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Continued decline in Sydney Junior Rugby

Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by Quick Hands, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. Fat Cat Sydney Middleton (9)

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    can a director also act as a voting district or club member ?
  2. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    The NPF is a disgrace, I assume that the ARU think that this sneaky little device won't be as noticeable as the $200 team levy.

    We now have the surreal situation whereby the amateur/junior part of the game is subsidising the professional/elite part of the game.

    We all wait for the answer; what exactly do we get for this participation fee?
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  3. Fat Cat Sydney Middleton (9)

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    Its funny how Australian schools are a major part of the ARU's pathway to Gold yet do don't contribute with a participation fee.
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  4. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    Apparently some participants don't pay the participation fee:confused:
  5. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    If School players were forced to be registered and pay the Big New Tax NPF, some people may realise that they are already paying such via their clubs and complain that they are being taxed twice.

    The double accounting rort in the annual participation figures may get exposed for what it is.

    Do School Rugby Coaches need to be Smart Rugby qualified as per the mandatory ARU requirement for club rugby?
  6. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Don't know the technical answer but the practical answer is "absolutely": the liability implications of not having an accredited coach would be fairly clear irrespective of the question of causation.
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  7. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Yet many school games do not have other sensible (and in many cases mandated) game management protocols such as roping off the playing area, accredited Assistant Referees/Touch Judges, independent judiciaries, coaches outside the playing area, water runners/kicking tee runners/trainers not wearing readily identifiable clothing etc. The lower the age group, and the lower the grade within the age group, the more haphazard these measures seem to be.
  8. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Most of those things concern managing the game so that issues of behaviour do not arise.
    Frankly, someone who learns anything form smart rugby must have a limited background in the game: its little more than OH&S for the weekend.
    The schools have immediate and unequalled power to deal with bad behaviour and use them.
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  9. S'UP Bill Watson (15)

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    I attended a meeting where these protocols were discussed, there was a representative from schools there and before the presentation was 5 mins old they interjected and said "I want to make it very clear that schools will not be implementing any of these initiatives" to which the reply from the presenter was "yes, yes we know schools will do what they please" Come on ARU, NSW rugby actually I don't care anyone make some changes where we have one competition 6's to 15's everyone included, schools can still have their opens and 16's competition on Saturday.
  10. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    I know several young men that coached younger age groups for a variety of Schools,in their final year,or in their first years after School.
    Some were paid,some were not,but none of them had any qualifications ,and none were ever asked if they had them.
  11. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    But these issues rarely arise at school matches. In fact it would make an interesting study as to why some people manage to behave themselves at school matches, but carry on like yobbs at club matches.
  12. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    In fairness, those issues don't arise in schools, so there's no real need to fix something that ain't broken. Nor are photo identification and registration sheets needed, because their purpose is to identify the players - that problem doesn't arise in schools as students are already enrolled and known.
  13. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    They should, I know a number of schools which invite presenters along and run the smart rugby at school.
  14. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    And just to clarify, I don't believe that schools or juniors should be paying a participation fee.

    I'd suggest that the juniors need to get themselves out of the centralised registration process ASAP. In the past each club collected their own fees and had their own paper rego forms and clubs or districts looked after their own insurance. These matters were centralised to achieve savings, but now they're being used by the ARU as a revenue raising measure.
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  15. Man on the hill Alex Ross (28)

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    Obviously you have never enjoyed the company of the Waverly old boys at Death Valley!
  16. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    I have seen Waverley in action, and unfortunately it's not a pleasant experience. But when you see how the staff talk to referees and players, it's hardly surprising.
  17. HighPlainsDrifter Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Sadly , it (language and disrespect) was manifest at the schoolboy level at Waverley around 2004/2007, I think late in 2007 Bondi got trashed as well , Waverley basketball however were disciplined , respectful and pretty good as I remember.
  18. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Great summary, and could possibly sit in various threads that are running at the moment.
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  19. Gary Owen III Syd Malcolm (24)

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    If you do the sums this NPF is actually is the equivalent of nearly $500 per team. So a massive increase on last years $200 per team.

    The average increase to clubs on their 2014 costs is 400% (to some of the clubs it is 800% - and these tend to be the poorer clubs)

    At the same time the number of development officers in Sydney has halved - and they are basically on a user pays basis anyway.

    Value?
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  20. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    And the Hawker/Pulver apologists need to admit that Bill and Michael own the NPF and need to be held accountable for it.

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