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Drugs in sport

Discussion in 'Everything Else' started by barbarian, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    and that's precisely why I said: "It appears that not enough was done to quarantine the material obtained under coercion by the AFL from ASADA."
    They did not expressly give it up they merely failed to object.
    The interaction between the right to silence and the coercive power of a sport's governing body, where the latter has involved ASADA, is ripe for consideration at the highest judicial level: it may not get there on the facts of this case.
    It is a minefield for sportsmen.
  2. waiopehu oldboy Tim Horan (67)

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    Here's the way I see it:

    1. Hird & the players gave up their right to silence when they signed their AFL contracts.

    2. The ASADA Act required the AFL to share the results of any investigation with ASADA & AFL were within their rights to have ASADA present at their hearings.

    3. Hird & the players were represented at the hearings & made no objection.

    We can argue about the rights & wrongs of the law but IMO the law was followed & whereas not all laws are necessarily good laws, this one, again IMO, very much is.
  3. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    thats the problem not the solution
  4. Baldric Jim Clark (26)

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    This cracked me up.
    Hound and Inside Shoulder like this.
  5. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Very funny
  6. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Operation Cobra (the investigation behind the Blackest Day in Australian Sport) is set to strike on 31 March for the Essenden "supplements" programme.

  7. Baldric Jim Clark (26)

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    Two Collingwood players have failed a drug test. Traces of clenbuterol.
  8. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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  9. Highlander35 Paul McLean (56)

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    Rumors are that a St. Kilda player and a Carlton player will join Lachlan Keefe and Josh Thomas in being suspended for clenbuterol. Used to cut cocaine. All Queenslanders involved.

    ASADA making an announcement re: Appeal tomorrow at 11am. Because it's been ruled on insufficient evidence deal, it might have to go international very quickly.
  10. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    So what did the 50 Shades of Blackness in Sport actually achieve?
    • Huge Govt funding increase for ASADA
    • One loig kid done for peddling steroids to a couple of his mates
    • A Dozen or so Sharks bullied into confessing to be drug cheats in order to be lashed by a soggy lettuce leaf
    • James Hurd banned from coaching
    • Stephen Danks name besmirched but not charged with anything
    • A dozen or so social soccer players in Melbourne found out to be making a quid thanks to Asian betting syndicates
    Did I miss anything?

    I am considering KHunt and friends little adventures as wins for Campbell Newman's Crime Commission, not ASADA.

    Despite all the political grandstanding and increased public awareness of the consequences of taking PED and the ever present ASADA boogie man, AFL Dropkicks are still taking PED. How dumb are they?
  11. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    What an absolute farce this whole thing has turned out to be.
  12. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Dare I say it - as predicted many times a long time ago.
    The grandstanders in ASADA know who they are, too.
  13. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    What's most laughable about this whole affair is that the AFL have often presented this holier than thou attitude about a bunch of different things over the years and yet their house is clearly nowhere near in order. Their three strikes drugs policy is pretty ludicrous IMHO.
    Runner and I like to watch like this.
  14. Runner Nev Cottrell (35)

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    ASADA can still appeal the AFL Tribunal decision. But it is a shambles.

    To me all sports need to get a clear, across all the codes definition of what is in and what is out, what penalties there will be.

    There maybe 4 groups here
    1. legal recreational -- beer etc
    2.illegal recreational -- cocaine etc
    3. illegal performance ehnancing -- steroids etc
    4. legal but performance ehancing -- pain killer, caffine

    If the government wants some order it is easy. No funding till you comply.
  15. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    Clear lesson to be learned here.

    If you are going to run a large scale program of questionable supplementing, make sure your records are so poor that no one can tell what any of the players were injected with.
  16. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    The outcome makes the whole thing look ridiculous.

    The only thing that somewhat reconciles against that is that professional sporting teams were treating their players like guinea pigs and injecting them with unknown drugs with no clinical history.

    That needed to be stopped. It probably didn't need nearly as much fanfare.
  17. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    As someone I know said today, the Collingwood blokes will probably get off and probably Ryan Crowley too. The whole setup is ludicrous.
  18. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    Struggle to see how this is not defamatory:
    "Asked about his confidence that Essendon players received banned drugs, in light of a unanimous not-guilty verdict from a three-member tribunal, McDevitt said on Wednesday: "I still believe that's the case."

    My understanding is that ASADA could not prove that the substance was the banned version of the particular peptide because of the way it was labelled and invoiced.
    Some very shoddy work and loose thinking if that is the case: proving what they took, in the absence of positive test, would seem moderately fundamental to conducting the blackest day in Australian sport.
    Also makes me wonder how much those who determined that a breach had been committed know about the things they are supposed to be stopping players from using.
    And where are the grandstanding politicians now?
  19. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Ironically,that oxygen thief Kate Lundy retired last week on a pension of $135k pa.
  20. couldabeen Alfred Walker (16)

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    Tax Free!

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