Bob Dwyer: Lions are Cheats

[Slim 293]

I figured this deserved a thread of its own:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s-says-bob-dwyer/story-e6frg7o6-1226664122873

WORLD Cup-winning former Wallabies coach Bob Dwyer has made a deep and detailed study of the way the British and Irish Lions play but there is only one word that will resonate on the other side of the world, so let's get straight to it.​

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Cheats.​

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[jollyswagman]

Great job Bob! If it does nothing but stir the buggers up and get the ref's attention to the issues, then mission accomplished.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

Well they have been called up for a couple of obstructions from memory. And their scrum has been given plenty of advice from the refs. The thing about most of these is that they don't always have an impact on the game, so there is no reason to ping most of them. (just play on)

Good observations though, something to keep an eye on. Before everyone jumps on some 'Gatland is a cheat' wagon though, keep in mind the Wallabies haven't lost to Wales in years so we must be doing something right, or the cheating doesn't work very well.

Also, Wayne Smith only gets 9/10 this time around for his law exam.

And don't get Dwyer started on the Lions' offside play. Let's just say he has grave doubts that any of them are aware of the concept of being offside at the tackle contest.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Well they have been called up for a couple of obstructions from memory. And their scrum has been given plenty of advice from the refs. The thing about most of these is that they don't always have an impact on the game, so there is no reason to ping most of them. (just play on)

Good observations though, something to keep an eye on. Before everyone jumps on some 'Gatland is a cheat' wagon though, keep in mind the Wallabies haven't lost to Wales in years so we must be doing something right, or the cheating doesn't work very well.

Also, Wayne Smith only gets 9/10 this time around for his law exam.

Isn't this a reference to law 15.6 (d):
(d)
At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.



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[Scotty]

I agree with his point about pushing up in the scrum on the second shove. Ironically though this is exactly what the waratahs seemed to do vs the crusaders at the end of that game.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Finally someone in the Oz media stands up to the Fleet street rubbish.

Well Played Bob. So it is back to Deuce. Fleet Street to Serve.

 

[Dan54]

Gee, Bob Dwyer has a moan about how an opposing team is playing!! It's hardly anything new from Bob.

 

[Dai bando]

Isn't this a reference to law 15.6 (d):
(d)
At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.



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I was of the opinion that if you tackled someone you can retrieve the ball from any where you don't have to go behind to pick it up, if you're not the tackler then yes you have to come in from your side of the tackle

 

[Dai bando]

I started to read it but 1/3 of the way through was laughing so much tears formed in my eyes and I couldn't see to read any more, good old Bob always good for a laugh

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I was of the opinion that if you tackled someone you can retrieve the ball from any where you don't have to go behind to pick it up, if you're not the tackler then yes you have to come in from your side of the tackle

Spot on Dai.

The thing that the tackler (and there can only be one person designated as the tackler, even when two players make the tackle - bit tricky there) needs to do, is make a "clear release" of the tackled player before contesting for the ball. They are within their rights to contest for the ball from where ever they happen to be - potentially from what many would incorrectly state is an offside position.

In the last couple of seasons the referees have been insisting on the tackler flapping their wings like a drunken albatross to demonstrate that they have released the tackled player before going in for the pilfer/"not releasing the ball sir" penalty. This has turned things in favour of the attacking side and reduced the effectiveness of players like Pocock at the breakdown.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

So we are agreed that Wayne Smith was correct in that it is definitely possible to be offside at the tackle.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Before the maul or ruck is formed, only the tackler is "allowed" to be "offside", everyone else in the breakdown contest must approach from their side.

Technically there is no "gate" until the ruck or maul is formed - when players from opposing teams are bound over the ball.

 

[TSR]

I started to read it but 1/3 of the way through was laughing so much tears formed in my eyes and I couldn't see to read any more, good old Bob always good for a laugh

Which part was making you laugh more - that Bob Dwyer noticed a rugby side was flouting the laws (hardly an isolated incident there) or that he had concentrated his observations on the opposition rather than the team he supports. I am not holding my breath for any prominent coach/supporter to go to the media with a list of things he thinks the ref should watch in his own team.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought there was a direction that the tackler also had to return on-side before competing for the ball. I seem to remember Richie McCaw being penalised for off side when he was the tackler on the odd occasion last year. Or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

 

[lewisr]

pay back for the 'spying' claims?? What is a Lions (or any rugby) tour without some classic media accusations

 

[ACR]

"One comment I'd like to make after having seen the Lions in action on tour is that it doesn't come as any surprise they're coached by a New Zealander because they play outside the laws of the game as every New Zealand side does." - Bob Dwyer

We love you too Bob, xoxo.

 

[TSR]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought there was a direction that the tackler also had to return on-side before competing for the ball. I seem to remember Richie McCaw being penalised for off side when he was the tackler on the odd occasion last year. Or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

No, tackler can play the ball without returning to his side so long as he gets to his feet first and plays the ball before a ruck is formed. However, this doesn't apply to the tackle assist, or a defender who doesn't go to ground with the tackle (and is therefore not defined as the tackler).

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

Isn't this a reference to law 15.6 (d):
(d)
At a tackle or near to a tackle, other players who play the ball must do so from behind the ball and from directly behind the tackled player or the tackler closest to those players’ goal line.



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It might be. But I hope they aren't seriously suggesting that the Lions have a bad habit of entering the tackle from the wrong side.

I mean, sometimes the Lions take up that space between the ball and opposition on purpose, but that is offside in general. And it isn't something I've noticed as a major trend. Maybe Bob will write a blog soon and put all of this into his own words.

 

[Braveheart81]

This is good trolling by Bob.

A sign of a good troll is that his primary target was the Lions yet he still managed to inflict substantial collateral damage on New Zealand.

 

[Rassie]

Gee, Bob Dwyer has a moan about how an opposing team is playing!! It's hardly anything new from Bob.

"One comment I'd like to make after having seen the Lions in action on tour is that it doesn't come as any surprise they're coached by a New Zealander because they play outside the laws of the game as every New Zealand side does." - Bob Dwyer

We love you too Bob, xoxo.

lol
But at least he moan and point out some of the tactics used. Its just using a ugly word like cheating every time that gets everyone upset.