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Drugs in sport

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Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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ASADA still farting around, seemingly not making a lot of progress with either Cross Country Volleyball, Mungoball or Danks (at least to the casual observer).

It looks like private enterprise will take the lead, with a number of the "innocent victims" taking civil action against the Sharkies (and Danks). At last reports, Danks had still not provided any documentation to the plaintiffs legal team.

Does he have something to hide?
 

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David Codey (61)
The blackest day in the history of sport in Australia had its first anniversary not long ago.
Harshest penalty so far?
James Hird paid a million bucks to have years holiday.

Big Bum,there is absolutely no chance at all,that Dank is in possession of any records that might assist in any action against him.....IMHO of course.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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So the news out today is that within the next couple of weeks, 57 players from Cronulla and Essendon (thought to be close to 20 Cronulla 2011 players and close to 40 Essendon 2012 players) will be sent show cause letters and eventually be banned for two years.
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Where is that previous minister who started all this public noise about this topic? I suspect that in the long run very little or nothing will be found. This will only damage ASADA
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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The previous Government seem to have bollocksed up the whole issue, notwithstanding that there appears to have been some serious action happening with the Bombers and Sharkies.

The whole process looks like it will unravel like a Central Coast or Hunter Valley MP (Moana Pasifika)'s career.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The previous Government seem to have bollocksed up the whole issue, notwithstanding that there appears to have been some serious action happening with the Bombers and Sharkies.

The whole process looks like it will unravel like a Central Coast or Hunter Valley MP (Moana Pasifika)'s career.
As predicted by many from the outset.
The sharks have had 2 seasons ruined and while I could not really care less about loig it's a no doubt stuffed a few careers which are fragile and short enough as it is.
Sometimes the old fashioned ways (investigate, prosecute, convict) work best.
Danks has several defamation actions on foot suggesting that he thinks the papers cannot prove the truth of what they wrote.
And the politicians still have heir jobs oblivious to the harm they caused by grandstanding, as ever.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Like watching Fawlty Towers:


If Sharks players admit they were 'doped and duped' during the supplements program in place at Cronulla during the 2011 season they will be receive a three-week playing ban following a deal offered by ASADA on Wednesday.
The 17 past and present players, all of whom have been offered the same deal, who were at the club will receive a 12-month sanction for doping, but will have their sentences back-dated to November 2013. They have until Friday to accept the deal, effectively a three week ban, or it will be off the table and they could face the mandatory two year punishment for use of prohibited substances.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10406518/Sharks-must-admit-to-being-doped-duped
You get more time for a second high tackle charge.

The Darkest Day in Australian Sport. Yeah Right! More like The Darkest Day in Australian Public Administration .
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
For those of us tuning into Utopia (8.30 Wednesdays ABC) this rings many bells.
We cannot prove anything but if we offer them very short (and substantially irrelevant penalties given their place on the table) we will get a few takers which will make the whole exercise look like something other than a complete cock up.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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I think the whole thing was handled very poorly at the beginning. The massive announcement of 'the blackest day in Australian sport' was ridiculous and over the top.

The fact that several clubs were basically treating their players as guinea pigs needed urgent attention though. One player has died of leukaemia and it is strongly thought that the peptides sped up that process (and it is unknown whether he would have possibly survived otherwise). Another player is suing their previous club for ongoing health issues caused by the drugs given to him.

The fact that they were using derivatives of banned substances (i.e. rather than using a banned substance that is produced naturally by the body, they're using a drug that isn't banned that makes the body produce more of the substance) made it very much a grey area. Certainly the history of drugs in sport is that the testers are always struggling to catch up with the cheats.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The fact that several clubs were basically treating their players as guinea pigs needed urgent attention though. One player has died of leukaemia and it is strongly thought that the peptides sped up that process (and it is unknown whether he would have possibly survived otherwise). Another player is suing their previous club for ongoing health issues caused by the drugs given to him.
Can you give me a link to anything out there on this bit?
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)

Cheers.
To be fair the experts who were prepared to comment did not think there was link between peptide use and the onset or return of the cancer.
That's beside the point: because these substances have not been around in their isolated and therefore concentrated state for very long their long term effect is unknown.
If we were meant to ingest peptides they'd be present at therapeutic levels in beer.
 

JSRF10

Dick Tooth (41)
Not sure about this whole NRL backdated ban nonsense. 3 game ban for drug cheating fairly explains why loig will always be a backwater sport. Whether people knowingly or unknowingly take banned substances they have to face the full consequences. All those involved should have had 2 year bans minimum, they're big boys and should be accountable for everything they injest.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Meanwhile the drug cheats at Essendon look set to get 6 month bans if they play ball with ASADA.
 

JSRF10

Dick Tooth (41)
It's ASADA not the NRL that are negotiating the 3 or 4 game bans.
Says a lot about their processes/proof to me.

I thought I'd read that once ASADA found them guilty or players entered guilty pleas that the governing body of the sport (in this case the NRL) would hand down the sentence, happy to be corrected on that as I can't find the article.
 

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Stirling Mortlock (74)
"Cronulla captain Paul Gallen is one of 10 current NRL players to accept an ASADA deal which would result in a 12-month ban, back-dated to November 2013 for their involvement in the supplements program at the club in 2011.

"The players, who are set to be immediately stood down by the NRL, agreed to the deal on Friday morning after receiving assurances from the World Anti-Doping Agency that the terms would not be appealed by the international body."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...oping-bans-20140822-10728y.html#ixzz3B5DwoCT3

Meanwhile on the AFL side of things:

"ASADA has tabled with AFL chief executive, Gillon McLachlan, a six-month sanction for Essendon players, on the condition they accept they took performance-enhancing substances in 2011-12.

"If Essendon wait until the Federal Court's Justice John Middleton brings down his decision in the club's case that a joint AFL/ASADA investigation was unlawful, the offer will be withdrawn.

"ASADA is willing to accept Essendon players were doped and duped and therefore qualify for a WADA "no significant fault" discount, taking the standard two-year ban for use of prohibited substances down to 12 months."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...month-bans-20140821-106qv2.html#ixzz3B5ElrrjA

The differences seem to be that whereas the NRL & Cronulla (the Club as opposed to the players who stalled for all they were worth right up until yesterday) pretty much went along with ASADA, Essendon chose to challenge the legality of ASADA's investigation; and that Essendon's offending was both more extensive & prolonged, several months v a few weeks in the case of Cronulla.
 
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