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Drugs in sport

Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by barbarian, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    If the Drug Cheats have been banned, backdated to November 2013, what happens to the points that the clubs have earned while they have been fielding Drug Cheats (since November 2013)?

    Melbourne Storm retrospectively lost 2 premierships for cheating the salary cap. Why is there no retrospective sanction being applied to the clubs that have been cheating with illegal stimulants?

    Mungoball goes into meltdown in their haste to chastise one of their idiots who gets filmed on the piss (in more ways than one) yet is strangely silent when 10 of their players admit to being Drug Cheats, after a lying and denying campaign that Lance Armstrong would be proud of.

    Seems like a good healthy set of double standards at the Mungoball Headquarters.

    Not only a Black Day for Public Administration in Australia, but a pretty ordinary Day for Sports Administration in Australia.
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  2. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    HJ,
    The only conclusion you can draw from the apparent leniency of the sentence is that ASADA think the prospects of securing a contested conviction are somewhere less than the prospects of Ricky Stuart winning a premiership with a team of his own making.
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  3. waiopehu oldboy Tim Horan (67)

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  4. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Players unknowingly took drugs, next we'll have Ben Johnson saying my coach gave me supplements and I didn't know - can I have the gold medal back.
  5. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Dave,it's not that black and white,otherwise ASADA wouldn't have folded like a cheap suit.
    Some of the peptides they took are still legal.
    Some of they peptides they took are now illegal,but were not when they took them.
    I have made the point before,if you ring ASADA today,and they tell you it is not banned,then they shouldn't be able to prosecute you retrospectively.
    How can an 18 yo be expected to know more about drug compounds than the testing agency?
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  6. TOCC Guest

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    The peptides the players were taking, specifically GHRP2/6 was and is illegal to have without a prescription, thus it is illegal.

    The predominant form of peptide administration in 2011-2012 was through subcutaneous injection(a small needle into the fat on the stomach) daily and sometimes twice daily. Today their are other means of administration, but that wasn't the case 2 years ago.

    The only part which isn't clear cut is ASADA's inability to test for peptides, at the time of the scandal only two laboratories in the world could test for Peptides, nether of which were based in Australia. This is why the investigation has been so obscure, there is evidence the playing group took peptides but specifically identifying players who had taken it is a different story.


    Unless the players were tricked into injecting themselves then I find it hard to sympathise with this theory they are just collateral damage.
  7. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Do you allow for the fact that trained and qualified medical staff employed by the club (which also employed them) might have told them that what was being injected was legal (or not illegal)?
    ASADA seems to have accepted that proposition, I think.
  8. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    There gave been 2 drugs quoted extensively over this debacle.
    CJC-1295 & GHRP-6.
    No one has a fucking clue who took what,that's why they have been slapped with a wet lettuce.
    CJC was not specifically barred,so I support anyone being retrospectively charged.
    GHRP is different,and if ASADA were competent enough to prove its use,then those guilty definitely deserve time out.
  9. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Is there a "not" missing?
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  10. Train Without a Station Steve Williams (59)

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    That's a cop out IS. It's an athletes responsibility to ensure they are using only legal substances.

    If a 16 year old gymnast can get a ban for taking sudafed given to her by her coach and a competitive weight lifter can be given a ban for failing to update his address with WADA then I've got fuck all sympathy for some 22 year old bloke whose had people fall over themselves for him since he was about 15, who felt the club medico saying "nah she'll be right mate" was good enough for him.
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  11. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Just further proof that I can't multi task!
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  12. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    I understand that it is strict liability.
    These issues go to the penalty imposed when there's a breach and there's no moral blameworthiness.
    I'm better educated than most league players and I did not know (a) there were such things as peptides and (b) they were good for your sporting performance.
    I accept that these blokes would have a fair inkling that they weren't being injected for nothing and what was being injected would be hoped to enhance performance.
    Don't be so sure about the "falling all over them since he was 15": the guidance offered is not necessarily top shelf. Would you want your 15 year old "mentored" by Ricky Stuart or Nate Myles or Todd Carney?
  13. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    I'm certain they thought they would enhance performance,but at the time they took them they were not on the ASADA banned list.
    How would people react if the speed limit on a local road was reduced from 60 to 40 today,and the Police reviewed their film in the past month and issued fines to anyone who travelled in excess of 40kmph in the past month?
  14. Train Without a Station Steve Williams (59)

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    I have more sympathy than many IS. If they had asked the club, been told that they were using a substance, checked with WADA and were told it was ok and then found out they had been mislead by the club and were being given something different to what they were told.

    I would feel they had a good case if that happened. Not many,likely including ASADA would due to the implications.

    I can't stand the way this has been conducted from the club and the players and criticism levelled at ASADA as some sort of incompetent organisation for taking 18 months. WADA had Lance Armstrong in their crosshairs for 20 years. It was widely rumoured he doped for over 10. That was the world body's number one target.

    Compared to that ASADA have been swift, efficient and quite merciful.
  15. Train Without a Station Steve Williams (59)

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    They weren't specifically on the banned list. But any substance with properties of an item on the banned list is considered banned also. This is to prevent chemist's tweaking banned substances to have slightly different chemical properties then saying "oh but it's not on the banned list".
  16. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    Can someone explain why their bans are backdated if they weren't suspended at all? Who backdates a ban where they weren't banned?
  17. waiopehu oldboy Tim Horan (67)

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  19. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    Because no one was actually going to get the prescribed punishment. ASADA had started a witch hunt they couldn't really finish. The NRL is too big to fail, and so compromise was reached.

    The pill pushers will lay low for a while and find better chemists, then get back into it.
  20. qwerty51 Jason Little (69)

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    Well the way I see it ASADA basically offered them a lenient as fuck ban so they would accept it. ASADA needed guilty pleas so it made their whole thing have a purpose. If the players had 1+ year bans on the cards I bet they'd fight it and ASADA could potentially be left with nothing.
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