Aussie Player Exodus

[Riviera274]

Many. He's in great form.

But beyond the conscious decision to declare himself ineligible, he's not doing it in the toughest competition in the world.

Had he been displaying this form with the brumbies, or the Force, or whichever Soup side, it would be an aberration to not be selected. But he's not, so the point is moot.

 

[Riviera274]

We'll....it's a moot point...any objective argument on whether the Waratahs would beat Toulon? I.e. any evidence that Super is superior to HC

 

[Riviera274]

here are three Australian rejects who have "torn it up" in EuroTrash rugby:
Dan Parkes
Chris Malone
Brock James

can anyone add to the list, so we can see how easy it is to star "over there"?

Can't really recall any ' tearing up' over here. No one ever rated them other than
Competent workhorses

 

[Highlander35]

The three Nations that compromise Super Rugby have continuously occupied the top 5 spots since before anyone can be bothered remembering. For the majority of the time, that's the top 4, if not the top 3. 100% of current All Blacks and Wallabies play in Super Rugby, as do about 70% of the Springboks.

Following on from that, the travel is the biggest of pretty much every non international comp. An Eastern State Side travels the distance of European countries 3 times a season, plus the equivalent of a return flight from London to Moscow, just within the conference. Then 2 trips to New Zealand and a tour of South Africa.

Next season, the Force make 3 of those LON/MOS flights, plus a tour of New Zealand and one of South Africa, within a period of 18 weeks!

To deny that Super Rugby is superior to European Rugby is like being a "climate skeptic". You're entitled to that opinion, but the facts, and anyone with a modicum of sense, disagree with you.

 

[Biffo]

We'll..it's a moot point.any objective argument on whether the Waratahs would beat Toulon? I.e. any evidence that Super is superior to HC

there have been quite a few meetings between Soup and Yurope teams that play in the Heineken Cup.
the results have been very one-sided - the Soup teams have flogged 'em.

the Waratahs would massacre Toulon.
those creaking old blokes from Toulon simply could not go the pace.

PS. btw, get a new sponsor for that competition.
the brew after which it is named is as weak as the rugby played in it.

 

[Slim 293]

I won't bore you with all the multiple opinions..you sound kinda bored with
Objective opinions

I am kinda bored with your trolling.........

 

[Riviera274]

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there have been quite a few meetings between Soup and Yurope teams that play in the Heineken Cup.
the results have been very one-sided - the Soup teams have flogged 'em.

the Waratahs would massacre Toulon.
those creaking old blokes from Toulon simply could not go the pace.

PS. btw, get a new sponsor for that competition.
the brew after which it is named is as weak as the rugby played in it.

Agree about the sponsor.

Can you advise when a Super winner ever played an HC winner....it's never happened so the argument has no facts.

 

[Riviera274]

The three Nations that compromise Super Rugby have continuously occupied the top 5 spots since before anyone can be bothered remembering. For the majority of the time, that's the top 4, if not the top 3. 100% of current All Blacks and Wallabies play in Super Rugby, as do about 70% of the Springboks.

Following on from that, the travel is the biggest of pretty much every non international comp. An Eastern State Side travels the distance of European countries 3 times a season, plus the equivalent of a return flight from London to Moscow, just within the conference. Then 2 trips to New Zealand and a tour of South Africa.

Next season, the Force make 3 of those LON/MOS flights, plus a tour of New Zealand and one of South Africa, within a period of 18 weeks!

To deny that Super Rugby is superior to European Rugby is like being a "climate skeptic". You're entitled to that opinion, but the facts, and anyone with a modicum of sense, disagree with you.

This sounds like an argument for localism. From your statement you could extrapolate that Federer never won the U.S. Or Australian open, that England couldn't win the RWC in 2003; that Australia had no hope at any world events. It
ain't necessarily so that travel dominates sporting results.

 

[Lee Grant]

here are three Australian rejects who have "torn it up" in EuroTrash rugby:
Dan Parkes
Chris Malone
Brock James

can anyone add to the list, so we can see how easy it is to star "over there"?

Chris Malone? That's funny.
.

 

[Lee Grant]

Can't really recall any ' tearing up' over here. No one ever rated them other than
Competent workhorses

Well Brock is a bit on the wane now but was more than competent for Clermont for 5-6 years.

How much Top 14 rugby do you actually watch?
.

 

[Train Without a Station]

This is from the independent in the UK

James has never won a full cap for Australia, but his form for Clermont Auvergne earns him status as one of the most accomplished No.10s playing the game. From January 4 to March 28, 2009, he scored 41 place kicks in a row, a new record for the Top 14, and his percentages this season have been up in the 90s. He also knows how to get the best out of the array of talent outside him with his long range passing and pinpoint cross-field kicks. A hugely underrated player, but adored in France.[\quote]

Sounds like the certainly consider him a journeyman over there.

 

[Riviera274]

Well Brock is a bit on the wane now but was more than competent for Clermont for 5-6 years.

How much Top 14 rugby do you actually watch?
.

Pretty much every week....except he when I wander down to watch Irish or Exeter

 

[Highlander35]

Get the basic stuff right. Nail your key areas (Kicking for fly halves, scrumming for props, lineout play for locks etc.), keep the errors low, be relatively durable. and you'll have a good career in Europe.

 

[Biffo]

Chris Malone? That's funny.
.

i thought you'd like it
...
really

 

[Riviera274]

I am kinda bored with your trolling...

I'm not much of a Troll.....but when you live in Europe you constantly get this background noise...We're superior...what do Antipodeans know?....We invented everything...etc.etc...but never any factual basis for English or European superiority. After all - based on the last 100 years - they're terrible at government, not much good at sport, and inclined to lose military conflicts without American help.

So to see the same one eyed approach from SH about rugby sounds far too English- what an insult that is.

One of these days HC winner will play Super winner ( say in Japan), and we'll
know.

What I do know is that the Giteau of 2014 is twice the player of 2010 and I see him do things perhaps only Cooper on ah good day can replicate...and Cooper is very good on his day ( say Wales in February)

 

[Riviera274]

i thought you'd like it
.
really

Great knockout tackler and yellow/red card collector....possibly the best in Europe

 

[Riviera274]

This is from the independent in the UK

Is he the best player to come out of Victuoria....or just the only one?

 

[Train Without a Station]

Is he the best player to come out of Victuoria..or just the only one?

Not really relevant to the discussion at all.

 

[Highlander35]

I dunno. Maybe one Sir Edward "Weary" Dunlop?

A bloke called Ewen McKenzie wasn't too bad either.

Mr Digby Ioane is a Vuc too.

Nice wee collection currently in Soup too. Tapuai, Lilo, Siliva, Gray.

 

[Riviera274]

J

Not really relevant to the discussion at all.

Just asking? Never seen a rugby match in Melbourne....saw Bob Cowper at school so perhaps he's the only other Vic rugby player of note