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Election 2010

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Aussie D, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. chief John Solomon (38)

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    Abbott has exhibited immature behavior his old ways are certainly becoming more evident, he says Labor has lost its legitimacy to govern, he has effectively lost his legitimacy to lead the Liberal Party. This is just the start of his indiscipline which I think will show the public that Abbott is not fit to govern the country. Libs are going to need Turnbull to really fight back. Gillard will absolutely demolish Abbott when Parliament resumes next week. I for one can't wait to see it.
  2. Rob42 Ron Walden (29)

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    Much as I’d like to think Abbott is just behaving like a bull in a china shop, I don’t think he works without a strategy. He’s weathered the same type of criticism since becoming Opposition Leader, and yet brought the coalition to within a whisker of election victory.

    I think he’s trying to portray the government as weak and pandering to the independents, and himself as the strong one. Most likely, as others here have said, he and Julia will just flail at each other until Turnbull can come in, “rise above the petty squabbles”, and take that for which he has been anointed. But Tony could surprise us again…
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  3. Gnostic Mark Ella (57)

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    I think this is a bit of a furphy. The Election was pretty unwinnable for Labour if the Coalition had put forward a credible alternative leader. The Rudd/Jools government was very big on ideas but their implementation and management were worse than poor. This should really be seen as a failure by Abbott, no other Liberal leader in the history of Oz could have failed to win. This breach of contract by Abbott makes him even less electable now IMO.

    IMO I still think that both parties are very poor ATM and hence why we saw a swing to the minor parties and I am led to believe a record informal vote.
  4. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Then it's a crap strategy, at the time he made the agreement he was confident of gaining the independants support. now that he doesn't he wants to take his bat & ball & stop the game.
    Everytime he pokes his head up, Joolia will say his word & even his written agreements count for nothing.
    And she is right. I am not saying she is any better, but she has him on the rack forever now.
    for mine, the libs are nowhere until Malcolm returns.
    The Monk has cooked his own goose.
  5. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Disagree with that Gnostic. Nobody gave Abbot a chance when he took up the reins (me included). It's easy to forget how far behind the coalition were at the beginning of the year. The fact that he restored some credibility to the brand is a tribute to him. I'd still prefer Turnbull, but to say that the election was unloseable for the Libs is not accurate IMHO.
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  6. Bowside Peter Johnson (47)

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    I think he restored popularity to the brand rather than credibility. I saw the turnbull led libs as more credible, as they actually had a sensible conservative ideoligy, whereas Abbotts tactic was pretty much to just disagree with Labor and hope for the best.

    I think ultimatly the election result was the right one for Australia. While I'm not totally happy with jools, the current Libs were'nt ready to lead, and Abbott isnt PM material. What we have now is parliment that demands accountability, im happy with that and now I think they should stop bickering, rise above it and get on with the job.
  7. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I'd prefer Turnbull too, he's much more suitable for the job. However, they risked an election wipe out before Abbott took the leadership and the ALP would have had the mandate to do all sorts of other things that we might not agree with. Abbott in many ways has kept them honest.
  8. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    In the best traditions of Australian politics, Joolia has found a Liberal backbencher who is willing to put his personal interests ahead of the party that got him elected.
    He will pair with the speaker.
    The Monk will not be happy.
    serves him right, he should have kept his word.
  9. Aussie D Dick Tooth (41)

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    Haven't seen this reported yet. Who is it?

    I think those of you calling for Turnbull for leader have short memories as it was under his leadership that the LNP was looking at political oblivion. It was only after Abbott narrowly won the leadership ballot and opposed the government that the LNP's numbers picked up. I find it funny that the people saying he won't last the distance all come from the left side of the political spectrum whereas his supporters on the right back him to the hilt.
  10. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I think that's what I said more or less, Aussie D.
  11. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    He's reportedly rejected the overtures.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/lib...speaker-deadlock/story-e6frfkvr-1225928876797
  12. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    Earlier reports were that he had agreed, looks like he didn't have the bottle to go through with it.He has done the right thing by his party in the end.Would have been tempting though..an extra $100k pa apparently & no doubt his pension would have been considerably higher had he retired in that position.
    It would be amusing if both sides weren't trying to run a nation. There is no way this parliament will run the full term.
  13. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    Yeah it's farcical isn't it! I mean, we haven't even got a new parliament yet and it's a joke. Three years of this one would be a miracle.
  14. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    The farce continues....
    "THE Liberal backbencher Alex Somlyay has accused Tony Abbott's office of issuing a false statement in his name."
    report in the SMH confirms Somlyay intends to take the deputy speakers role.
    Looks like the extra $100k & bigger pension was too good to pass up.
  15. The_Brown_Hornet Michael Lynagh (62)

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    And yet, this has been reported

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/25/3021847.htm?section=justin

    Can someone please tell me what's going on with these bozos in Canberra?
  16. Sully John Eales (66)

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    Simple He got leaned on by some of the Liberal parties faceless Men.:lmao:
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  17. I like to watch Simon Poidevin (60)

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    jeez talk about a jellyback, he has flipped & flopped about 3 times.
    and he used to be the whip?
    I thought the whip was the enforcer in the party?
  18. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    I think the whip is what Tony used on this gimp.
  19. Bowside Peter Johnson (47)

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    Mirabella giving the Australian public reasons not to vote liberal on Q and A tonight. Its the reason I cant fathom voting liberal, alot of them are just arrogant ****s.

    While Oakshot can be annoying at times, he did churn out a couple of nice one liners tonight.
  20. Scotty David Codey (61)

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    Oakshott was much better than the two representing the major parties. Mirabella was shocking, and continually pushes past the line of reasonable debate. In other ways Conroy is just as poor, as he answers questions with 'facts' that aren't really facts at all. He is happy to straight faced lie to win an argument.

    The most arrogant member of parliament is still Kevin Rudd though (and I assume you voted for him, Bowside). As I have said before he had the twice the arrogance of Keating with only half the intelligence.

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