I was a subcontinental nation, I'd be preparing slow turners which broke up after day 3.
  3. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Saw an interesting question on another forum - have test cricket skills got worse over the last couple of decades and us it the only sport in the world in which that is the case?

    Not going to help them win here though...

    I'd be spending my effort developing tall fast seamers and spin bowlers that aren't mediocre. Address the real issue - why can Australia bowl teams out on these roads but the opposition can't?

    There has been some terrible filth bowled by opposition teams here over the last few years
  4. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    From what I can see most teams have almost given up on winning away and just prepare pitches to win at home.

    Our bowlers and our batsmen play on theses pitches all the time and as the nature of Australian pitches evolves, so do the skills and attributes of the players. Same goes for players from England, South Africa et al. Curiously the bowlers who appear mediocre here are quite good elsewhere - noting also that our batsmen seem less than superhuman on English and sub-continental pitches and our bowlers aren't so good either. Note how few scores over 500 in these series compared to recent series in Aust.

    ENG v AUS - Cardiff 2015
    ENG 420 & 289
    AUS 308 & 242

    ENG v AUS Lords 2015
    AUS 8/566 & 2/254
    ENG 312 & 103

    ENG v AUS Edgbaston 2015
    AUS 136 & 265
    ENG 281 & 2/124

    ENG v AUS Trent Bridge 2015
    AUS 60 & 253
    ENG 9/391

    ENG v AUS The Oval 2015
    AUS 481
    ENG 149 & 286

    IND v AUS Chennai 2013
    AUS 380 & 241
    IND 572 & 2/50

    IND v AUS Hyderabad 2013
    AUS 9/237 & 131
    IND 503

    IND v AUS Chandigarh 2013
    AUS 408 & 223
    IND 499 & 4/136

    IND v AUS Delhi 2013
    AUS 262 & 164
    IND 272 & 4/158

    So the bogans out there may well think that we are invincible based on our heroics on these flat pitches, but there's another world out there where we seem just as ordinary as everyone else.

    As a lover of sport and fair play, I find what's going on with these pitches embarrassing. It would be akin to playing the All Blacks on a skinny field with a muddy cricket pitch in the middle to try to negate their attacking skills.
  5. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Surely it would be more akin to us widening the pitch against a side like England so we could more easily run around them?

    Do you have any issue with England juicing up their pitches to suit themselves? Or is it only a problem if you increase the challenge to opposition bowlers and not the batsmen?

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  6. Highlander35 Paul McLean (56)

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with putting out pitches which won't swing or spin, and trying to play into the hands of the National side, that's fine, but the widkets are 100% Batsmen favouring. I think Johnson and Harris as a prime pair would be struggling somewhat to take wickets on the roads, and there's not even been the bounce, variational or otherwise for someome like Lyon to use to his advantage.
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  7. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    The pitches are absolutely most of the issue. You can't prepare some of the roads we've seen over the last few seasons and expect good cricket. Australia used to be the last bastion of variety in pitches and preparing sporting tracks that gave bat and ball a roughly even go. Not any more. It's bullshit.
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  8. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    As an Australian, I have an issue with us doing what we're doing. I like to win, but I like to win in a fair contest. I don't think what we are doing is in the long term interest of Australian cricket, as we are going to find it more and more difficult to win away if our cricketers are all brought up in one set of conditions. Once upon a time there was a far greater difference between the test venues in Australia. WACA fast and bouncy, Gabba green and moved around, Melbourne started off fast and deteriorated into low and slow, Sydney started off fast and then spun from about day 3, Adelaide started off fast, flattened out for a couple of days good batting and then broke up. I can recall very few over 500 scores (almost none declared with 3 or 4 down).

    We like to consider ourselves the best in the world, let's set an example.

    Are England juicing up their pitches, or is it just a place where it rains for half of the summer?;)
  9. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Australia in the middle of an El Nino summer isn't going to have much rain either!

    In a similar vein playing tests in v early November in Brisbane like we do now days - often isn't hot enough yet to get the bounce and it isn't wet enough for the movement.

    I just think that with all of the criticism of the pitches we miss one of the real problems - how shit the opposition bowling has been.

    Again, as an example I was at the first day in Brisbane and I haven't ever seen such loose bowling in day 1 of a test. The kiwis were terrible, and it came though in that ridiculous stat - just 1 maiden all day. It wasn't the pitch that was the problem
  10. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    The Kiwis were seriously underdone for the 1st test and they did have a poor first day with the ball - I'd agree with that.
  11. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Getting rid of the toss and letting the away side choose whether they bat or not will make a big difference in my opinion.

    It will increase the likelihood of curators preparing roads that provide a much better chance of winning to the team batting first.
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  12. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Pitch is another flat one today but man the Indians don't help themselves.

    Finger spinners don't very rarely succeed in Australia. Surely the team statitcian knows this? And yet they keep bringing them out here and they keep getting smashed.

    Jadeja has 4 wickets in 10 games here, Ashwin 4 in 7. Both average over 90 at 6 an over.
  13. No4918 John Hipwell (52)

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    Sending Marsh in early isn't looking like the best idea with his slow start. Aus in danger of getting a great start and failing to capitalise ala india in the first 3 games. 9 overs left and would prob need 70-80 runs and get up to 320 at least from here.
  14. Highlander35 Paul McLean (56)

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    Just short of 350 is a decent score. Still should have been 380 odd. That lull between the wicket of Warner and the wicket of Finch really took the foot off the accelerator. Thank god for Smith and Haxwell.
  15. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Aussie's turn to bowl filth while attempting to defend a decent total.

    Hastings looking like the only international od standard bowler out there at the moment

    Still a meaningless game when you've already won the series is the time to find this stuff out.
  16. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Couple of wickets in Hastings tenth over is due reward for some pretty quality bowling on this flat track.

    Slight chance weight have a game here but the other bowlers will have to prove plenty
  17. Beer Baron Bill McLean (32)

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    Mr Richardon appears to have proved something. 2 big wickets , but the often underestimated ability to stop the tail wagging.

    How we would love a McGrath-esque bowler with an economy ~3RPO
  18. Highlander35 Paul McLean (56)

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    Rabbit out of the hat. How the bloody hell did they do that. Still should have had 380 to defend rather than 350.
  19. qwerty51 George Gregan (70)

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    Ballsy of the Indians to pull that off amidst what's broken in the tennis world recently.. punters aren't complaining though.
  20. Brian Westlake Arch Winning (36)

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    That is quite cynical @qwerty51. ;)

    I am with you 110% on this one. A run a ball with 7 wickets in hand?
    Somewhere along the lines of " Back me for a 6 or out" as they walked out to bat.
    Truly disgusted that the Indians have made a mockery of the game.
    In saying that, the Westlake men are venturing in on the weekend. I will just have to keep an ear out on the visitors change room and I might be able to pay off the mortgage

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