CAS expansion

[SonnyDillWilliams]

I would be interested to read season reviews ...from some of those bygone years ... we were robbed stories, etc

that 81 Waverley team was good ... one of my cousins played around that time

if memory serves me correct it featured Brad and Matthew Burke and Tim Kava


Brad Burke was born in Sydney in 1963 and went to Waverley College, which was one of the great influences on the running game at Randwick in particular. Arthur Hennessey had been the coach there, and some of the pupils he influenced were Cyril Towers and Wally Meagher.
A halfback who was the brother of Matthew Burke and the son of rugby league international Peter Burke, he made the Australian Schoolboys team before moving on to the Randwick Club.
Brad Burke was unlucky in that outstanding players like Nick Farr-Jones, in particular, was at his peak, and Peter Slattery, but this did not daunt him. In 1985 he appeared for Australian Universities against Fiji (24-26). This is where a few others would make it to the big-time:- Greg Martin, Rob Egerton, Jeff Miller, Brendan Nasser, Michael Cook, David Nucifora and Andy McIntyre. He also played for NSW 'B' that year. Ricky Stuart, of later rugby league fame, and Brian Smith were other halfbacks endeavouring to make the top slotwww.aru.com.au/wallabies/TheTeam/HistoricalWallabiesPlayerProfile.aspx?pid=412


Can someone jog my memory as to who were the stars of Cranbrook 82?

 

[Tahs247]

Would anybody be game enough to name there Waverley team of the century? Wouldn't be a easy thing to do.

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

I would argue that Nick Farr- Gone was far from outstanding ... and Brad Burke was better .... however Alan Jones loved him, and so none of the other half-backs were ever going to get a look in.

The half back I rate the best of that era, didn't even get a mention

 

[sidelineview]

Would anybody be game enough to name there Waverley team of the century? Wouldn't be a easy thing to do.

Of the century?

 

[Tahs247]

Of the century?

Well say the last 30 or so years.

 

[red son]

Hi White line fever
Agree we agree to disagree.
I have never argued that St Pats and St Pius were part of the CAS. What as far as I know happened was that for the years in question they were included in the rugby draw.

For example, Round 1 of 1979 was W v A, K v T, B v C, SPC v SPX.

Now it becomes interesting because Round 2 was W v SPX, C v T, A v K, SPC v B. Now if SPC and SPX were not in the draw, W should have played B. Otherwise both W and B would have had byes. Which wouldn't make too much sense.
Round 3 draw was W v C, SPC v K, A v T, B v SPX.
Round 4 was B v K, A v C, SPC v W, T v SPX
and so it went on for 7 rounds. Why have 7 rounds if only 6 schools are playing? Should only be 5.

You may be right that even though SPC and SPX were in the draw it was never intended that the could win CAS rugby. But remember that at that time there was no formal competition.

On the point that Barker didn't play SPX, there have been occasions were games between CAS schools were washed out and not replayed. This did not invalidate the comp for that year because a game was not played.

It is more of an issue for St Aloysius supporters as they feel that they were the winners in 1979 (Played 7 won 6 lost 1) Having only lost to Waverley. As you know Waverley lost to St Patricks and drew with Trinity. So in the 7 games they won 5, lost 1, drew 1). In CAS only games they won 4, drew 1.

But you are correct that officially (on the CAS site) Waverley won in 1979.

The discussion about SPC and SPX is just a footnote in history. Of interest to rugby tragics like my self.

 

[sidelineview]

Well say the last 30 or so years.

This is a start. Aussie schoolboys


2016 – Tyzac Jordan (Babarians)
2013 – Nick Koutsoukis (Babarians)
2012 – Jack Johnson (Babarians)
2010 – Jed Holloway
2004 – Shaun Foley (Schools) Sam Rutherford (Babarians)
2003 – Dylan Sigg (Schools) Shaun Foley & Alex Hanaford (Babarians)
2002 – Martin Darby
2000 – Morgan Turinui
1999 – Morgan Sigg, Tim McCann & Morgan Turinui
1997 – Ryan Cross & Adam Freier
1996 – Ryan Cross
1990 – Troy Jacques & Michael Misson
1988 – Michael Towns
1987 – Jason Weber
1985 – Phillip Shaw
1984 – Glen Taylor
1983 – Peter Cinelli, David Hagan, Franco Lagudi & Iido Tomasiello
!981 – Brad Burke, Matthew Burke & Tim Kava
1980 – Paul Bowman

1979 – Andrew Ugarte

 

[Rich_E]

Well say the last 30 or so years.

Here's a start for a Scots team from last 30 years or so, with a couple of reserves...

1. TBA
2. TBA
3. TBA
4/5 Tom Bowman, Warwick Waugh and Sam Carter
6 Dave Carter and Richard Stanford
7. Stewart Pinkerton
8. Tim Gavin
9. TBA
10. Brock James
11. Henry Veratau
12. David Howitz
13. Jim Stewart
14. TBA
15. Andrew Kellaway

And one from complete left field, Colin Scots. Would have been interesting to see how far he would have progressed in rugby. Made oz schools in 1981 before going to NFL where he played defensive end

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

Sideline .... you are slipping ... Tim McGann.... with a G.

Ryan Cross was unstoppable ... as a schoolboy

Stephen Hoiles?

Someone told me Owen Finnegan was deadset hopeless at school ... certainly when he was younger..... was the story. Won't say it to his face though.

Didn't Scots produce that bloke .... Colin Scotts ... played in the NFL?

Think $cots had some good props in 87 and that year they bought the premiership

 

[sidelineview]

How's this SDW?

Waverley Aussie Schoolboys

2016 – Tyzac Jordan (Barbarians) - Scrum half
2013 – Nick Koutsoukis (Barbarians) - Hooker
2012 – Jack Johnson (Barbarians) - Flanker
2010 – Jed Holloway - Lock
2004 – Shaun Foley (Schools) Fullback; Sam Rutherford (Barbarians) - 2nd Row
2003 – Dylan Sigg (Schools) - 2nd Row; Shaun Foley - Fullback & Alex Hanaford (Barbarians) - ?
2002 – Martin Darby - Scrum half
2000 – Morgan Turinui - Centre
1999 – Morgan Sigg - Lock; Tim McGann - Flanker & Morgan Turinui - Centre
1997 – Ryan Cross - Centre & Adam Freier - Hooker
1996 – Ryan Cross - Centre
1990 – Troy Jaques - Lock & Michael Misson - ? Wing ?
1988 – Michael Towns - Wing
1987 – Jason Weber - 2nd Row
1985 – Phillip Shaw - Scrum half
1984 – Glen Taylor - Centre
1983 – Peter Cinelli - Fly half, David Hagan - ?, Franco Lagudi - Hooker & Iido Tomasiello - ?
!981 – Brad Burke - Scrum half; Matthew Burke - Centre & Tim Kava - 2nd Row
1980 – Paul Bowman - ?
1979 - Andrew Ugarte - Prop
1974 - Thomas Walsh - ?
1969 - Steve Finnane - Prop

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Others have had a go at this before. Food for thought.

Chatting with a few mates over the weekend about waverley's horror season and turned to talk of better times, this is a side of wav graduates. few omissions there dave brown.

Maybe other cas schools can name heir sides?

15 Ryan Cross
14 Michael Cleary
13 Morgan Turinui
12 Luke Ricketson
11 Tom English
10 Cyril Towers
9 Brad Burke
8 Stephen Hoiles
7 Jed Holoway
6 Owen Finegan
5 Troy Jaques
4 Tim Kava
3 Sam Talaki
2 Adam Frier
1 Steve Finnane

Take the speculation about the best ever XV to the thread below.
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/the-best-xv-of-players-from-any-school.6865/

 

[sidelineview]

Others have had a go at this before. Food for thought.
Pete King said: ↑

Chatting with a few mates over the weekend about waverley's horror season and turned to talk of better times, this is a side of wav graduates. few omissions there dave brown.

Maybe other cas schools can name heir sides?

15 Ryan Cross
14 Michael Cleary
13 Morgan Turinui
12 Luke Ricketson
11 Tom English
10 Cyril Towers
9 Brad Burke
8 Stephen Hoiles
7 Jed Holoway
6 Owen Finegan
5 Troy Jaques
4 Tim Kava
3 Sam Talaki
2 Adam Frier
1 Steve Finnane​

Take the speculation about the best ever XV to the thread below.
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/the-best-xv-of-players-from-any-school.6865/

Done

 

[White line fever]

Hi Red Son,

There were 7 games at the end to ensure a long enough season.
This meant that when the CAS season finished, it closely coincided with the GPS end of season, and then the combined teams, including CHS, would play each other.

Throughout the age groups we always played Pats, never Pius, and it was always just before our CAS comp proper.
The reason there were 2 unofficial games in the middle of the CAS season was a timing issue, ie some of us eg Aloys and Waverley played some QLD schools eg Nudgee and Terrace at the time we would usually play Pats.

I can assure you we were told that if we won in that last game against Barker our team photo would go up on the wall in the pavilion with the other historical undefeated teams, and that was our driver!
It is there today!

Had Barker beaten us then it would have been a 3 way tie, Barker, Aloys and Waves in 1979.

As you have pointed out the CAS school forum has recorded exactly who won in that year, and the same comp remains today, it has never changed since 1943 when Waverley was the last school inducted into the CAS!

When you say "in the draw" that doesn't mean the comp, we also had a draw against many GPS schools, but that didn't count, nor should it!
The fact that Barker didn't play Pius means to me that it didn't matter re the comp, so there was no need to re-schedule it, which I think is logical.

If this is all about who had the best team, then there were clearly 2, and 1 winner!

 

[red son]

Hi White line fever

This is not about who was the best team. To me it is about recording what actually happened.

I concede that your interpretation has validity. Agree that being part of the draw doesn't mean that SPC and SPX were part of the comp. Although officially there was no comp. (CAS rugby website right at the bottom of the page of past winners it says "1942 to 1988 no official competition".) But we all knew who had won!

SPC and SPX for those years were always included in a very formal way. This stopped after 1983 and CAS went back to 5 rounds instead of 7. The GPS schools we played could vary from year to year.

The point I am making is that SPC and SPX were intertwined during the time that CAS was playing its comp. They were not add on games before or after the CAS comp.

By the way the games against Qld schools were in addition to the games against SPC and SPX not instead. Aloys and Waverley both played SPC and SPX in 1979. And St Pats beat Waverley that year.

Apart from that one game in 1979 when Barker didn't play SPX (scheduled but not played - washed out?). All the CAS schools in those years played SPC and SPX every year as part of the 7 round draw. I can give you the dates, scores and venues if you like.

To repeat my point. This is not about who won. It is about the fact that SPC and SPX were part of the CAS "rugby programme" for those years (Not my description by the way). Again not saying they were CAS schools.

 

[White line fever]

Red Son, OK!

 

[Harv]

I was at Pats. I always thought '78 was the only time Pats and Pius were "invited" -- the fact we both had the best records, apparently with Knox,
didn't sit too well. The last game of the year was between Pats and Pius -- we both understood at the time, it was 'the decider' -- ended in a draw. Ya mongrels Pius -- and I still owe their fullback and breakaway an uppercut each. Not that I'm bitter ... The years before '78 we played "trials" against CAS and a few GPS sides and a brief TCS comp with some of the same suspects that now make up ISA as well as St Leos.

 

[richard powell]

I was at Pats. I always thought '78 was the only time Pats and Pius were "invited" -- the fact we both had the best records, apparently with Knox,
didn't sit too well. The last game of the year was between Pats and Pius -- we both understood at the time, it was 'the decider' -- ended in a draw. Ya mongrels Pius -- and I still owe their fullback and breakaway an uppercut each. Not that I'm bitter . The years before '78 we played "trials" against CAS and a few GPS sides and a brief TCS comp with some of the same suspects that now make up ISA as well as St Leos.

 

[richard powell]

just responding because i think it's interesting stuff . I can confirm in'78 that both St Pius and St pats were very good opposition.(lost to SPX and drew with St Pats) The next year St Pats were a quality side and we had a win and SPX were not that good in '79.
I suppose what is interesting is that there seems to be quite a variation of views of exactly what happened. I only joined this thread because I hope to read a few interesting views of a bygone time.

For me it was a naive time where we trained twice a week and turned up and did our best. Seems to me(via even this site) there is more exposure and ,therefore by default, more pressure on the current crop.

I would take '79 any time, carefree and no real genuine hate of the opposition.

 

[White line fever]

Yes Dick,

Gone are the days where a bit of training and lots of natural ability ruled the roost!

But it does depend how the schools and parents bring up their boys.

I have 2 now at Waverley and they play rugby and cricket in which ever season it is. They do not specialise in any 1 sport, they just do their best.
Some parents focus just on 1 sport and quite often they are not as good as those naturally gifted!
I think being an all rounder is best.

Maybe a group of us should catch up next year when Aloys play Waverley?

 

[richard powell]

i would think that would be great catch-up; needs to be done. Just a quick one mate on which you have made a great point. A mate of mine at Knox this year has a kid that has been asked to stand down on 1st X1 cricket duties so he can concentrate on his rugby. Mate seriously what a joke. Half the fun for school kids is having a "go" at a few sports, test themselves at different levels and come out the other side as more rounded people. No doubt some of these kids are very good Rugby players, I just hope we haven't set them up for the biggest fall. At least most of the guys around my time knew of our limitations which made us laugh a lot more. (gee i am glad there was no-one taking official tackle counts taken back in those days !)