Drugs in sport

[Inside Shoulder]

This:
"It is understood the products were not on the World Anti-Doping Agency's banned list at the time"

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/players-may-sue-cronulla-if-they-are-banned-for-drug-use-20130306-2flrd.html#ixzz2Mn5n6qD2


what's the problem?
this "deal" from the feds is a cynical attempt to get these poor buggers to plead to something that, as far as the evidence thus far revealed goes, was not illegal at the time.

 

[Torn Hammy]

The status of drugs changes all the time and notifications are posted on WADA and ASADA lists.

'I didn't know what was in the supplement' doesn't cut it in the real world. They are not supplements - they are drugs, and banned ones. It's the player's responsibility to monitor what goes into their bodies, not the doctor's nor the club's.

Apparently ASADA is offering a 6 month sanction and the Shark's lawyer is advising them to take the deal.

 

[I like to watch]

There are claims that Sharks players used peptides at a time when they were not banned.There are no urine or blood tests that these players have failed.
Why would the club solicitor be recommending they take a 6 month ban?
What am I missing?

 

[Torn Hammy]

There are claims that Sharks players used peptides at a time when they were not banned.There are no urine or blood tests that these players have failed.
Why would the club solicitor be recommending they take a 6 month ban?
What am I missing?

They have continued using them after they were banned (in 2012). I heard there is a whistle blower that confirms this and that the lawyer (who used to work for ASADA) thinks they would go for the mandatory 2 years if they don't do a deal.

 

[I like to watch]

No way fourteen guys get done on the word of one ex employee.There must be more evidence than just the word of a whistleblower.

 

[I like to watch]

Foxsports News are tipping the Sharks players to fall on their swords later today.
Wow!

 

[Torn Hammy]

Foxsports News are tipping the Sharks players to fall on their swords later today.
Wow!

Did they say how many? Six or fourteen?

So much for suing the ACC.

 

[I like to watch]

Pretty sure they did not mention numbers. I assumed it was the 14.
had it been only 6 there would have been more talk on the distinction between those players accused,and those that they expected to cave.
But what do I know,I was sure it was all a media beat up.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

They have continued using them after they were banned (in 2012).

Where is the evidence of that?
In this 1984 like approach of the ACC is that "minor detail" being suppressed (or merely not released) so that they cannot be accused of being soft? or is the real issue here that the drug testing used failed to detect either the drugs, the masking agents or the (I presume) elevated levels of hormone?
This has been handled in the most appalling amateurish witch hunt type way.
The public are dragged in to a widely known secret that elite footballers are taking peptides by a conspiratorial public airing.
We are invited to condemn the drug takers.
The only evidence in support of us condemning them suggests they were not illegal when taken.
If these keystone cops want to get us onside they should stop trying to win the media war and give us the facts - were they taken when they were banned?
Simple.
If they were give them 2 years for the reasons Torn Hammy cites.
Edit:
having listened to the audio form this article - i think my first guess is right: they have insufficient evidence to charge/convict these blokes and that's why they're offering the otherwise obviously lenient sentence.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-arms-with-former-trainer-20130306-2flrd.html

 

[mark_s]

Faaark, this could be tragic. losing 10 plus players for the whole season just hours befroe it starts. How does a club, which was already weak, recover from this?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Even if 14 players from the Sharks "go down" on self confessions, I fail to see how this represents the "Darkest Day in Australian Sport" as previously reported.

Believe it or not "Australian Sport" is a far bigger canvas than Mungoball and Cross Country Volleyball.

If there is evidence of wrong doing after the substances were banned, then throw the f&^king book at them, and fast, otherwise let the "clean" athletes and their fans get on with the Season without a cloud of suspician hanging over them.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Good to see some administration and support staff made accountable for the Sharks situation.

Too often these illicit activities are conducted with the tacit approval of club or team officials, with sufficient plausible deniability.

When one of their charges gets caught out cheating, the aforementioned club/team officials hang the "drugs cheat" out to dry.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Good to see some administration and support staff made accountable for the Sharks situation.

Too often these illicit activities are conducted with the tacit approval of club or team officials, with sufficient plausible deniability.

When one of their charges gets caught out cheating, the aforementioned club/team officials hang the "drugs cheat" out to dry.

I havent seen the evidence that the activities were "illicit" - where can I find that?
I hear, however, that 2 big names and 1 huge name in mungoball are about to take the walk of shame.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Inside Shoulder I heard a summary of the Sharks presser on ABC 702 on the drive home from the Salt Mines today. Several Club Admin, Operations and coaching/support staff have been terminated or stood down. No "evidence" per se but the investigation has identified that they either were complicit or "should have known".

My use of the word "illicit" is related to the more general Performance Enhancing Drugs in Sport issue (illicit activities) rather than specific to the Sharks situation. Plenty of evidence about Marion Jones illicit activities, Ben Johnson illicit activities etc. Plenty of speculation about East German athlete Illicit activities. If there was ever a case for sports coaching staff and administers to take a hit then East Germany must be the lead contender.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Inside Shoulder I heard a summary of the Sharks presser on ABC 702 on the drive home from the Salt Mines today. Several Club Admin, Operations and coaching/support staff have been terminated or stood down. No "evidence" per se but the investigation has identified that they either were complicit or "should have known".

My use of the word "illicit" is related to the more general Performance Enhancing Drugs in Sport issue (illicit activities) rather than specific to the Sharks situation. Plenty of evidence about Marion Jones illicit activities, Ben Johnson illicit activities etc. Plenty of speculation about East German athlete Illicit activities. If there was ever a case for sports coaching staff and administers to take a hit then East Germany must be the lead contender.

Ok - I've answered my own question:
This article explains why, though not specifically banned there may be a problem:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...stified-what-it-all-means-20130307-2fome.html

Frankly i think this could be the blackest time in Oz sport if this all comes to pass.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^
That article is a good find.

Mr Stephen Danks seems to be the (cross code) magnet here however it appears that athletes and others will end up paying the cost rather than what appears to be the common factor and catalyst.

Blackest day - Don't know yet.

Melbourne Storm Salary Cap cheating - 2 titles lost
Carlton Afl Club Salary cap cheating - banned from draft choices huge fines
Aust Cricket Under arm - never live that down
Americas Cup yacht sinking - embarrassing as hell
Fine Cotton substitution - first order cheating
Sharks (and other Stephen Danks associates found using PED) - ongoing

 

[GTPIH]

Here's another great article

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-could-lead-to-a-life-ban-20130308-2fqvh.html

 

[Inside Shoulder]

^^^
That article is a good find.

Mr Stephen Danks seems to be the (cross code) magnet here however it appears that athletes and others will end up paying the cost rather than what appears to be the common factor and catalyst.

Blackest day - Don't know yet.

Melbourne Storm Salary Cap cheating - 2 titles lost
Carlton Afl Club Salary cap cheating - banned from draft choices huge fines
Aust Cricket Under arm - never live that down
Americas Cup yacht sinking - embarrassing as hell
Fine Cotton substitution - first order cheating
Sharks (and other Stephen Danks associates found using PED) - ongoing

On news radio they were suggesting premierships would be stripped - so it's not just cronulla.
The story I heard involves undoubtedly banned substances and state of origin players.


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[Hugh Jarse]

Stripping QLD of SOO titles - Now I like the sound of that. About the only way that NSW mungoballers seem to be able to win.

Any evidence that Mr Danks consulted to the QLD SOO team?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

On news radio they were suggesting premierships would be stripped - so it's not just cronulla.
The story I heard involves undoubtedly banned substances and state of origin players, from 2 different sources, 1 an ex state of origin player.


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