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Conservatism and intelligence

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scarfman, Jun 22, 2012.

  1. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    What do you mean by prosperity?
  2. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    Do you think economic growth, without anything else, is enough for this?
  3. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    That old leading question.
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  4. Joe Mac Arch Winning (36)

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    What do you think is the best path to prosperity for society?
  5. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    There is no "ONE" path. It requires balance.
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  6. Joe Mac Arch Winning (36)

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    And if you were to make a list of the most important factors in acheiving prosperity for all. What do you think would be at the top of the list?
  7. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    Fairness, and a reliable legal system to ensure it.
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  8. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Base word is prosper which means: To be fortunate or successful, especially in terms of one's finances; thrive.

    What is it that you mean by prosperity?
  9. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    Synonyms:
    thrive - flourish - succeed
  10. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    To be happy. That is what it all comes down to.
  11. Joe Mac Arch Winning (36)

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    Agreed a reliable legal system is essential for a society to provide "fairness", but would you say that was the most important thing in helping people "thrive, flourish, succeed."

    And when you talk about fairness do you think fairness is giving the most possible to everyone, or taking from those with the most to give to those with the least?
  12. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Fairness = equality of opportunity

    Fairness does not equal equality of result. That is 'reverse fairness'!
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  13. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    a) Yes - Equal protection of Law is cornerstone of fair society.

    b) Neither of those. A fair society benefits everyone equally.
  14. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    And do you agree that all the other things, fairness, equality, legal system etc should work so as to maximise happiness?
  15. Schadenfreude John Solomon (38)

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    No - That would just give everyone heroin.
  16. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Yes, but again my definition of equality might differ from yours.
  17. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    What do you mean by happiness?
  18. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Get to the point please. My definition of happiness is the same as everyone else's.
  19. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    Scotty there are academics who argue about what happiness is and how to measure it so it's not an unreasonable question. It's actually something that is worth thinking about as well.
  20. Cutter Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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    The point I'm getting to is that economic growth isn't, alone, a rational goal. Joe Mac wants us to push towards prosperity but won't commit to what that means. You said its all about happiness. Academics have mapped the relationship between economic growth and happiness and happiness does not increase as income rises. See here for the most recent paper on this http://www.pnas.org/content/107/52/22463.full.

    So, on that basis, what is the purpose of economic growth?

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