Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by Braveheart81, Apr 30, 2012.
Are you talking to Hawko, or all the other Tahs fans who made no comment about Pollock?
In fairness to Red Baron, Hawko referred to "we Waratahs fans" a number of times in his posts on this thread.
Nonetheless, in the absence of a poll, best not to lump us all together.
Most waratahs fans don't hate any ref, we gave up long ago trying to get a fair go.
Haha they're all out to get you guys.
Personally, apart from Kaplan, none really bother me. They all have shockers at times, but the inexplicable stats of the Tahs with Kaplan mean that, for whatever reason, we are cursed with him in charge. I just don't think the two should meet.
I don't think Refs mean to hate you guys, I just think your side is very difficult to like. Akin to that bloke at the pub who means well, but just gets too loud and people just don't want to sit with him anymore.
This will be an absorbing game, though not necessarily a cracking game. There are so many things of interest to Aussie rugby fans: particularly the impact of the result on the Conference table and the respective performances of Wallabies candidates.
The result is important to both teams, but more so for the Tahs methinks. In the real world you don't usually make the finals of anything if you lose once after the siren and twice by one point, in nine games, especially if you play only 16 games in the pool stages. Teams who make the finals usually win those matches and if they get to play teams who are struggling at the minute like the Blues and the Lions and they don't have to play teams like the Crusaders and Stormers, it is better still.
No correspondence on that please: the Brumbies have deserved everything they have earned this season and have put a smile on the dial of this old rugby fan. The Tahs have not earned anything- I'm just explaining why I think the result is more important to the Tahs. Since they are still to visit the RSA, they have to win everything that is going, but in particular the 3 games left against the Brumbies and the Reds.
On current form, sinking all those putts is unlikely.
There has been episodic good play from the Tahs in recent games, including against the Crusaders, but there haven't been enough episodes. Like all teams the Tahs have had players absent but the effect of the sudden unavailability of 15. Foley and 13. Horne on the defensive game of the Tahs was conspicuous against the Crusaders.
If the devil promised coach Foley 33 points against the Crusaders before the game he would have signed off on it, but the Saders scored 37. The Tahs centres and AAC didn't connect very well, and though the Crusaders had one such defensive misadventure themselves, the Tahs had too many of them.
The unhappy defensive performance of Tom Carter has been well documented in the forum, but young Kingston was also culpable. Once, inexplicably, he propped to defend against Dagg who was always going wide, and thereby suffered AAC to stay in, leaving a gap where AAC should have been. Try.
Horme missed a lot of tackles this year but typically they were from rushing up and missing opponents who went inside for team mates to scrag, The Tahs were on their heels too much last Sunday. Horne would have made a difference.
The Brumbies will also endeavour to profit from the lack of connection of the 12, 13 and 15 of the Tahs, and I would give Kudriani a lot of time to exploit it. He is no Freuan, but is the closest to it that the Brumbies have.
Mea culpa. "We" is drawing a long bow. My opinion, mine only probably, is that Kaplan is in a world of his own when reffing the Tahs. I think Smith is trying to become Kaplan with his reffing of the Reds game last year and his line work this year. I think Bryce Lawrence is bad for whoever gets him and Pollock is not as bad but suffers the same issues. What gets me is that we seem to have cornered these officials in a competition that only has 16 rounds. Maybe that is just dumb luck and we'll get some good ones for the rest of the comp, but I'm not holding my breath.
Paranoia is allowed, everyone has the right to be crazy.
I always wonder whether this is beacuse AAC feels more comfortable as outside center rather than as a wing or just lack of feeling with Carter and Horne/Kingston within Waratahs gameplan
That's perfect, I would only like to add that the Brumbies also need to find a reliable kicker, they can't afford to lose all the points they could score after a try or a penalty.
Reminded of the words of Gnarls Barkley's 'Crazy':
"And when you're out there
Yeah, I was out of touch
But it wasn't because I didn't know enough
I just knew too much
Does that make me crazy?"
So, perhaps you just know too much Hawko. Sometimes, as per Gnarls, that does make you crazy. Crazy smart.
You're talking about the token Queenslander at a Sydney pub right?
I really think this game, for many of the reasons given above, combined with my own impartiality regarding the two teams, will depend on the rub of the ball.
I can see a draw on the cards, so that's where my tipping is going.
Agreed - or alternatively, the bounce of the green.
Lol thank god for no Steve Walsh. He should never be allowed to ref a brums vs tahs clash ever again unless he promises to tip the scales in favor of brums to make up for his last fk up.
There are some great match-ups in this game with a theme of the old versus the new so I think it might get a bit willing. I'm looking forward to the contest between Barnes and Lealiifano, and the front row contest will be a cracker.
I would like to know what the Waratah's playing group and hierachy say privately about Kaplan. The lack of public criticism of him suggests they don't think he is such a big issue.
Definitely a game of massive match ups from a Wallaby perspective.
Robinson and Kepu vs Alexander and Palmer.
Polota-Nau vs Moore
Dennis and Palu vs Mowen and Vaea/Auelea
McKibbin vs White
Barnes vs Lealiifano
Carter vs McCabe
Ashley-Cooper vs Mogg
That vignette from Vinny Munro makes me continue to wonder why he's not reffing at the top level, for both SANZAR and in tests.
No shoes, no shirt, no service. Wouldn't get in.
not really, wouldn't be in their interests to say anything publicly
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